Help with new PC build.

[Jinomi]

Hi!

So I am building new gaming PC. This is my first build ever. 

1. Budget & Location

My budget is around 1160€ (without monitor)

2. Aim

Mainly for gaming. Games like Shadow of Tomb Raider, Assasin, but also Overwatch etc...

I would like to overclock, but nothing hardcore. 

3. Monitors and peripherals

For monitor I'm thinking some 1440p. (I think with lower res. this build wouldn't make much sense). I have keyboard and mouse at home.
 

So I picked some parts. I already have some of those parts - SSD, RAM, CASE. I was kind of lucky with sales. For RTX 2070 I found one for 422€ on sale, thanks to RTX super realease. Is it actually worth it to buy Rtx 2070 at this price?

I can't choose motherboard and PSU. I was thinking something like Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE, but it might be overkill. And have no idea for PSU.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€207.90 @ Alternate
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	Purchased For €81.00
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For €72.40
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	€422.70
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For €85.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€869.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 09:46 CEST+0200

Can some one please help with choosing PSU and Motherboard?

I hope i provided enough information. I am totally open for changes and advices. 

[Akira Shimazu]

X570 aorus isnt overkill tho. i meant if you really want to cheap out you can go lower to X470 or B450. although since you can afford RTX i also assume you can afford the X570.

 

corsair Rmx 750W its good or Seasonic Focus Gold

[SupaKomputa]

Get any B450 motherboard and you'll be flying cliffs like a champ. Anything over $120 for motherboard for 3600 is overkill, you don't need it.

 

For that price a 2070 is okay, not great. If you waited a little longer you can have RX5700xt for the same price.

 

As for PSU, get Corsair VX550.

[Mr.Humble]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€207.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler	€59.90 @ Caseking
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	€128.90 @ ARLT
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	Purchased For €81.00
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For €72.40
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	€422.70
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For €85.00
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1149.80
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 10:20 CEST+0200

Hi,

 

here's the rest of the components you'll need.

 

Mind that the B450 motherboard either has to be updated by the manufacturer to accept Ryzen 3rd gen CPUs, or by your retailer. It does not have any BIOS flashback so if you can't find one that's been updated, look for TUF X570 and ditch the cooler.

 

The cooler is there because it's better than stock, but it's not necessary.

 

Corsair RMx 2018 is a fantastic line of quiet modular PSUs, and you will need to have as few cables as possible in that Meshify C case

[SupaKomputa]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

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I would just get a non modular PSU and put the money on a 2TB HDD for slave drive that is not on the list. Modular PSU is 2x regular.

[Mr.Humble]

4 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

I would just get a non modular PSU and put the money on a 2TB HDD for slave drive that is not on the list. Modular PSU is 2x regular.

The OP can do that with the cooler if he needs an HDD, and there really isn't a lot of space to stuff unused cables in that case. Plus it's a great PSU

[AvogadrosDog]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€207.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	€41.60 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	€104.84 @ Mindfactory
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	Purchased For €81.00
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For €72.40
Storage	Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	€66.40 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	€422.00
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For €85.00
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1173.14
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 10:39 CEST+0200

Just modifying a little what @Mr.Humble did. 

 

Like others said, you could wait for the 5700XT AIB models to come out and see how it compares against that RTX 2070 in terms of pricing but the RTX 2070 still isn't a bad card by no means.

[Stormseeker9]

@Jinomi

 

here you guy bud. Completed list. Pricing is from Germany - not sure on your location. This motherboard has USB flashback option so it’s easy to update bios to newest for support with  3rd gen ryzen. As we are under budget you could grab a slight better cpu cooler like   @Mr.Humble mentioned 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€207.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	€32.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	€104.84 @ Mindfactory
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	Purchased For €81.00
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For €72.40
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	€422.70
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For €85.00
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1099.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 10:45 CEST+0200

 

[SupaKomputa]

4 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

The OP can do that with the cooler if he needs an HDD, and there really isn't a lot of space to stuff unused cables in that case. Plus it's a great PSU

You're right, the cooler is just not required.

The PSU is also good investment, can go beyond this system like mine (5+ years). I just prefer more drive capacity than modularity.

[Jinomi]

20 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€207.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler	€59.90 @ Caseking
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	€128.90 @ ARLT
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	Purchased For €81.00
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For €72.40
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	€422.70
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For €85.00
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1149.80
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 10:20 CEST+0200

Hi,

 

here's the rest of the components you'll need.

 

Mind that the B450 motherboard either has to be updated by the manufacturer to accept Ryzen 3rd gen CPUs, or by your retailer. It does not have any BIOS flashback so if you can't find one that's been updated, look for TUF X570 and ditch the cooler.

 

The cooler is there because it's better than stock, but it's not necessary.

 

Corsair RMx 2018 is a fantastic line of quiet modular PSUs, and you will need to have as few cables as possible in that Meshify C case

Thanks, a lot. I wasn't sure about Corsair RMx Series RM650 before, now i think I'll go with that.

[Jinomi]

23 minutes ago, AvogadrosDog said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€207.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	€41.60 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	€104.84 @ Mindfactory
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	Purchased For €81.00
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For €72.40
Storage	Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	€66.40 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	€422.00
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For €85.00
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1173.14
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 10:39 CEST+0200

Just modifying a little what @Mr.Humble did. 

 

Like others said, you could wait for the 5700XT AIB models to come out and see how it compares against that RTX 2070 in terms of pricing but the RTX 2070 still isn't a bad card by no means.

Thanks for help. I just can't decide whether to buy RTX 2070 or wait for 5700XT. 

[Mr.Humble]

18 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

@Jinomi

 

here you guy bud. Completed list. Pricing is from Germany - not sure on your location. This motherboard has USB flashback option so it’s easy to update bios to newest for support with  3rd gen ryzen. As we are under budget you could grab a slight better cpu cooler like   @Mr.Humble mentioned 

CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	€32.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	€104.84 @ Mindfactory
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.90 @ Amazon Deutschland

 

I hadn't realized that the MSI B450 Tomahawk has BIOS flashback, but indeed it does. That means it's a better choice than the ASUS in case @Jinomi needs to update the BIOS before installation.

Just a side note, the RM550x is the same price as RM650x 

 

19 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

You're right, the cooler is just not required.

The PSU is also good investment, can go beyond this system like mine (5+ years). I just prefer more drive capacity than modularity.

It's not, for just gaming the stock Wraith Stealth is good enough, and honestly Ryzen 3rd gen doesn't overclock that well anyway. Depends on current needs and preference I guess - both the CPU cooler and HDD are things that can easily be picked up later as need and budget arises 

Never a good idea to cheap out on a PSU though.

 

10 minutes ago, Jinomi said:

Thanks for help. I just can't decide whether to buy RTX 2070 or wait for 5700XT. 

Honestly both look as excellent cards, so it's more a question of what monitor you want to pair with the GPU.

If you want a G-Sync monitor such as this Acer Predator, it will only have G-sync with Nvidia GPU.

 

Freesync monitors, like this other Acer, however, are often a bit cheaper, and can work with both (AFAIK) AMD and Nvidia GPUs.

 

However keep in mind that you will probably change the graphics card more frequently than the monitor.

 

All that being said 422€ for a 2070 is a good deal.

[Jinomi]

 

9 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

28 minutes ago, Jinomi said:

Thanks for help. I just can't decide whether to buy RTX 2070 or wait for 5700XT. 

Honestly both look as excellent cards, so it's more a question of what monitor you want to pair with the GPU.

If you want a G-Sync monitor such as this Acer Predator, it will only have G-sync with Nvidia GPU.

 

Freesync monitors, like this other Acer, however, are often a bit cheaper, and can work with both (AFAIK) AMD and Nvidia GPUs.

 

However keep in mind that you will probably change the graphics card more frequently than the monitor.

 

All that being said 422€ for a 2070 is a good deal.

 

So Freesync monitors are "better", because of the graphics card variety compatibility?

 

12 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

47 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

@Jinomi

 

here you guy bud. Completed list. Pricing is from Germany - not sure on your location. This motherboard has USB flashback option so it’s easy to update bios to newest for support with  3rd gen ryzen. As we are under budget you could grab a slight better cpu cooler like   @Mr.Humble mentioned 

CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	€32.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	€104.84 @ Mindfactory
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€92.90 @ Amazon Deutschland

 

I hadn't realized that the MSI B450 Tomahawk has BIOS flashback, but indeed it does. That means it's a better choice than the ASUS in case @Jinomi needs to update the BIOS before installation.

So B450 will be enough? Is there any other option, then MSI B450 Tomahawk (Don't want to by picky, but i don't like design )? 

[Stormseeker9]

38 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

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Just a side note, the RM550x is the same price as RM650x 

Never a good idea to cheap out on a PSU 

€99 vs €92 but yeah Sameish price haha

 

but strongly suggest grabbing the tomahawk for the OP’s use case 

[Stormseeker9]

21 minutes ago, Jinomi said:

 

 

So Freesync monitors are "better", because of the graphics card variety compatibility?

 

So B450 will be enough? Is there any other option, then MSI B450 Tomahawk (Don't want to by picky, but i don't like design )? 

B450 gaming pro carbon perhaps? One of the best B450 boards. Slightly more expensive but worth it IMO. There are also other b450 boards with flashback but don’t know them on top of my head 

[m777y]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€207.90 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€150.88 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€71.24 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital Green  120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€22.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€37.49 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC Video Card  (€575.37 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: KOLINK STRONGHOLD ATX Mid Tower Case  (€44.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€69.90 @ Caseking) 
Total: €1180.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 12:14 CEST+0200

[Stormseeker9]

7 minutes ago, m777y said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€207.90 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€150.88 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€71.24 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital Green  120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€22.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€37.49 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC Video Card  (€575.37 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: KOLINK STRONGHOLD ATX Mid Tower Case  (€44.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€69.90 @ Caseking) 
Total: €1180.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 12:14 CEST+0200

Would suggest at least a 500gb ssd. More longevity than small ones like 128gb. There is no direct need for a max board with the 3600. 

[m777y]

5 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Would suggest at least a 500gb ssd. More longevity than small ones like 128gb. There is no direct need for a max board with the 3600. 

i bet not all store want to update last bios for b450 chipset. easy way is going to b450 tomahawk max

just buy another one next time if storage going full,

simple like that

[Stormseeker9]

8 minutes ago, m777y said:

just buy another one next time if storage going full,

simple like that

No I mean the amount of read/writes. Small ssd’s have shorter lifespan than bigger ones. And personally I don’t see the need for hdd’s With ssd prices having come low

[m777y]

3 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

No I mean the amount of read/writes. Small ssd’s have shorter lifespan than bigger ones. And personally I don’t see the need for hdd’s With ssd prices having come low

gamer useless for ssd. ssd just for os + couple little software. main game storage better on hdd.

ssd worth just for profressional worker. 

 

[Stormseeker9]

2 hours ago, m777y said:

gamer useless for ssd. ssd just for os + couple little software. main game storage better on hdd.

ssd worth just for profressional worker. 

 

Your opinion. My opinion.

 

2 hours ago, m777y said:

i bet not all store want to update last bios for b450 chipset. easy way is going to b450 tomahawk max

just buy another one next time if storage going full,

simple like that

No need for a store to update. 

 

1. Mobo has USB flashback option 

2. Get a boot kit sent from amd for free (and return)

 

problem solved

[Mr.Humble]

2 hours ago, m777y said:

gamer useless for ssd. ssd just for os + couple little software. main game storage better on hdd.

ssd worth just for profressional worker. 

 

Nope. Just... nope. Not at all. 

 

And even if you were making an argument that some games don'T benefit from being stored on an SSD (and some do), look at the price/capacity proposition. Bigger SSDs are just plain better deal.

2 hours ago, Stormseeker9 said:

No I mean the amount of read/writes. Small ssd’s have shorter lifespan than bigger ones.

That's also a major concern with small SSDs. Sure, if you're building an office PC that will just have the OS and programs installed once there's no need to worry, but when you're swapping games in and out all the time it will start eating into the TBW limit.

 

Finally, game files are BIG. Metro Exodus itself has somewhere around 100GB

2 hours ago, Stormseeker9 said:

And personally I don’t see the need for hdd’s With ssd prices having come low

They're still pretty useful if you have a NAS connected to a Gigabit network where you don't benefit from SSD speed, for large media libraries, and for backups, although I have my backup set up to actually create on my second SSD and then move it to the HDD. Saves time ultimately.

3 hours ago, Stormseeker9 said:

€99 vs €92 but yeah Sameish price haha

 

but strongly suggest grabbing the tomahawk for the OP’s use case 

definitely the Tomahawk and B450 is good enough for that CPU.