6700K and Platform Upgrade

[Coachdude]

Alright so I have a little bit of a dilemma here. I want to upgrade from my 6700K as although it still games really well, it isn't a very capable multi-tasker due to only being a quad core, that and in some new games like Battlefield 5, it does bottleneck my gpu a bit, which I only feel will worsen with new game releases. Now, I know Ryzen 3000 is releasing next month, but the thing is I'm very impatient and want the performance now. I was either going to decide to get the 8700K and a Z390 motherboard now as I don't think that'd require me to upgrade my cooler ( Hyper 212 ) just yet bar I'm not going for the absolute maximum overclock possible with tons of overvolting. Or, should I wait it out and get a 3700X for around the same price ( Probably as most retailers seem to price a bit above msrp for the first few weeks of a launch ). Do you think the gains in mutli-core performance from the 6700K to the 8700K would be enough to hold me over for the next generation of consoles or do you think the 3700X is worth waiting for given all the leaks we have and what we know about it so far? In other words, if I got the 8700K now do you think I would end up regretting my purchase? Furthermore would it be worth the expenditure coming from a 6700K @ 4.6 GHz at roughly 590ish USD for the cpu and the motherboard? 

 

I know I'm grasping at straws here and asking people to bust out their crystal balls, but any advice is appreciated. For anyone who went from a 6700K or similar to an 8700K, was the expenditure worth it? I guess you can say I'm asking you guys to talk me out of it, as I know I could probably get 5 GHz out of the 8700K and it would have superb single core performance with very good mutlithreading performance in most applications. But I know the 3700X was demoed beating the 9700K in cinebench by a decent margin which is basically equivalent to the 8700K. 

 

What are your guys' thoughts? Any suggestions for what I should do? All replies are welcome and again, much appreciated!

[Crunchy Dragon]

I would wait for benchmarks and then make a decision based off of that.

[Coachdude]

16 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I would wait for benchmarks and then make a decision based off of that.

Fair enough, thanks for responding. 

[jones177]

An i7 8700k is a gamble because it may or may not reach 5ghz and 5ghz is what you need for a good upgrade.

I went from a i7 6700k to an i7 8700k and it was a good upgrade since a i7 8086k is a 5ghz chip.

 

A stock i7 8700k will give you a smoother experience in games but that is about it unless you upgrade your GPU.

 

If you have no plans to upgrade your GPU go with a R7 2700X. It has about the same IPC as your i7 6700k with double the cores. It is the best upgrade with your currant GPU. 

 

If you plan to upgrade your GPU to a RTX 2080 or Radon 7, wait for the new Ryzens but only get one if it can do a Cinebench single core score of 208(average stock i7 8700k score) or better.  If you plan to upgrade to a RTX 2080 ti or better get a CPU that can do a single core score of 218 or better(average stock i9 9900k score). 

 

I don't go by Cinebench CPU scores for gaming because if it was relevant we would all be using Thread Rippers. The single core score is a better indicator of game performance for now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Coachdude]

2 hours ago, jones177 said:

An i7 8700k is a gamble because it may or may not reach 5ghz and 5ghz is what you need for a good upgrade.

I went from a i7 6700k to an i7 8700k and it was a good upgrade since a i7 8086k is a 5ghz chip.

 

A stock i7 8700k will give you a smoother experience in games but that is about it unless you upgrade your GPU.

 

If you have no plans to upgrade your GPU go with a R7 2700X. It has about the same IPC as your i7 6700k with double the cores. It is the best upgrade with your currant GPU. 

 

If you plan to upgrade your GPU to a RTX 2080 or Radon 7, wait for the new Ryzens but only get one if it can do a Cinebench single core score of 208(average stock i7 8700k score) or better.  If you plan to upgrade to a RTX 2080 ti or better get a CPU that can do a single core score of 218 or better(average stock i9 9900k score). 

 

I don't go by Cinebench CPU scores for gaming because if it was relevant we would all be using Thread Rippers. The single core score is a better indicator of game performance for now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I game at 1080P 144 and the 6700K is the one that really holds me back there, especially on Battlefield 5 maps like Rotterdam, etc. I just doesn't have the muscle. I'm fine with turning settings down a bit on the 1080P but I want to ensure getting as close to that refresh rate as I can. Did the 8700K significantly improve frametimes/framerates in your experience coming from a 6700K? Thanks for replying btw, much appreciated!

[gbergeron]

5 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Well I game at 1080P 144 and the 6700K is the one that really holds me back there, especially on Battlefield 5 maps like Rotterdam, etc. I just doesn't have the muscle. I'm fine with turning settings down a bit on the 1080P but I want to ensure getting as close to that refresh rate as I can. Did the 8700K significantly improve frametimes/framerates in your experience coming from a 6700K? Thanks for replying btw, much appreciated!

I run 1440p 144hz and have no problem with rotterdam 

 

6700k reachers 80% usage maximum in any situation in BFV

 

most of the time its around 60% usage

[Coachdude]

8 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

I run 1440p 144hz and have no problem with rotterdam 

 

6700k reachers 80% usage maximum in any situation in BFV

 

most of the time its around 60% usage

Well you're probably pushing less fps with a 1070. I use a RTX 2060 ( 1080 was a refurb and died but 2060 has similar performance. ) and my 6700K is nearly pegged to the high 90's and up to 100 most of the time on Rotterdam. I use mainly high settings dx11 with post processing set to low. 

[gbergeron]

9 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Well you're probably pushing less fps with a 1070. I use a RTX 2060 ( 1080 was a refurb and died but 2060 has similar performance. ) and my 6700K is nearly pegged to the high 90's and up to 100 most of the time on Rotterdam. I use mainly high settings dx11 with post processing set to low. 

Whats is ur gpu usage ?

[Coachdude]

59 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

Whats is ur gpu usage ?

Depends on the map. On Rotterdam it can vary between 70-100% depending on what's going on. This lack of consistency is why I want to get something with more cores, as I think Battlefield 5 is really one of the games that tends to utilize them very well. Paired with the fact that I'd be getting higher clocks ( 4.6 vs 5.0 on the 8700K most likely. ) and I'm thinking it would really help out in those lowest gpu usage scenarios. Although reading up on things and looking at other people's replies the general consensus seems to be to wait for Ryzen 3000, which is probably the smartest move in all honesty. 

[jones177]

9 hours ago, Coachdude said:

Well I game at 1080P 144 and the 6700K is the one that really holds me back there, especially on Battlefield 5 maps like Rotterdam, etc. I just doesn't have the muscle. I'm fine with turning settings down a bit on the 1080P but I want to ensure getting as close to that refresh rate as I can. Did the 8700K significantly improve frametimes/framerates in your experience coming from a 6700K? Thanks for replying btw, much appreciated!

 

By the time I upgraded the i7 6700k to the i7 8086k I was using a GTX 1080 ti. The i7 6700k was on my 4k rig so I did not test games at 1080p. What I did was test it against my i7 8700k that I had in my ultra wide rig that also had a GTX 1080 ti. I used Heaven set to 1080p, no AA, quality ultra, tessellation extreme to see if the GPU can reach its power limit. With the i7 8700k it could and with the 1080 ti and the i7 6700k could not.  Also the i7 6700k was not smooth in benches and in games and the i7 8700k was. 

 

Since I only bought one GTX 1080 for myself I did not do comparison tests. It was a total failure at 4k with the i7 6700k so I ran the i7 6700k with 2 GTX 980 ti in SLI. When I upgraded to a GTX 1080 ti there was no gain in frame rate in SLI games and I assume that was a bottleneck. When upgrading to the i7 8086k there was a 10fps plus gain and that is a big deal at 4k.

 

Since my i7 6700k had large gains with the 980 ti in SLI over the GTX 1080, I think it is your GPU holding you back more than your CPU. This was way before BFV was out so I can't be 100% sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Coachdude]

6 hours ago, jones177 said:

 

By the time I upgraded the i7 6700k to the i7 8086k I was using a GTX 1080 ti. The i7 6700k was on my 4k rig so I did not test games at 1080p. What I did was test it against my i7 8700k that I had in my ultra wide rig that also had a GTX 1080 ti. I used Heaven set to 1080p, no AA, quality ultra, tessellation extreme to see if the GPU can reach its power limit. With the i7 8700k it could and with the 1080 ti and the i7 6700k could not.  Also the i7 6700k was not smooth in benches and in games and the i7 8700k was. 

 

Since I only bought one GTX 1080 for myself I did not do comparison tests. It was a total failure at 4k with the i7 6700k so I ran the i7 6700k with 2 GTX 980 ti in SLI. When I upgraded to a GTX 1080 ti there was no gain in frame rate in SLI games and I assume that was a bottleneck. When upgrading to the i7 8086k there was a 10fps plus gain and that is a big deal at 4k.

 

Since my i7 6700k had large gains with the 980 ti in SLI over the GTX 1080, I think it is your GPU holding you back more than your CPU. This was way before BFV was out so I can't be 100% sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright, thanks for replying, I appreciate it! And yeah in all likelihood depending on reviews and benchmarks ofc I'm really eying that Ryzen 7 3700X. If the ipc is good as they claim it should trade blows with a 9900K at least at stock, and more likely once it's overclocked. I'm definitely looking forward to the July release, that's for sure. Again thanks for replying buddy.