Build Upgrade

[Mene]

Hello everyone hope you all doing well,

 

So i have been in to gaming for most of my life and most of my machines were build by some one else so my building experience is low i will probably find out how low soon enough

 

So the first and current build i myself put together is this.

Gigabyte z77X-UD5H Motherboard

Intel I5-3570k at 4.something GHZ CPU
Corsair XMS 2x8 DDR3-1333 Ram
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 GPU
Samsung 860 Evo and Kingston HyperX Savage SSD
Corsair CX500 PSU

 

Im not much of a super Ultra quality gamer at 4k and all that jazz, i like my 1080p high FPS at 144hz and im happy with it so this has been enough for a while, i never go in to Ultra setting for FPS games, anytime i go near those settings its for MMO's or some RPG's,

Just recently iv been noticing my CPU going in to the 90-100% usage on something like Apex legends which i think shouldn't be the case, another thing i wanted to do is some casual streaming every now and again and at that point, things start stuttering and it doesn't look as smooth as id wan't it to look.

 

So my smart mind decided that its time for a small upgrade... obviously not thinking that to do an upgrade, i need to replace everything bar the SSD's, GPU and PSU

 

And here comes my problem, i was thinking something like I7-7700K with a ASUS Strix Z270E, but that has been superseded by the I7-8600k and probably loads of other CPU's i have an option to buy the z270E and 7700K second hand for €400 as a set, the only thing i would need to find is RAM for it which shouldn't be an issue, but would i be wrong in thinking that by buying the Z270 ill be limiting myself to the 7700K ?? should i be going a little bit higher in specs to allow for more upgrades down the line ?

 

Another thing is my beloved 1070 that i purchased last year, should i be thinking at moving up with it also ? i feel like it is doing well atm what do people think ?

 

Here is another factor which is price, i was thinking of just letting this upgrade go for a while and looking at something else in a few months time and instead of spending like €600-700 right now to spend something like €1200 in say 10 months time ?

 

Or maybe stuff i have is ok for the moment maybe my CPU is not the problem and im just not seeing something properly ?

 

At the end of this i would like to be able do my 1080p 144hz gaming at ease with a possibility of not killing my PC by doing and odd stream here and there.

 

Any comments on how wrong i am are greatly appreciated ;D 

[Dedayog]

I'd look into: 

 

Ryzen 3600 (will be good for streaming as well)

MSI B450 Tomahawk

2x8GB kit of 3200MHz RAM

 

The 1070 is a good card and will let you skip this generation of GPUs.  

 

Don't buy into an older platform like that 7700K.  While still a solid gaming CPU, there are more options out now for less money and more performance for streaming, etc.

[5x5]

Look at Zen 2. It's the best option on the market currently.

[Mene]

15 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Ryzen 3600 (will be good for streaming as well)

MSI B450 Tomahawk

How am i looking upgrade wise if i do end up going towards this ? is it possible to move on from it lets say a year down the line ? or am i just fighting a lost battle here thinking i can keep the same Mobo for more than 2 years ?

[Dedayog]

Just now, Mene said:

How am i looking upgrade wise if i do end up going towards this ? is it possible to move on from it lets say a year down the line ? or am i just fighting a lost battle here thinking i can keep the same Mobo for more than 2 years ?

Huh?  This CPU will be good for 5+ years.  It's literally a month old.  Why would you want to swap it in a year?

 

You SHOULD be able to put the next release of Ryzen into that B450 board if you wanted to tho.

 

FYI, you're using a 7 year old CPU.  I don't see you being an annual upgrader

[Mene]

2 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

It's literally a month old

That is true i missed that part, looking at the price for some reason i didn't expect something that came out so recently to be below the 300 mark

[Mene]

8 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

FYI, you're using a 7 year old CPU.  I don't see you being an annual upgrader

I was never really a person to upgrade my PC pure out of the fact that its old  served me well till now, i guess it is true i wouldn't be upgrading it till it does start being an issue which hopefully won't be in the next to years so i might have been talking nonsense there  

[Dedayog]

Just now, Mene said:

I was never really a person to upgrade my PC pure out of the fact that its old  served me well till now, i guess it is true i wouldn't be upgrading it till it does start being an issue which hopefully won't be in the next to years so i might have been talking nonsense there  

Well when you DO finally upgrade, make sure you also look into the AMD offerings as they're a serious bang/buck CPU lineup. 

 

If the i5 is doing what you need it to (90-100% utilization is fine), enjoy it.  No worries.

[Mene]

Just looking price wise since i was hung up on the I7-7700K with a ASUS Strix Z270E for €400 second hand, seemed like a fair price since the 7700k is around €300 and the Z270E is around €200 new

 

But now compering it to the AMD's Ryzen 3600 for around €200 and MSI B450 Tomahawk would be looking at €100 seems to be a solid option. 

 

Its just surprising how the Ryzen 3600 seems to be very close or even outperforming the 7700k at a price difference like that, didn't really look at AMD CPU's but your right they seem to be booming atm.

16 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

If the i5 is doing what you need it to (90-100% utilization is fine), enjoy it.  No worries.

The only thing it seems to be struggling with is streaming which is why i'm looking at some sort of an upgrade.

 

Actually would it be possible that the problems i'm having could be cased more by the RAM than the CPU ?

 

And if i am looking at RAM options who should i be considering, my previous picks were generally either Kingston or Corsair that why i'm keen to look their way more than anywhere else, any recommendation ? or is it all the same ?

 

I do apologize i know its shite loads of questions that you are tired of answering  

 

Edit: but now again looking at it seems my RAM upgrade options aren't really wide with the current setup i''m sitting on.

[Dedayog]

The AMD 3600 is 2 generations beyond the 7700K, so it makes sense that it would be a better offering.  I get that AMD hasn't performed well in the past, but this new release package is seriously good stuff and comparable to Intel's current gen.

 

I'd say the CPU is your Streaming issue.  16GB of even DDR3 is fine for streaming, but your CPU is a slower 4c/4t.  The 3600 is a 6c/12t chip, lots of room for gaming and streaming.

 

If you wanted even more CPU power, the 3700X is 8c/16t and is the chip recommended for gaming and serious streaming.  The B450 Tomahawk supports this CPU as well.

 

Like I mentioned above, get 3200MHz DDR4 dual channel (meaning 2x8 for example) of G. Skill, Corsair, TeamGroup, or Kingston.  There are only 3 memory manufacturers, speed matters more than brand.

 

No worries, this is the place to ask, so ask anything no matter how seemingly small or dumb you may think it is.  Better to ask now then ask after.

[Mene]

So i had a little read in to it and does seem like this set up you advised might be a good call, should work for probably the next few years

 

The 3600 should be more than enough for my needs of gaming and it should hold its own in my streaming needs too and as you said the possibility of the 3700x is there if needed.

 

I went for the Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory seemed to be a good choice i think.

 

So i came up with this list, SSD's, PSU, GPU i all ready have, my case needs replacement pretty bad at this stage so i think the NZXT H500 looks like a good choice and i quite like the look of it, seems to be a really good price to performance case according to a lot of people, im a little stuck regarding the cooling..

 

I was thinking about the NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid cooling but im not 100% sure how the case will handle it, does any one have experience with this case ? does the two 140mm fan's airflow works its way out of the case ? seems to be fairly restricted out the front ? or am i wrong ?

 

Instead of it, i was thinking about the Cooler master Hyper 212 EVO which is the cheaper option or more expensive the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4.

 

I wanted to throw in another two Noctua NF 140mm fans to get a little bit of extra airflow if needed, would it be a good idea ? 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.95 @ Komplett) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler 
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€148.95 @ Komplett) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€115.47 @ Custompc) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€118.95 @ Komplett) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€117.69 @ Custompc) 
Storage: Kingston Savage 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For €0.00) 
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For €0.00) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB G1 Gaming Video Card  (Purchased For €0.00) 
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€108.39 @ Custompc) 
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For €0.00) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€37.94 @ Komplett) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€37.94 @ Komplett) 
Total: €914.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-03 20:58 IST+0100

 

Looking at this set up i can get it off amazon for about €600, which isn't too bad i think, does any one have experience in ordering pc parts off amazon ? i do get alot of stuff of it but never anything bigger or more expensive like PC parts.

 

On 8/2/2019 at 3:30 PM, jstudrawa said:

No worries, this is the place to ask, so ask anything no matter how seemingly small or dumb you may think it is.  Better to ask now then ask after.

Thank you that is good to know, i just know myself to be a repetitive sometimes XD

 

[LienusLateTips]

5 minutes ago, Mene said:

-snip-

1. Change out the PSU.

2. Why do you have 3 CPU coolers?

[Mene]

3 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

1. Change out the PSU.

I already have the PSU do you think its important to swap it out ?

 

1 minute ago, LienusLateTips said:

2. Why do you have 3 CPU coolers?

Because i am not sure which one to go as i said, seems like the standard air cooling isn't much worse than liquid cooling so im not sure if its worth throwing 130 quid on it when i can get one for a less than half that does the same job

[VEXICUS]

Build with some sexy RGB...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.95 @ Komplett) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€119.90 @ Komplett) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€118.95 @ Komplett) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€128.95 @ Komplett) 
Case: KOLINK OBSERVATORY RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€108.39 @ Custompc) 
Total: €705.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-04 06:25 IST+0100

[SHROUD]

47 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

Build with some sexy RGB...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.95 @ Komplett) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€119.90 @ Komplett) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€118.95 @ Komplett) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€128.95 @ Komplett) 
Case: KOLINK OBSERVATORY RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€108.39 @ Custompc) 
Total: €705.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-04 06:25 IST+0100

Dang that RGB build looks sick AF 

[Mene]

4 hours ago, VEXICUS said:

Build with some sexy RGB...

This might give people a hearth attack but im not that crazy after RGB, my PC is sitting on a shelf over my head unfortunately so i don't see it that much when sitting down, i guess i do see it from every other point in my room

 

It would be cool to have it but its a little bit more of an expense that i don't think is that necessary for me  

 

If some one could maybe throw in some advice about Air vs Liquid cooling, i did read in about it and watched some stuff and it really seems like Air is a safer option even tho i have been using liquid cooling for the past two years and nothing ever happened but, that option of failure is still there in the back of my mind, so if Air isn't really worse in terms of performance and it is cheaper would it be a good option ?

[VEXICUS]

1 hour ago, Mene said:

...

Cheaper alternative with a bit less RGB...

R5 3600 is fine with the stock cooler if you don't plan to overclock it.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€228.95 @ Komplett) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€118.95 @ Komplett) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€117.69 @ Custompc) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€74.90 @ Komplett) 
Total: €540.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-04 12:26 IST+0100

[Mene]

1 hour ago, VEXICUS said:

R5 3600 is fine with the stock cooler if you don't plan to overclock it.

So in theory i could leave the stock cooler on it for the moment and it should hold its own ? and get something else down the line.

 

Edit: so i have finally found the B450 tomahawk on Amazon XD they have a package with the Corsair Vengeance RAM and 3600 CPU for 400... or... i can go for the 3700X for 540.... should i ? or should i not.. it would be end up being more in the long run since i would have already bought the 3600  and the 3700x cpu alone is around 300 quid...

 

The main difference between the 3600 and the 3700x would be the amount of workload it can handle ? i mean as jstudrawa mentioned it would be better for streaming etc, wouldn't really see a huge difference in gaming would that be correct ?

 

I do like the, Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case for its RGB but i think like how clean the H500 looks more, just seems to be more my style XD worst case i can throw some RGB in there with the Cooling and maybe fans.

 

[VEXICUS]

2 hours ago, Mene said:

So in theory i could leave the stock cooler on it for the moment and it should hold its own ? and get something else down the line.

 

Edit: so i have finally found the B450 tomahawk on Amazon XD they have a package with the Corsair Vengeance RAM and 3600 CPU for 400... or... i can go for the 3700X for 540.... should i ? or should i not.. it would be end up being more in the long run since i would have already bought the 3600  and the 3700x cpu alone is around 300 quid...

 

The main difference between the 3600 and the 3700x would be the amount of workload it can handle ? i mean as jstudrawa mentioned it would be better for streaming etc, wouldn't really see a huge difference in gaming would that be correct ?

 

I do like the, Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case for its RGB but i think like how clean the H500 looks more, just seems to be more my style XD worst case i can throw some RGB in there with the Cooling and maybe fans.

 

3600 should be plenty for gaming and streaming.

I'll recommend getting a better gpu fr spending your budget, something like a 2080 super.

[Mene]

So all my Gear has arrived, i decided to with the original Proposition of B450 Tomahawk with the Ryzen 5 3600, have packed it in to the NZXT H500 which looks goooood.

 

Thank you very much everyone for your feedback.

 

Unfortunately i have ran in to the BIOS update issues, unfortunately it isn't working too well for me, if any one has any info on these maybe some secrets i haven't covered in my post - 

Thank you all for the help once again. 

 

Edit:

 

So i have spent the last 14 Hours searching for some magical way of making this work but unfortunately it isn't working..

 

I have decided to send it back and instead of the MSI B450 Tomahawk get the MSI AMD MPG x570 Gaming Plus D4 ATX - does any one think its a bad idea ? it seems to be able to take the CPU's and not have booting up issues straight out of the box...

 

Edited August 10, 2019 by Mene