New Build - Architecture School

[Istermister]

1. Budget & Location

 

Budget: USD $2300 Max - w/ monitor (x2)

Location: USA

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$483.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	NZXT Kraken M22 Liquid CPU Cooler	$69.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Asus PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$182.69 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$94.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$86.99 @ Adorama
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive	$136.78 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB TURBO Video Card
Case	NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Best Buy
Power Supply	Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$76.63 @ Amazon
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$99.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1331.94
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$1301.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-08 22:33 EDT-0400

 

2. Aim

 

Purpose of computer is for Architecture design, 3d modeling and rendering with some light gaming. Programs used range from Autocad, Sketchup, Rhino, Lumion, 3dmax, revit, other programs that have yet to be determined

 

Current computer was built in 2013 with the following specs

Intel i7-4770k

Asus Z87

Nividia Geforce GTX 960

16gb (x2 - 8gb ) Ballistix Ram

Seagate 4tb

250gb Samsung SSD - 840 series

 

3. Monitors

2 monitors - 1080 - between 27"-32"

 

4. Peripherals

Since my thoughts were to build a full new computer I would need mouse, keyboard, and monitors - haven't thought too much about monitors. Most likely will go with razer for the mouse and keyboard. 

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

Besides having two computers, one for studio and one for home, My current setup runs slow and lags when dealing with large 3d models. Making it difficult to continue working. Current computer will be left one when required to work remotely from a laptop. 

 

I am having difficulty though deciding if this would be the best build for my needs. Looking at the recent cpus from AMD it seems like there is a possible to switch processors though I have heard processing power is lost with compatible amd motherboards.

 

I appreciate any help before I pull the trigger this weekend and buy my components. 

If you have any recommendations on cleaning or speeding up my current set up I would appreciate that as well.

Thanks

 

Edit:  The schools requirements. I really didnt want to waste money buying a high end laptop when I could build something better for the same price.

 

[Jurrunio]

1. Why didnt you include monitors in the part list? PCPP includes them as well

 

2. NZXT M22 is a weak cooler, even among 120mm which is already known as the "small air cooler that looks better" category. 9900k's heat output is also high so if you want NZXT, X62 and X72 are the only options.

 

3. Asus Z390-A's power delivery is too weak for overclocking the 9900k, though I reckon the M22 will fall faster with CPU temperatures triggering thermal throttling before VRM overheating.

 

4. NZXT H500 case is not built for high heat output components as its airflow is subpar.

34 minutes ago, Istermister said:

Most likely will go with razer for the mouse and keyboard. 

Reliability is a big problem of Razer. Not saying everything that comes out are faulty, but there's a higher chance compared to other brands like Corsair and Logitech.

 

34 minutes ago, Istermister said:

I have heard processing power is lost with compatible amd motherboards.

No it's not, 3rd gen CPUs run at the same speed on X370 as on X570 as long as their power delivery system holds up, which in many cases isn't since old boards came when the most power hungry CPUs draw less power.

[TheBean]

wait... if this is for college, how are you gonna use it outside your room?

 

also, for CAD and stuff you need ram and GPU... that cpu is overkill and expensive.

get ryzen with 32gb ram instead. 

 

hoestly, thoes requirements that the school listed are pretty low. any new laptop with a dedicated gpu will work (can be had for about 800usd). if you really really want a desktop, get ryzen.

[Jurrunio]

Quite overkill for at least the first 2 years of education, some might say 4 years depending on complexity of your work

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler	$48.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard	$199.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$139.98 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$94.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$89.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card	$539.99 @ B&H
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$74.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Monitor	LG 29WK600-W 29.0" 2560x1080 75 Hz Monitor	$229.00 @ Amazon
Monitor	LG 29WK600-W 29.0" 2560x1080 75 Hz Monitor	$229.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2269.89
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2249.89
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-09 19:42 EDT-0400

 

11 minutes ago, Saksham said:

wait... if this is for college, how are you gonna use it outside your room?

remote access. Internet access is one of the few things that dont have any problems in college.

[TheBean]

18 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

remote access. Internet access is one of the few things that dont have any problems in college.

yea... true...

for the first 2.5 years you will have nothing even close to intensive for CAD etc. you will be fine with even a ryzen3700x for many many years. cad and other work like that doesnt need that much horsepower. 

 

also, @Jurrunio, you do not need x570. what is the point? x470 will work the same. 

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Saksham said:

also, @Jurrunio, you do not need x570. what is the point? x470 will work the same. 

X470 boards with BIOS flashback dont come in competitive price. Even good X470 boards without it cost like $180, so not even saving much money.

[realpetertdm]

2 hours ago, Istermister said:

1. Budget & Location

 

Budget: USD $2300 Max - w/ monitor (x2)

Location: USA

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$483.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	NZXT Kraken M22 Liquid CPU Cooler	$69.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Asus PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$182.69 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$94.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$86.99 @ Adorama
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive	$136.78 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB TURBO Video Card
Case	NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Best Buy
Power Supply	Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$76.63 @ Amazon
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$99.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1331.94
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$1301.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-08 22:33 EDT-0400

 

2. Aim

 

Purpose of computer is for Architecture design, 3d modeling and rendering with some light gaming. Programs used range from Autocad, Sketchup, Rhino, Lumion, 3dmax, revit, other programs that have yet to be determined

 

Current computer was built in 2013 with the following specs

Intel i7-4770k

Asus Z87

Nividia Geforce GTX 960

16gb (x2 - 8gb ) Ballistix Ram

Seagate 4tb

250gb Samsung SSD - 840 series

 

3. Monitors

2 monitors - 1080 - between 27"-32"

 

4. Peripherals

Since my thoughts were to build a full new computer I would need mouse, keyboard, and monitors - haven't thought too much about monitors. Most likely will go with razer for the mouse and keyboard. 

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

Besides having two computers, one for studio and one for home, My current setup runs slow and lags when dealing with large 3d models. Making it difficult to continue working. Current computer will be left one when required to work remotely from a laptop. 

 

I am having difficulty though deciding if this would be the best build for my needs. Looking at the recent cpus from AMD it seems like there is a possible to switch processors though I have heard processing power is lost with compatible amd motherboards.

 

I appreciate any help before I pull the trigger this weekend and buy my components. 

If you have any recommendations on cleaning or speeding up my current set up I would appreciate that as well.

Thanks

 

Edit:  The schools requirements. I really didnt want to waste money buying a high end laptop when I could build something better for the same price.

 

If you're doing rendering and modeing then why don't you go for a Ryzen 7/9?

[Istermister]

1 hour ago, Saksham said:

wait... if this is for college, how are you gonna use it outside your room?

 

also, for CAD and stuff you need ram and GPU... that cpu is overkill and expensive.

get ryzen with 32gb ram instead. 

 

hoestly, thoes requirements that the school listed are pretty low. any new laptop with a dedicated gpu will work (can be had for about 800usd). if you really really want a desktop, get ryzen.

Plan is to use teamviewer when not at home or school. 

 

From my experience, I feel like laptops are a waste of money because you can build something better for the same price. Those were the basic stats but if I was to build a new computer i was wanting to put more money and make something better than what I currently have. 

 

I believe CAD actually utilizes the CPU rather than the Graphics card.  

[Istermister]

What is the benefit of going with the new Ryzen 7/9 over intel 9th gen? 

[Istermister]

2 hours ago, Saksham said:

yea... true...

for the first 2.5 years you will have nothing even close to intensive for CAD etc. you will be fine with even a ryzen3700x for many many years. cad and other work like that doesnt need that much horsepower. 

 

also, @Jurrunio, you do not need x570. what is the point? x470 will work the same. 

I'll actually be starting my master's degree here in two weeks with addition of Industrial Design so I will jumping right in with intensive use. My plan was also to build something that I could use professionally once school is over. If i am going to build something I'd rather not waste money on lower end parts.

[brob]

 

3 minutes ago, Istermister said:

What is the benefit of going with the new Ryzen 7/9 over intel 9th gen? 

 

A 3900X will trounce the i9-9900K in most cpu rendering and other highly threaded tasks. Performance in single and lightly threaded tasks is about the same as the i9-9900K.

[TheBean]

20 minutes ago, Istermister said:

What is the benefit of going with the new Ryzen 7/9 over intel 9th gen? 

its faster for multi-threaded workstation stuff and its cheaper.

you get better upgrade path.

pcie4 if you get x570 (not that it matters much at all)

 

[Istermister]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Quite overkill for at least the first 2 years of education, some might say 4 years depending on complexity of your work

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler	$48.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard	$199.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$139.98 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$94.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$89.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card	$539.99 @ B&H
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$74.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan	$8.52 @ Amazon
Monitor	LG 29WK600-W 29.0" 2560x1080 75 Hz Monitor	$229.00 @ Amazon
Monitor	LG 29WK600-W 29.0" 2560x1080 75 Hz Monitor	$229.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2269.89
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2249.89
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-09 19:42 EDT-0400

 

remote access. Internet access is one of the few things that dont have any problems in college.

@jurrunio that seems like a wicked large cooling fan for the CPU. Does the CPU put off that much heat I'd need to upgrade from stock?

 

@saksham that seems like AMD would be better for my needs then. Thanks for that clarification 

[Jurrunio]

10 hours ago, Istermister said:

@jurrunio that seems like a wicked large cooling fan for the CPU. Does the CPU put off that much heat I'd need to upgrade from stock?

About 180w at worst. Not that hot, but Ryzen 3rd gen performance scales with temperature noticeably until 65C, of which it crawls slowly upwards until you reach dry ice overclocking temperatures. This is quite cheap for a big heatsink so I didnt think too much when picking it

[Istermister]

@Jurrunio  & @brob Looking online amazon and Best Buy both appear to be sold out.

 

How much of a performance would I loose if I went with a Ryzen 7 3700X? 

 

Do you think the additional cores and threads would provide that much additional benefit to the work I'l be using it for?

 

[brob]

1 minute ago, Istermister said:

@Jurrunio  & @brob Looking online amazon and Best Buy both appear to be sold out.

 

How much of a performance would I loose if I went with a Ryzen 7 3700X? 

 

Do you think the additional cores and threads would provide that much additional benefit to the work I'l be using it for?

 

 

The 3900X is a much more powerful cpu. I doubt it would contribute a great deal more than a 3700X for schoolwork, but only because school projects are not generally that demanding. A thesis / project OTH may be more demanding.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Istermister said:

@Jurrunio  & @brob Looking online amazon and Best Buy both appear to be sold out.

 

How much of a performance would I loose if I went with a Ryzen 7 3700X? 

 

Do you think the additional cores and threads would provide that much additional benefit to the work I'l be using it for?

 

From my exp in Solidworks, creating model is single thread work but calculations (fluid motion, stress on material) and rendering (camera flying around showing the model) can push all your threads to max.

 

Imo if you cant get a 3900x, you might as well cut cost to a 1700/1700x/1800x/2700/2700x, whichever's cheapest. After all 3900X's availability problem all stem from the fact that it's a new flagship for AMD and has the highest multicore performance of all consumer CPUs (Threadripper and Skylake-X are HEDT stuff, dont count). Once the 16 core 3950X comes, demand of the 12 core will drop and availability goes up, and you might get good deals on used ones.