Which Intel CPU?

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I think you're getting a little sensitive about this subject.

There's definitely a perceived opinion that Intel is more stable, there are media outlets who also feel this way, and since Ryzen is a relatively new platform, it is logical that Intel's 5 year old technology has most of its bugs worked out by now.

I'm asking for proof of your claims. Please provide it. And I mean a bug that I can go in the office tomorrow and reproduce. We are on a tech forum, not YouTube comment section. Be objective as best you can else the whole point of the forum is reduced vastly.

Edited September 22, 2019 by LogicalDrm

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

I'm asking for proof of your claims. Please provide it. And I mean a bug that I can go in the office tomorrow and reproduce. We are on a tech forum, not YouTube comment section. Be objective as best you can else the whole point of the forum is reduced vastly.

This is ridiculous. There's no need to prove one way or another, it is all opinion based on information available to us that is not quantified in any scientific way.

 

Your opinion that "intel is just as problematic as AMD" is just as much an assumption as mine is.

 

We can both pull up videos of people having problems with AMD (like this one) 

 

And it would satisfy neither of us. I made ALL of my posts with the preface of "my opinion" and "Generally speaking" and "mostly" because i can't prove it. 

 

But, neither can you.

Edited September 22, 2019 by LogicalDrm

[GoldenLag]

24 minutes ago, AhmedIlyas said:

So, I am looking for performance but also efficiency.

Performance for what tasks?

Efficiency in terms of what?

 

Both CPUs you proposed in the beginning of the thread kinda break what i call "rule 2" (not a rule on the forum)

[TheNaitsyrk]

Okay, I don't know what you'll use it for. If you just want cores to flex or whatnot.

 

If you want the 9980XE I'd get it. Overclock to 4.6Ghz and you're set. I will do what you want and more I'm pretty sure.

 

I stick with my 9900K just 'cause I want that every little extra FPS, and single core is still a bit better by about 10%.

 

 

[5x5]

11 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

This is ridiculous. There's no need to prove one way or another, it is all opinion based on information available to us that is not quantified in any scientific way.

 

Your opinion that "intel is just as problematic as AMD" is just as much an assumption as mine is.

 

We can both pull up videos of people having problems with AMD (like this one) 

 

And it would satisfy neither of us. I made ALL of my posts with the preface of "my opinion" and "Generally speaking" and "mostly" because i can't prove it. 

 

But, neither can you.

Here's the thing - if nobody can prove anything definitively, then that thing is bound to external variables which further complicates the situation. I've seen Jay's video. I can also state that all 3 of the Ryzen 3000 machines I've access to have not exhibited issues of the sort whilst my personal i7 has had its fair share of tuning needed. Hence why I stated that claiming Intel is more stable or AMD is more stable is a logical fallacy that you cannot guarantee. Hence why you can't say "generally this and that" because generally would assume the majority of users are facing a certain situation whereas that is clearly not the case. I cannot say i7s are generally buggy because that would be a lie. Same way I can't say AMD is generally unstable - that would also be a falsification.

 

10 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Okay, I don't know what you'll use it for. If you just want cores to flex or whatnot.

 

If you want the 9980XE I'd get it. Overclock to 4.6Ghz and you're set. I will do what you want and more I'm pretty sure.

 

I stick with my 9900K just 'cause I want that every little extra FPS, and single core is still a bit better by about 10%.

 

 

That is going to need a thermonuclear reactor to power and a chiller to cool

Edited September 22, 2019 by LogicalDrm

[Mister Woof]

8 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

Friendly note to all answering the thread. OP is asking for help on parameter set. Please be kind and respect those. You can, ofc, offer alternatives if you feel like it. But going after each other for differentiating opinions isn't the way we work here.

 

E: Also, try to stay on topic... I'd hate to have to remove posts.

Sorry man. I got defensive.

 

Not replying 5x5 anymore in this thread as its not helpful to the topic.

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Here's the thing - if nobody can prove anything definitively, then that thing is bound to external variables which further complicates the situation. I've seen Jay's video. I can also state that all 3 of the Ryzen 3000 machines I've access to have not exhibited issues of the sort whilst my personal i7 has had its fair share of tuning needed. Hence why I stated that claiming Intel is more stable or AMD is more stable is a logical fallacy that you cannot guarantee. Hence why you can't say "generally this and that" because generally would assume the majority of users are facing a certain situation whereas that is clearly not the case. I cannot say i7s are generally buggy because that would be a lie. Same way I can't say AMD is generally unstable - that would also be a falsification.

 

That is going to need a thermonuclear reactor to power and a chiller to cool

I cooled my 7980XE no problem. I don't know what cooling he has but my 1x 360mm and 240mm AIO Phoenixes from EK cooled it just fine. 

 

If he can afford that he can most likely afford decent cooling.

[Mister Woof]

OP if you can tell us what software applications you use, location, and budget, it can help with the suggestions.

[5x5]

Just now, TheNaitsyrk said:

I cooled my 7980XE no problem. I don't know what cooling he has but my 1x 360mm and 240mm AIO Phoenixes from EK cooled it just fine. 

 

If he can afford that he can most likely afford decent cooling.

Well, that's the thing. The 9980XE pushed that far would saturate a 360mm AIO - X299 isn't exactly that cool

[TheNaitsyrk]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Well, that's the thing. The 9980XE pushed that far would saturate a 360mm AIO - X299 isn't exactly that cool

I wouldn't call 360mm AIO a decent cooling. Air cooler would do better imo.

 

Like I said if he wants 9980XE he needs to provide cooling for it that's acceptable.

 

My one did fine with thermal toothpaste, that one is soldered.

[AhmedIlyas]

Hi again all - I appreciate the responses, truly do, even if it is a heated debate (pardon the pun on which CPU runs cooler...)

 

I am a senior software developer and run my own business as well as working for a major corp company. So my PC is used heavy duty... enterprise apps, VM's etc.. 

As for cooling, I wont do the water cooling thing (never have done it and really not sold on it) - probably just air and mostly because thats all I know

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, AhmedIlyas said:

Hi again all - I appreciate the responses, truly do, even if it is a heated debate (pardon the pun on which CPU runs cooler...)

 

I am a senior software developer and run my own business as well as working for a major corp company. So my PC is used heavy duty... enterprise apps, VM's etc.. 

As for cooling, I wont do the water cooling thing (never have done it and really not sold on it) - probably just air and mostly because thats all I know

Ah I see so at best your CPU will only see short bursts of full usage?

[Tagara]

32 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Jayztwocents just did a video about it, and i must say my experience with my Ryzen has been similar.

 

I feel like it's worth mentioning that he states that adapting new generations from both Intel and AMD has had their own issues. However, he points out AMD's problems has been worse.

 

But then again, I fully understand the desire to stay clear of a product you've had a bad experience with in the past for sure.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Tagara said:

 

I feel like it's worth mentioning that he states that adapting new generations from both Intel and AMD has had their own issues. However, he points out AMD's problems has been worse.

 

But then again, I fully understand the desire to stay clear of a product you've had a bad experience with in the past for sure.

There's a benefit to sticking with a matured technology, such as Intel's 5 year old Skylake. Ryzen has only been with us a couple years and has implemented three generations since 2017; it's understandable there would be teething issues, but you can't deny they don't exist.

 

That said, if you don't mind doing some extra work yourself to tune it just right, the value proposition of AMD right now is unbeatable.

[GoldenLag]

55 minutes ago, AhmedIlyas said:

Hi again all - I appreciate the responses, truly do, even if it is a heated debate (pardon the pun on which CPU runs cooler...)

 

I am a senior software developer and run my own business as well as working for a major corp company. So my PC is used heavy duty... enterprise apps, VM's etc.. 

As for cooling, I wont do the water cooling thing (never have done it and really not sold on it) - probably just air and mostly because thats all I know

What apps?

Does it need ECC?

What sort of workload?

Is there rendering involved?

[AhmedIlyas]

Sorry for the delay in response as I was out of town.

Sometimes I do rendering but not an awful lot. No ECC required. 

[Harry Voyager]

So are we talking about software compilation, or computation intensive modeling? Are you working with databases extensively? Or are you transferring gigabytes of data around? 

 

You mention that you were out of town and disconnected. Depending on the applications you are running, you might consider an Ice Lake based ultrabook. The integrated graphic share solid, and while they are only quad cores, the performance per thread is apparently very good. You can take them anywhere, and if you get one with good Thunderbolt connectivity, you can essentially build a high performance docking station for it to make it more capable when you're not road-warrioring.

 

And, with a thunderbolt dock, you can hook it up to the best GPUs in the market for those times that you do need to do heavy rendering.

 

And sometimes it nice to be able to reserve a small conference room on the other side of the plant and vanish to work out a tricky problem... 

[AhmedIlyas]

What i meant by being out of town was... I was away for business

I need a desktop, period. Always has been the case

 

I do software compilation as well as computation intensive work and database work too. So everything including in between.