Bottleneck

[CrimsonSlayer]

Does lowering settings ingame increase fps in a bottlenecked rig or does to fps remain consistent like 40 fps on high med and low?

[Daniel Z.]

Depends, but if the GPU is bottlenecked you should turn up settings.

[CrimsonSlayer]

2 minutes ago, Arika S said:

depends on the game and what the ""Bottleneck"" is

The cpu

[Princess Luna]

10 minutes ago, CrimsonSlayer said:

Does lowering settings ingame increase fps in a bottlenecked rig or does to fps remain consistent like 40 fps on high med and low?

Usually if you are entirely CPU bound reduing graphical settings will not give more FPS, the "world" that is the game, everything that happens there and all the NPC and your registering your actions and consequences all is done by the CPU.

 

The GPU merely draws/renders the images you're supposed to see, images the CPU tells the GPU to.

If your the CPU is already maxed out and can't tell the GPU what it is supposed to do fast enough making the GPU work on actually drawing it won't change the fact it's already barely doing anything.

[CrimsonSlayer]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

Usually if you are entirely CPU bound reduing graphical settings will not give more FPS, the "world" that is the game, everything tht happens there and all the NPC and your registering your actions and consequences all is done by the CPU.

 

The GPU merely draws/renders the images you're supposed to see, images the CPU tells the GPU to.

If you the CPU is already maxed out and can't tell the GPU what it is supposed to do fast enough making the GPU work on actually drawing it won't change the fact it's already barely doing anything.

Thanks that was informative

[CrimsonSlayer]

5 minutes ago, Arika S said:

...then it depends on the game...

So i have a gtx 1050ti paired with a i5 3450.I want to upgrade to an rx 580 but i know i will get bottlenecked on cpu intensive titles possibly leading to worse fps then my current setup.Also dont have the cash to upgrade the processor so should i upgrade to a 580 or stick to current build

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, CrimsonSlayer said:

So i have a gtx 1050ti paired with a i5 3450.I want to upgrade to an rx 580 but i know i will get bottlenecked on cpu intensive titles possibly leading to worse fps then my current setup.Also dont have the cash to upgrade the processor so should i upgrade to a 580 or stick to current build

It would never be worse. Just get a 580 or 570, your GPU is holding your CPU back significantly.

[CrimsonSlayer]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

It would never be worse. Just get a 580 or 570, your GPU is holding your CPU back 

Lets phrase it this way would u buy a balanced system or a bottlenecked one with more performance in some games and a stuttering mess in cpu intense titles?

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

It would never be worse

It really can though, you can go from low but stable frames to high but choppy frames

[CrimsonSlayer]

4 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

It really can though, you can go from low but stable frames to high but choppy frames

This is what im asking.So if u were in my place would u do it?do u have any experience with unstable fps and how was the experience?

[Daniel Z.]

17 minutes ago, CrimsonSlayer said:

This is what im asking.So if u were in my place would u do it?do u have any experience with unstable fps and how was the experience?

I have an i5 4460 and a GTX 1660, it’s fine in games like Apex 1440p.

 

26 minutes ago, CrimsonSlayer said:

Lets phrase it this way would u buy a balanced system or a bottlenecked one with more performance in some games and a stuttering mess in cpu intense titles?

The 1050Ti isn’t balanced with the i5 3450. The i5 has plenty of room to stretch its legs.

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

The 1050Ti isn’t balanced with the i5 3450. The i5 has plenty of room to stretch its legs.

Agreed - the i5 alone doesn't really get massive increases imho generation to generation...an i5 6600 is only ~18% faster single core.  I have a 3470 I game on once in a while and there is nothing wrong with that CPU until you need more than 4 cores imho (given the context of the situation is what I mean...a 1050ti vs 580 on that chip is a good upgrade imho and quite a bit of frame upgrade)

[CrimsonSlayer]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Agreed - the i5 alone doesn't really get massive increases imho generation to generation...an i5 6600 is only ~18% faster single core.  I have a 3470 I game on once in a while and there is nothing wrong with that CPU until you need more than 4 cores imho (given the context of the situation is what I mean...a 1050ti vs 580 on that chip is a good upgrade imho and quite a bit of frame upgrade)

You know i see all these videos on youtube and they have some shit fps with i5 3450 rx 580 so im getting paranoid weather i should even go with the upgrade cause like everyone i dont wanna waste money

[Fasauceome]

33 minutes ago, CrimsonSlayer said:

This is what im asking.So if u were in my place would u do it?do u have any experience with unstable fps and how was the experience?

honestly I'd just save for a full system upgrade. New CPU like the 3770 or something and an RX 580 to compliment it. Your old hardware will fetch a decent price.

[Tristerin]

36 minutes ago, CrimsonSlayer said:

You know i see all these videos on youtube and they have some shit fps with i5 3450 rx 580 so im getting paranoid weather i should even go with the upgrade cause like everyone i dont wanna waste money

There will be games that rely more heavily on core count/threads but not to the extent that you will be unable to play, by any means (if we are talking 1080p here).

 

At that point (1080p) you should save more money and only get a 4gb model as you wont notice a difference between the two, unless you plan on upgrading down the line and carrying the card over for the investment now.

[CrimsonSlayer]

10 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

There will be games that rely more heavily on core count/threads but not to the extent that you will be unable to play, by any means (if we are talking 1080p here).

 

At that point (1080p) you should save more money and only get a 4gb model as you wont notice a difference between the two, unless you plan on upgrading down the line and carrying the card over for the investment now.

I see thanks for the info

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 hours ago, CrimsonSlayer said:

Does lowering settings ingame increase fps in a bottlenecked rig or does to fps remain consistent like 40 fps on high med and low?

If the game is CPU bottlenecked at higher settings, then you've reached basically the "maximum FPS" the system can achieve. So lowering it won't do anything to help.

[CrimsonSlayer]

9 hours ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

If the game is CPU bottlenecked at higher settings, then you've reached basically the "maximum FPS" the system can achieve. So lowering it won't do anything to help.

thank u for the info

[Guest]

a bottlenecked rig? when is a rig bottlenecked .. if one if its components can reach lightning speeds while the other components only move at the speed of sound? something like that ?

I often feel that my gpu should be better, or could be better is better said .... could a component be bottlenecked by the software it is running?

there are so many ways to look upon such a topic

I once had a cpu running at 100% while my gpu had a steady 80% load .... after switching the cpu to something stronger cpu load dropped to 30% while gpu load increased to 100% load ... good times