Building a dedicated server

[eVisper]

Would these parts be good for running a dedicated server that would be used for game servers such as Minecraft, Ark, FiveM, ect. I chose only two sticks of ram so in the future (if needed) I could get more ram without having to replace what it already had.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hggQjy

[BrinkGG]

12 minutes ago, eVisper said:

Would these parts be good for running a dedicated server that would be used for game servers such as Minecraft, Ark, FiveM, ect. I chose only two sticks of ram so in the future (if needed) I could get more ram without having to replace what it already had.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hggQjy

I very much would recommend getting a CPU, motherboard and memory that is designed for 24/7 use if you want to build a server. Used Xeon servers can be had for the same price with much better (and more ideal) performance for server use, even if you want a tower chassis. (check out the Dell T5600 on ebay)

[eVisper]

10 hours ago, BrinkGG said:

I very much would recommend getting a CPU, motherboard and memory that is designed for 24/7 use if you want to build a server. Used Xeon servers can be had for the same price with much better (and more ideal) performance for server use, even if you want a tower chassis. (check out the Dell T5600 on ebay)

I'm not too familiar with Xeon, or server computers in general. But two Xeon E5-2620 @2.0ghz and DDR3 ram with a lower clock speed just doesn't seem like it would out perform the parts I chose. Am I completely wrong and have no idea what I'm talking about?

[Velcade]

Get an older Xeon chip.  You'll be able to use more memory and they'll last longer.

 

A E5-2670v2 performs as good as a 2600x at half the cost.

[eVisper]

7 hours ago, Velcade said:

Get an older Xeon chip.  You'll be able to use more memory and they'll last longer.

 

A E5-2670v2 performs as good as a 2600x at half the cost.

I'm finding them used for 150-250 on ebay, am I looking in the wrong place? And if I got that wouldn't I need to get more memory because DDR3 isn't as good and the clock speed would be slower? And wouldn't larger amounts of DDR3 ram is more expensive for the same performance as the DDR4 with a lower amount.

[Salacious B Crum]

On 8/14/2019 at 4:41 PM, eVisper said:

Would these parts be good for running a dedicated server that would be used for game servers such as Minecraft, Ark, FiveM, ect. I chose only two sticks of ram so in the future (if needed) I could get more ram without having to replace what it already had.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hggQjy

Those parts will work fine I have my first of 2 unRAID servers running on an I7 6700 for the last couple years now and running flawlessly you did not mention how many drives you were thinking but I do recommend a UPS for your system and the amount of ram is overkill for just NAS duties but guess more is better specially if you plan on running VM's docker and numerous apps remember that the 2600X has no IGPU so you will need a GPU to setup then you can go headless if I'm not mistaken

[GimmeGaming]

Your system would be fine, I would just change your ram for ecc memory. When I was running standard hardware as a server, the only issue I ever had was with non ecc ram for 24/7 use it would cause crashing every few weeks.

I switched to ecc ram and a xeon cpu (going from i7 to xeon wouldn't have made a difference as they were effectively the same cpu) and it worked without issue for years even on other desktop components (not many standard desktop parts supported ecc, luckily my board of the time did).

Ryzen should be fine for light server usuage but you will find benefit to running ecc ram.

[Kered124]

5 hours ago, GimmeGaming said:

Ryzen should be fine for light server usuage but you will find benefit to running ecc ram.

From the reading I did, that processor doesn't support ECC ram. That system will be fine, and perform very well if you're more comfortable buying new hardware.

On the other hand, there is something to be said about old server gear and its performance per dollar. 

If you want something solid and cheap, this may be an option for you. https://ebay.to/307ImOE

[GimmeGaming]

53 minutes ago, Kered124 said:

From the reading I did, that processor doesn't support ECC ram. That system will be fine, and perform very well if you're more comfortable buying new hardware.

On the other hand, there is something to be said about old server gear and its performance per dollar. 

If you want something solid and cheap, this may be an option for you. https://ebay.to/307ImOE

It will be dependent on the motherboard whether ryzen supports ecc ram. All ryzen cpu's support ecc if I'm not mistaken?

From a quick look at x470 and b450 boards from gigabyte, its officially supported by x470 boards for ryzen.

[m777y]

2600x run little hot (95 tdp).concern if running 24/7

suggest use after market cooler

CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($48.99 @ Amazon) 

[Kered124]

1 hour ago, GimmeGaming said:

It will be dependent on the motherboard whether ryzen supports ecc ram. All ryzen cpu's support ecc if I'm not mistaken?

 

[Kered124]

So that's super weird... The 2600 supports ECC, but the newer 3600 doesn't...  Alright, yeah, throw some ECC at it with a mobo that supports ECC.

[Kered124]

1 hour ago, m777y said:

2600x run little hot (95 tdp).concern if running 24/7

suggest use after market cooler

CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($48.99 @ Amazon) 

From what I have seen the Wraith coolers that come with the processors are usually just fine. I doubt he will run the machine hard enough for long enough to justify an aftermarket cooler with the proposed workload.

[Jarsky]

8 hours ago, GimmeGaming said:

When I was running standard hardware as a server, the only issue I ever had was with non ecc ram for 24/7 use it would cause crashing every few weeks.

Then you had faulty memory, or were running it at a clock speed (e.g XMP enabled) that was unstable. ECC will not protect you against either of those conditions, it only corrects bit flip which are about 1x10^12 at least. 

 

Yes older Xeon's will give more cores for multithreaded work loads, like map generation for Minecraft for example, but it also uses far more power. 

I'd probably just stick with your Ryzen build, it looks just fine for a game server. 

 

I'd also just stick with the Wraith cooler to start with, unless you're finding it to noisy or the server is in an environment where its getting hotter than ideal. Really that depends on where the server is going, airflow & ambient temperature. 

[GimmeGaming]

17 hours ago, Jarsky said:

Then you had faulty memory, or were running it at a clock speed (e.g XMP enabled) that was unstable. ECC will not protect you against either of those conditions, it only corrects bit flip which are about 1x10^12 at least. 

 

Yes older Xeon's will give more cores for multithreaded work loads, like map generation for Minecraft for example, but it also uses far more power. 

I'd probably just stick with your Ryzen build, it looks just fine for a game server. 

 

I'd also just stick with the Wraith cooler to start with, unless you're finding it to noisy or the server is in an environment where its getting hotter than ideal. Really that depends on where the server is going, airflow & ambient temperature. 

It was not faulty ram, settings where manually configured and multiple types of ram were purchased / tested. If was only resolved by switching to ecc ram.

One of my db servers would always crash within a month or so (A lot of data loaded to ram permanently (4 sql instances, an oracle dlp db and a couple mysql db's).

[GimmeGaming]

18 hours ago, Kered124 said:

 

 

I would be curious what site that is your linking to as I can't find any information on it on AMD's site. It would be strange to remove it when the 2600 supports it.

Amd says it works its just not offically supported which could be why that site says no:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_confirms_that_ryzen_supports_ecc_memory/1

[eVisper]

On 8/16/2019 at 3:02 AM, mrbilky said:

Those parts will work fine I have my first of 2 unRAID servers running on an I7 6700 for the last couple years now and running flawlessly you did not mention how many drives you were thinking but I do recommend a UPS for your system and the amount of ram is overkill for just NAS duties but guess more is better specially if you plan on running VM's docker and numerous apps remember that the 2600X has no IGPU so you will need a GPU to setup then you can go headless if I'm not mistaken

Yup, I have a spare GTX 760 im going to be putting in it.

[eVisper]

On 8/16/2019 at 11:18 AM, Kered124 said:

From the reading I did, that processor doesn't support ECC ram. That system will be fine, and perform very well if you're more comfortable buying new hardware.

On the other hand, there is something to be said about old server gear and its performance per dollar. 

If you want something solid and cheap, this may be an option for you. https://ebay.to/307ImOE

Yea, I bought an R410 but some stuff started going wrong with it and I just don't know as much about it as i do regular hard ware. I've googled a lot and asked questions but nothing was fixing it.

[eVisper]

On 8/16/2019 at 12:27 PM, m777y said:

2600x run little hot (95 tdp).concern if running 24/7

suggest use after market cooler

Ok, thank you

[eVisper]

On 8/16/2019 at 2:00 PM, Jarsky said:

Then you had faulty memory, or were running it at a clock speed (e.g XMP enabled) that was unstable. ECC will not protect you against either of those conditions, it only corrects bit flip which are about 1x10^12 at least. 

 

Yes older Xeon's will give more cores for multithreaded work loads, like map generation for Minecraft for example, but it also uses far more power. 

I'd probably just stick with your Ryzen build, it looks just fine for a game server. 

 

I'd also just stick with the Wraith cooler to start with, unless you're finding it to noisy or the server is in an environment where its getting hotter than ideal. Really that depends on where the server is going, airflow & ambient temperature. 

Ok, thank you.