AMD Vega 64

[Clcare556]

I am building my first pc. I mostly play rainbow six seige on ps4 and have no experience as far as gaming computers. I have a nice case, and a ryzen 5 2600x so far.

 

My neighbor builds gaming computers and has a 2017 amd Vega 64 that he is willing to sell for $200 he said it ran on the warm side for his liking. He powers 3 monitors with his rig so maybe that has something to do with it? 

 

Is this a good deal? My monitor is a benq zowie 2411 in case that info helps. Also what do you recommend as far as motherboards? Thanks in advance. I look forward to learning! 

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

 

It's a pretty good deal for $200, but what's your power supply?

Just get one of the MSI B450 boards if you're trying to save money, but it's generally a bad idea to buy your PC in pieces.

[Tristerin]

2D output on the Vega for 3x 4k monitors would total all about 1% usage so the monitors wouldn't make it run warm - the fact its likely a reference blower design with huge stock voltages (as they are known for) is the reason it ran hot.  Look up how to undervolt them, to increase performance and reduce heat.

 

Id pick that up for $200 RIGHT NOW if I had the chance.

 

I recommend the ASRock B450 Pro 4 for budget mobo - I have one and am tickled pink with its performance and overclockability (5 or 6 fan headers, 2 diff RGB headers, 2 M.2 slots etc etc) I picked mine up for $64 I see them hit that price on sale fairly often.

[Clcare556]

Ok, so I haven't purchased a psu yet. I was looking at something fully modular and from my research the vega needs a big psu. 

 

@Tristerin I have seen some info about undervolting the card. I just want to make sure that it was still a good deal. 

 

I plan on finishing my build next month. I have been checking compatability on pc builder just to make sure that everything will fit. I'm sure that's not always the case but it at least puts my mind at ease. 

 

I was actually looking at an x570 just for possible future upgrade those are around $150 

 

Maybe an 850w psu (any reccomendations?)

 

I might also get another cooler for the ryzen 5 even though it comes with the stock upgraded unit. 

 

I could've probably gotten a better cpu but I can spend a little more if I go with the vega over a $700 gpu. 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

 

What's your budget/country for the PC?

Did you buy the 2600X recently and for how much?

Is the Vega 64 card a blower card or an aftermarket card?

[Clcare556]

I dont have a set budget and I am in the US. 

 

I got the ryzen. 5 2600x for $140

[Tristerin]

The system will need at minimum a good 450w PSU.  Vega 64 = 295w with no OCing, 2600x 95w with no OCing.  Then have to power the board and peripherals.

 

Id go 550 min myself

[Clcare556]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

What's your budget/country for the PC?

Did you buy the 2600X recently and for how much?

Is the Vega 64 card a blower card or an aftermarket card?

I have not seen the card yet I do know he bought it on release. I can see if he will send pictures but he is an older gentleman and doesnt text. 

[Tristerin]

Just now, Clcare556 said:

I have not seen the card yet I do know he bought it on release. I can see if he will send pictures but he is an older gentleman and doesnt text. 

Likely a blower then - still a great deal.  If you are willing you can even repaste with TG Kryonaut for a little help on the thermals as well.  Personally however I will warn you - I HATE blower style GPU's - but at that price Id still buy it.  Your saving around $80 for a relevant GPU.  But understands...blowers are loud lol.

[Clcare556]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Likely a blower then - still a great deal.  If you are willing you can even repaste with TG Kryonaut for a little help on the thermals as well.  Personally however I will warn you - I HATE blower style GPU's - but at that price Id still buy it.  Your saving around $80 for a relevant GPU.  But understands...blowers are loud lol.

Would I really be saving only $80? Is there a better option? I'm going to be building a pc for my significant other anyways we are both switching from ps4

[Streetguru]

9 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

I have not seen the card yet I do know he bought it on release. I can see if he will send pictures but he is an older gentleman and doesnt text. 

If you can add another $150 or so for the GPU, it might be worth getting the an RX 5700, but aftermarket cards sell out really fast right now. It's going to run cooler and be maybe 15-20% faster with a Bios flash which takes 5 minutes. And it has sweet upscaling tech to cheat out more fps if you upgrade to a 4k display

Otherwise Vega 64 is fine for even 1440p 144hz at high settings.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SAPPHIRE-PULSE-Radeon-RX-5700-DirectX-12-100417P8GL-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR6-PCI-Expres/293195975411?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

And I wouldn't really worry about a modular PSU or anything, an ATX case has plenty of room, and PSU pricing sucks right now
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rdrjjy

Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Patriot VPN100 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $369.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-11 18:50 EDT-0400

[Clcare556]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

If you can add another $150 or so for the GPU, it might be worth getting the an RX 5700, but aftermarket cards sell out really fast right now. It's going to run cooler and be maybe 15-20% faster with a Bios flash which takes 5 minutes. And it has sweet upscaling tech to cheat out more fps if you upgrade to a 4k display

Otherwise Vega 64 is fine for even 1440p 144hz at high settings.
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rdrjjy

Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Patriot VPN100 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $369.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-11 18:50 EDT-0400

I was also looking at the 5700 but after a while everything is kind of hard to wrap your head around. Looking at benchmarks and model numbers can get confusing!

[dizmo]

Buy it. If you don't buy it, buy it and sell it to me.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

I was also looking at the 5700 but after a while everything is kind of hard to wrap your head around. Looking at benchmarks and model numbers can get confusing!

There's an ASrock model that's in stock, if the Vega 64 has a blower cooler I'd probably just go for the RX 5700.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kNQfrH/asrock-radeon-rx-5700-8-gb-challenger-d-oc-video-card-rx-5700-challenger-d-8g-oc
 

It's maybe 20% faster, but most of the benefit IMO is from the upscaling tech, assuming again that you upgrade to a 4k display sometime.
 

 

[Clcare556]

This makes sense. I will see if I can get my hands on it and I'll make the descision. It's probably just fine for what I need. 

[Turtle Rig]

4 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

This makes sense. I will see if I can get my hands on it and I'll make the descision. It's probably just fine for what I need. 

Yes also you will not have a bottleneck the 2600 is no slouch.  Grab the Vega without thinking about it twice... should run really nice on your system.

[Clcare556]

22 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes also you will not have a bottleneck the 2600 is no slouch.  Grab the Vega without thinking about it twice... should run really nice on your system.

I appreciate the feedback. I have read about it but it really helps getting all of your opinions! 

[Clcare556]

Ok, so I got a look at the card this morning. It is an msi radeon vega 64 single blower type card.

[Zando_]

13 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

Ok, so I got a look at the card this morning. It is an msi radeon vega 64 single blower type card.

Those are eh, not as bad as Gigabyte cards but not amazing. Still a Vega 64 though, and if you either undervolt or get your hands on a better cooler (there's aftermarket air coolers, AIO mounts, and custom waterblocks for them, that'll be on a reference PCB so compatibility should be a non-issue). Or you ramp the fans, my Vega FE did fine if I let it make some noise (stayed at 75C vs the 85C then throttle at stock). Vega FE is just a Vega 64 with more VRAM so they act the same, IDK how that MSI blower compares to the FE one though. 

[Clcare556]

7 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Those are eh, not as bad as Gigabyte cards but not amazing. Still a Vega 64 though, and if you either undervolt or get your hands on a better cooler (there's aftermarket air coolers, AIO mounts, and custom waterblocks for them, that'll be on a reference PCB so compatibility should be a non-issue). Or you ramp the fans, my Vega FE did fine if I let it make some noise (stayed at 75C vs the 85C then throttle at stock). Vega FE is just a Vega 64 with more VRAM so they act the same, IDK how that MSI blower compares to the FE one though. 

So do you think it would be worth it to spend another $200 and get a 5700x? If not what are some good options. 

[Zando_]

5 hours ago, Clcare556 said:

So do you think it would be worth it to spend another $200 and get a 5700x? If not what are some good options. 

That's a pretty hefty increase in price, would still be cheaper to get the Vega 64 and put an aftermarket cooler on it.

[Clcare556]

17 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

That's a pretty hefty increase in price, would still be cheaper to get the Vega 64 and put an aftermarket cooler on it.

What's a good aftermarket cooler everyone I see is like $180

[Zando_]

22 minutes ago, Clcare556 said:

What's a good aftermarket cooler everyone I see is like $180

Look for a Morpheus or Morpheus II, seem to be about $75.

[Clcare556]

9 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Look for a Morpheus or Morpheus II, seem to be about $75.

Thanks!