Ryzen 5 3600 Build Checking

[themctipers]

I've been planning a whole platform upgrade for a while now and I think I've finalized the components, but I just want to do a quick check to make sure that what I'm buying actually makes sense with more people than just the immediate tech discords I am apart of

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$259.50 @ shopRBC
Motherboard	Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard	$219.00 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$159.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$638.49
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-04 18:50 EDT-0400

I don't really have a set budget, I just want to get something that makes sense right now and also will make sense in the future. I only need a new motherboard, CPU and RAM; I already have peripherals, monitor, GPU, case, etc. I only want to buy from these vendors in Canada:

 

CPU - I chose this because it's the most price/performance CPU that makes sense for me. I plan on pretty much only playing Minecraft, a game that doesn't utilize more than a core at once. I don't video render, I don't video edit, I pretty much only play Minecraft and some other older AAA games (Witcher 3, Hitman 2, GTA V, Cities Skylines, Metro 2033) on the side sometimes. I'll be using the stock cooler that comes with it because my current cooler doesn't support AM4.

 

Motherboard - I chose this because of VRM quality concerns when I want to upgrade in the future, and because this has a higher chance of supporting Zen2+. Right now I want to use a 3600, but in the future if I want to upgrade, I want to be able to slot in a 4900x or a 4950x. I could probably go for a Asrock B450 K4 (100$) and that'll do my 3600 just fine, but apparently VRMs on budget motherboards are bad, and won't do well with a upgrade. I could also go for a tomahawk (150$) and that'll be fine for a 3800x, but that only has a 128Mb BIOS, the max revisions don't exist in Canada yet. I can step up again to the X470 Prime Pro for 200$ and it has 256Mb BIOS but I might as well step all the way up for a X570 for only 50$ more. I need to update the BIOS anyways to support Zen2 which is either waiting a week for the bootkit from AMD, or paying CC 25$ to update it for me.

 

RAM - Cheapest 2x16 that is faster than 2133/2400. I have some concerns with running 2x16 because dual rank dual channel high capacity high speed on ryzen but oh well. I really want to be able to go for 64GB in the future. 32GB now is a requirement. 

 

 

I'm just mainly concerned with my motherboard choice and if it is sane. It feels very weird buying a 250$ motherboard with a 300$ CPU but I don't want to be locked into my 3600 choice in the future when I want to do a CPU upgrade again in the future like my 3770k.

[Tom H]

3200mhz ddr4 CL16 is about the price/performance sweet spot for the new ryzen. if you can squeeze out a little more budget to get that, the benchmarks say you will gain 3-5% just from ram alone vs that cheapo ddr4 3000mhz you have listed above.

 

I went with B450 MSI pro Carbon ACs on my 2 new ryzen systems and it is rock solid now since the version 18 bios. I would avoid the b450 Tomahawk as it still has bios gremlins. If you want to avoid flashing the bios (all B450's and x470s will require a bios update to support the new ryzen), I would just stick to x570 as it supports ryzen 3rd gen out of the box.

[themctipers]

18 minutes ago, Tom H said:

3200mhz ddr4 CL16 is about the price/performance sweet spot for the new ryzen. if you can squeeze out a little more budget to get that, the benchmarks say you will gain 3-5% just from ram alone vs that cheapo ddr4 3000mhz you have listed above.

 

I went with B450 MSI pro Carbon ACs on my 2 new ryzen systems and it is rock solid now since the version 18 bios. I would avoid the b450 Tomahawk as it still has bios gremlins. If you want to avoid flashing the bios (all B450's and x470s will require a bios update to support the new ryzen), I would just stick to x570 as it supports ryzen 3rd gen out of the box.

3600 is 60$ more over 3000 and it's c19 over my c16, I'm more concerned about even being able to hit 3000 because dual channel dual rank high capacity sticks are in use. afaik this makes it more difficult to clock higher and higher 

[Tom H]

you'll have no issues hitting 3000mhz with 3rd gen ryzen

 

I have gskill 3200mhz CL14 (samsung b-die) running at 3600mhz 16-16-16 1.35v on both my new ryzen systems

[paulmohr]

Minecraft needs 32gb of ram? I thought you could play that on a potato? What do you plan on doing in the future that you would need 64gb of ram and a 4900x? It certainly can't be playing minecraft lol. Are you going to design fighter jets and sequence dna?

[themctipers]

Just now, paulmohr said:

Minecraft needs 32gb of ram? I thought you could play that on a potato? What do you plan on doing in the future that you would need 64gb of ram and a 4900x? It certainly can't be playing minecraft lol. Are you going to design fighter jets and sequence dna?

Minecraft servers in the background, chrome, sometimes Minecraft + a actual game, I really don't have much needs as I say but my 3770k struggles to even hit 60fps and I've been gaming on my laptop 

I'm going to get 32gb regardless, I don't want to be ram limited ever again 

 

4900x in the future when the 3600 is as old as my 3770k and i need a better cpu. minecraft is what im doing right now but it isn't what ill be doing forever

the whole point of AM4 for me is to be able to upgrade higher in the future when I need it, to be able to get 64GB when I need it and to get a 12/16c when I need it, just because my requirements are basically a i3 8350k doesn't mean that I want to be stuck on Z270 and locked to ~9900k tier

[paulmohr]

I mean I get it, I have 32gb of ram but I know I will probably not need it. Maybe if I start doing stuff like I used to. I used to be a content creator in Second Life so it was pretty common for me to have SL open, blender running, Gimp running and a bunch of browser windows open all the same time. And even that workd with a 1500x and 16gb of ram. Actually for a while I think I was doing it on a bulldozer 4 core with 8gb of ram.

 

I was just looking at what you said you were using it for and the stuff you were getting didn't make total sense from a price to performance stand point. Most people want to spend as little as possible to get the most they can. And the new ryzens tend to like faster ram. I think Tom and I where both thinking you might be better off with less ram that is faster is all.

 

And for the record, I have the 450 tomahawk and it works perfectly fine for me.

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by paulmohr
typo, I said I would need 32gb of ram, I meant I probably won't need that much.

[themctipers]

Just now, paulmohr said:

I mean I get it, I have 32gb of ram but I know I will probably need it. Maybe if I start doing stuff like I used to. I used to be a content creator in Second Life so it was pretty common for me to have SL open, blender running, Gimp running and a bunch of browser windows open all the same time. And even that workd with a 1500x and 16gb of ram. Actually for a while I think I was doing it on a bulldozer 4 core with 8gb of ram.

 

I was just looking at what you said you were using it for and the stuff you were getting didn't make total sense from a price to performance stand point. Most people want to spend as little as possible to get the most they can. And the new ryzens tend to like faster ram. I think Tom and I where both thinking you might be better off with less ram that is faster is all.

 

And for the record, I have the 450 tomahawk and it works perfectly fine for me.

 

 

 

to me nothing really makes sense for price/perf because I am looking at the higher end stuff anyways because I want to be able to go there later on. It makes a lot more sense if I went for the 100$ K4 and then probably 2x8 3600/19

I want to have the max price/perf, but the thing is that when you have pretty much no set budget, and you want to be able to drop in a higher end CPU/RAM, it doesn't make sense now but it'll make sense later maybe.. I really don't want to lock myself to a 3600 / 3700x max alongside 32GB max just to save ~100$ on the motherboard side and ~80$ on the RAM side because it's not as economical to get a whole new platform when I need more CPU 

 

Isn't 3600/19 slightly slower than 3000/16? I know infinity fabric is tied to the ramspeed, but with zen2 I could just independently overclock that and on both sides I can tighten down the RAM a bit, but wouldn't I get lower latency with 3000/15 over 3600/18?

[paulmohr]

To be perfectly honest for most stuff ram speed isn't going to do much you will notice anyway. Its just that new ryzens tend to perform slightly better with faster ram is all. Better enough to warrant the price? Probably not in anything I do that is for sure lol. When I did mine I got 32gb of 3200 ram. Ripjaws I think is what I got, I can't even tell you want the timings are lol. It cost me 150 bucks for a 2x16 kit at micro center.

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, paulmohr said:

To be perfectly honest for most stuff ram speed isn't going to do much you will notice anyway. Its just that new ryzens tend to perform slightly better with faster ram is all. Better enough to warrant the price? Probably not in anything I do that is for sure lol. When I did mine I got 32gb of 3200 ram. Ripjaws I think is what I got, I can't even tell you want the timings are lol. It cost me 150 bucks for a 2x16 kit at micro center.

if I can get something that is better for slightly more then it's worth it to me, but this is a whole 60$ for primarily lows at hundreds of FPS.. I'm going to be gaming at 4k 60hz

I'll check with some other people about tightening down some RAM timings to see if 3000/16 can go down to 3000/15, assuming it's some random die and not micron e

[hello_there_123]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$259.50 @ shopRBC
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$124.99 @ PC-Canada
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$159.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$544.48
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-04 22:03 EDT-0400

 

1 hour ago, Tom H said:

3200mhz ddr4 CL16 is about the price/performance sweet spot for the new ryzen. if you can squeeze out a little more budget to get that, the benchmarks say you will gain 3-5% just from ram alone vs that cheapo ddr4 3000mhz you have listed above.

All I see is <2% difference, lol. And that's with b-die RAM. 

Ram speed above 3000mhz has ZERO noticeable effect on overall performance. See chart above. 

[themctipers]

2 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$259.50 @ shopRBC
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$124.99 @ PC-Canada
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$159.99 @ Newegg Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$544.48
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-04 22:03 EDT-0400

 

All I see is <2% difference, lol. And that's with b-die RAM. 

Ram speed above 3000mhz has ZERO noticeable effect on overall performance. See chart above. 

aren't most of the gains in the 0.1 and 1% lows? alongside multi core in CB because that's what IF runs at 

either way I was leaning towards just 3000 over 3600 

[hello_there_123]

3 minutes ago, themctipers said:

aren't most of the gains in the 0.1 and 1% lows? alongside multi core in CB because that's what IF runs at 

either way I was leaning towards just 3000 over 3600 

too lazy to find benchmarks of 3000mhz vs 3200mhz etc. but if this is the case for 3200mhz vs 3600mhz i'm guessing it'll prob be similar for 3000mhz.

[tech.guru]

have you considered, this motherboard its on sale with mail in rebate

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813157884?Description=x570&cm_re=x570-_-13-157-884-_-Product

 

heres a review of it

 

 

[themctipers]

21 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

too lazy to find benchmarks of 3000mhz vs 3200mhz etc. but if this is the case for 3200mhz vs 3600mhz i'm guessing it'll prob be similar for 3000mhz.

yea thanks, 3000 is all I need 

17 minutes ago, tech.guru said:

have you considered, this motherboard its on sale with mail in rebate

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813157884?Description=x570&cm_re=x570-_-13-157-884-_-Product

nice find

[tech.guru]

the budget board that has the highest review is,

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144262

 

if your not going for cheapest would pick that one

 

heres a review of its vrm

 

[Tom H]

14 hours ago, themctipers said:

aren't most of the gains in the 0.1 and 1% lows? alongside multi core in CB because that's what IF runs at 

either way I was leaning towards just 3000 over 3600 

Yes it isn't the avg frames per seconds that you will see the largest gains, but most gains from ram are definitely in the 1% lows which means going to 3200mhz will lead to a much smoother gaming experience in demanding game titles. And as time goes on I expect this gap to get larger:

 

For example: 

 

 

[SpiralTTGL]

15 hours ago, paulmohr said:

Minecraft needs 32gb of ram? I thought you could play that on a potato? What do you plan on doing in the future that you would need 64gb of ram and a 4900x? It certainly can't be playing minecraft lol. Are you going to design fighter jets and sequence dna?

anything after 1.9 uses a significantly more amount of ram because of how they changed how assets and other things work current packs use on avg 8gb min and can go up to 20+ its PLAYABLE at less ram then 8 but over time and when you actually start setting up a base your game will start studdering because ram limit reached more ram lets you stay in game longer since there are leaks in how world gen loads when teleporting to other dimensions