New build; i5 3570k replacement for video editing + gaming

[grangervoldemort]

I paid £178 for my i5 3570k back in Sep 2012.

 

A CPU at that price now is this: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-9500f-s-1151-coffee-lake-refresh-6-core-6-thread-30ghz-44ghz-turbo-9mb-w-o-igpu-65w-cp
Intel Core i5 9500F 9th Gen Desktop Processor/CPU Retail - No iGPU - £190

But that CPU doesn't show on userbenchamark.com.

 

Oddly this CPU which as far as I can tell has a 100mhz slower speed is £50 cheaper and does show on userbenchmark.com: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-9400f-s-1151-coffee-lake-refresh-6-core-6-thread-29ghz-41ghz-turbo-9mb-cache-65w-cpu
Intel Core i5 9400F 9th Gen 6-Core Desktop Processor/CPU - No iGPU - £140
Is this the only difference? 100mhz in speed? Yet it's £50 cheaper?

 

Also does no iGPU mean it has no integrated graphics on the CPU at all? So without a GPU there would be no video out?

Why is it that after 7 years, this new CPU at a similar price point as my 3570k is only 21% faster?! - https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9400F-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3570K/m699058vs1316

Considering I am going to be video editing (nothing fancy, just phone, compact camera and DSLR footage.... like Casey Neistat) what CPU should I get for a new build? I will be building an all new PC. If you want to recommend a £500 CPU please go ahead. Just please tell me what I will need to edit videos as I want to.

What was with the hype about AMD Ryzen CPU's this year?

I will be gaming; but not that much.

Thanks

 

 

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4 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Why is it that after 7 years, this new CPU at a similar price point as my 3570k is only 21% faster?! -

basically from sandy bridge (2012), intel didnt offer any reasonable upgrade over the yrs, till 8th gen when they finally decided to add more cores to fight againt 1st gen ryzen (2017)

in short ryzen has much better value all rounded cpu

[Xkillerpn]

dont use userbenq please, 

 

if you need a new cpu go check reviews.

 

Go with the ryzen 3600 and a b450 board

[grangervoldemort]

1 minute ago, Xkillerpn said:

dont use userbenq please,

why?

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27 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Is this the only difference? 100mhz in speed? Yet it's £50 cheaper?

yep

28 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Also does no iGPU mean it has no integrated graphics on the CPU at all? So without a GPU there would be no video out?

yes

28 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Why is it that after 7 years, this new CPU at a similar price point as my 3570k is only 21% faster?! - https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9400F-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3570K/m699058vs1316

73% faster

28 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Considering I am going to be video editing (nothing fancy, just phone, compact camera and DSLR footage.... like Casey Neistat) what CPU should I get for a new build? I will be building an all new PC.

Ryzen 5 3600, considering you're aiming for 200$

29 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

What was with the hype about AMD Ryzen CPU's this year?

They made Intel irrelevant at this current point in time

[grangervoldemort]

1 hour ago, _Syn_ said:

73% faster

Ryzen 5 3600, considering you're aiming for 200$

Not aiming for £200. I edited my OP because I knew people would misunderstand. I merely compared my current CPU and looked at how much it cost me back in 2012 so that I could find a CPU from Intel for the same price for direct comparison. The limit for the CPU is around £500. If slightly more needs to be spent then so be it.
It is 21% faster overall, not 73% which is only SERVER multi core performance.

Why tf would they sell that CPU for £50 when the only diff (as you claim) is it's only 100mhz faster which is insignificant?!

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Just now, grangervoldemort said:

It is 21% faster overall, not 73% which is only SERVER multi core performance.

That is not true, Multicore performance is very important and it is utilized everywhere, the way userbenchmark calculates performance is outdated
 

3 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Why tf would they sell that CPU for £50 when the only diff (as you claim) is it's only 100mhz faster which is insignificant?!

9500F is still new and not yet widely available so it's overpriced, Intel's suggested prices for the 9400F and the 9500F are only 10$ apart
 

5 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

The limit for the CPU is around £500

You can go up to the 3900X which is a 12 core beast, it's up to you how much you wanna spend, but I wouldn't recommend Intel right now

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10 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

It is 21% faster overall, not 73% which is only SERVER multi core performance.

Also because of DDR3 vs DDR4, the 9400F will pull way ahead of the 3570K, probably more than double the performance I would assume, but that's not apparent in userbenchmark's synthetic tests, but it will be in real world uses

[grangervoldemort]

3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

You can go up to the 3900X which is a 12 core beast, it's up to you how much you wanna spend, but I wouldn't recommend Intel right now

What if I was using Adobe Premiere Pro which works faster with an Intel CPU? Would I not be at a disadvantage by going for AMD?

[grangervoldemort]

Do I need to match the RAM to the CPU FSB (sorry it's been a while since I built a PC)?
How will I know my BIOS settings are correct? Can people walk me through the BIOS settings on here when I build?
How do I know what speed RAM to get>
Do I need non-ecc or ecc? Certified or non certified whatever that is?
Anything else to look out for when buying RAM?

Me scare. Too much complex. Too much selection. Me hide.

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1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

What if I was using Adobe Premiere Pro which works faster with an Intel CPU? Would I not be at a disadvantage by going for AMD?

Where did you hear that? AMD is performing better/same in Premiere

[grangervoldemort]

4 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

Where did you hear that? AMD is performing better/same in Premiere

Here in this forum: '' Not exactly. Premiere Pro for example supports Intel Quicksync which shortens export time and gives Intel CPUs an edge, but Sony Vegas doesnt.  ''

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2 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Do I need to match the RAM to the CPU FSB (sorry it's been a while since I built a PC)?

FSB doesn't exist anymore
 

2 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

How will I know my BIOS settings are correct? Can people walk me through the BIOS settings on here when I build?

You don't have to change anything in BIOS, it's plug and play, but you can create another thread here and ask people, yes
 

3 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

How do I know what speed RAM to get>

It's recommended to get 3200mhz for any CPU really, you can go up to 3600mhz for Ryzen but the performance difference is too little, unless you can find a kit for a similar price to the 3200mhz kit then go for it
 

5 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Do I need non-ecc or ecc? Certified or non certified whatever that is?

non-ecc, you don't need ecc at all for your usage
 

6 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Anything else to look out for when buying RAM?

If you're going with 3200mhz, aim for CL15 or CL14

[grangervoldemort]

3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

You don't have to change anything in BIOS, it's plug and play, but you can create another thread here and ask people, yes

In a Linus recent PC build in which Anthony builds a bang for buck PC for $1,000, he has to set the RAM profile to something called XMP 2.0 in the BIOS for it to run at the correct speed. Check the video. So are you sure about 'plug and play'?

How do I quote individual things you wrote like you did to me? I want to quote you on other things and ask more

 

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2 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Here in this forum: '' Not exactly. Premiere Pro for example supports Intel Quicksync which shortens export time and gives Intel CPUs an edge, but Sony Vegas doesnt.  '' 

For Quicksync i'm not sure, you have to do your own research

here's a relevant video

 

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7 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

In a Linus recent PC build in which Anthony builds a bang for buck PC for $1,000, he has to set the RAM profile to something called XMP 2.0 in the BIOS for it to run at the correct speed. Check the video. So are you sure about 'plug and play'?

Well yeah you have to enable XMP, which is very easy and it's usually on the main screen in the BIOS with a simple toggle, but other than that you don't have to do anything
 

7 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

How do I quote individual things you wrote like you did to me? I want to quote you on other things and ask more

Highlight something with your cursor and wait for the "Quote Selection" popup to appear, it's wonky sometimes so try highlighting again

[grangervoldemort]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

Well yeah you have to enable XMP, which is very easy and it's usually on the main screen in the BIOS with a simple toggle, but other than that you don't have to do anything

Yeah.... see it's all too easy to forget the many tiny settings that exist in the BIOS. I'm sure it's not just plug and play.

How will I know if I need to enable XMP or not?

 

Also in that video with Anthony, he said there is no point in spending $25 more for 3200 speed RAM because he said it wold offer almost no speed diff (he was building a gaming PC so not sure if that applies only to gaming). He bought 3000mhz RAM (mhz right?).
 

14 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

FSB doesn't exist anymore

So what exists in it's place? I remember reading that especially with AMD CPU's you have to be careful in RAM selection.

How do I know what RAM to pick for what CPU and mobo?

Also for the quoting it turns out you have to highlight from left to right in order for the quote box thingy to appear.

[ch3w2oy]

Go Ryzen.. There's absolutely no reason to go Intel.. Also, XMP has to be set for both Intel and AMD systems to get the RAM running at the advertised frequencies.. You should always enable at least XMP/DOCP to maximize preformance, otherwise you might as well get 2133MHz RAM (which wouldn't be wise for either system). 

[grangervoldemort]

Just now, ch3w2oy said:

Go Ryzen.. There's absolutely no reason to go Intel.. Also, XMP has to be set for both Intel and AMD systems to get the RAM running at the advertised frequencies.. You should always enable at least XMP/DOCP to maximize preformance, otherwise you might as well get 2133MHz RAM (which wouldn't be wise for either system). 

OK, but I don't know what XMP/DOCP is.

Also why should I not get an intel?

Thanks

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1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

Yeah.... see it's all too easy to forget the many tiny settings that exist in the BIOS. I'm sure it's not just plug and play.

How will I know if I need to enable XMP or not? 

XMP is very well known at this point so it's easy to forget to recommend, XMP is an overclock memory profile, basically any RAM speed above 2133mhz is considered an overclock, and when you buy a 3200mhz RAM stick, you're guaranteed an overclock profile that is set to 3200mhz which is called XMP, that's all

I don't think there's anything else you have to change, and it's not necessary to enable XMP, but you won't get the RAM performance you paid for, so it's literally plug and play
 

7 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Also in that video with Anthony, he said there is no point in spending $25 more for 3200 speed RAM because he said it wold offer almost no speed diff (he was building a gaming PC so not sure if that applies only to gaming). He bought 3000mhz RAM (mhz right?).

Don't know what video you're talking about but 3200mhz is the same price as 3000mhz, so there's no reason not to go for it, and Ryzen does benefit from memory speed a lot more than Intel CPU's, though Intel CPU's still benefit from it
 

 

11 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

So what exists in it's place? I remember reading that especially with AMD CPU's you have to be careful in RAM selection.

How do I know what RAM to pick for what CPU and mobo?

For Intel it's completely gone, you could consider that DMI replaced it, but it doesn't have the same functions as FSB so it's not technically "replaced" since it's not related to RAM speed at all anymore, also your 3570K doesn't even have FSB, it's using DMI

But as for AMD, they now have the Infinity Fabric, it's nothing to worry about, but to clarify the Infinity Fabric will run at 1:1 ratio up to 3600mhz (RAM speed), anything above that will cause performance issues


 

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2 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Also why should I not get an intel?

As I explained before, Ryzen 3000 made current Intel CPU's irrelevant, you'll be paying a shit ton for an inferior system

[ch3w2oy]

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

OK, but I don't know what XMP/DOCP is.

Also why should I not get an intel?

Thanks

Because Ryzen 3rd gen CPUs are better at every thing except gaming (where Intel is only 1-5% faster anyway), making it pointless as it costs more.. Plus Intel systems are a dead end.. Ryzen will leave you with upgrade options, which I'm sure is important for video editing.. 

 

And for XMP, @_Syn_ just explained it.. 

[grangervoldemort]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

As I explained before, Ryzen 3000 made current Intel CPU's irrelevant, you'll be paying a shit ton for an inferior system

Is that the 3000 SERIES or the 3000 model?

 

 

3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

But as for AMD, they now have the Infinity Fabric, it's nothing to worry about, but to clarify the Infinity Fabric will run at 1:1 ratio up to 3600mhz (RAM speed), anything above that will cause performance issues

What is this 'Infinity Fabric'. What do I have to do to enable it? What about my concerns about AMD CPU's being VERY picky with RAM (I read this somewhere).

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1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

Is that the 3000 SERIES or the 3000 model?

Yes that's 3000 Series
 

1 minute ago, grangervoldemort said:

hat is this 'Infinity Fabric'. What do I have to do to enable it? What about my concerns about AMD CPU's being VERY picky with RAM (I read this somewhere).

It's nothing you have to enable and it's set automatically, when you buy a 3200mhz stick, the Infinity Fabric will be set automatically to 1600mhz (which is the real clock of a 3200mhz stick btw), and that means they're both running at 1:1 ratio, up to 3600mhz, so don't go beyond that

Ryzen 1st Gen used to be very picky with RAM, and Ryzen 2nd Gen improved that a lot, but 3rd Gen has no problems at all from what i've heard, it won't be worse than 2nd Gen that's for sure

[ch3w2oy]

13 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Is that the 3000 SERIES or the 3000 model?

 

 

What is this 'Infinity Fabric'. What do I have to do to enable it? What about my concerns about AMD CPU's being VERY picky with RAM (I read this somewhere).

Ryzen 3000 series.. You have the 3600 6c/12t, 3600X (basically same as 3600 with slight boost, not worth $50), 3700X 8c/16t, 3800X (same as 3700X with higher boost) and the 3900X 12c/24t.

 

Ryzen literally blew Intel out of the water by releasing a 12 core monster CPU on a consumer platform.. Not only that but AMD is releasing the 3950X in Sept!! That's a 16 core beast! 

 

For anything that requires cores/threads you go AMD right now. It just makes sense.. The 3900X/3950X straight washes the floor with the 9900K in anything other than gaming.. But even in gaming it's right on Intels heals and might eventually surpass it due to AMD aging better and developers optimizing for more cores.. 

 

Until Intel releases a new lineup they shouldn't be considered.. There's a reason AMD growth has gone through the roof.. Not one person here will tell you to get an Intel build units you're solely gaming, and even then I don't think anyone will.. Its a bad buy no matter how you look at it.. 

 

I had a 9700K @5.2GHz and I like my Ryzen build A LOT more! I have the 3800X with a high end X570.. Which reminds me.. X570 also has gen 4 PCIe.. Intel does not!!! That's way more bandwidth for NVMELe drives or future proofing for next gen products..

 

AMD is just Killin it it right now!