New budget build?

[dravemel0n]

i got my hands on a rx 570 and a ryzen 5 2600 recently and i have about 170 pounds (thats the limit sadly i cannot pay more than that) on my hands and i need to pick a motherboard,a power supply,and a ram.

 

(ps:i have a ssd somewhere in the office,ill be fine with it)

[.Apex.]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	£76.46 @ Amazon UK
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£38.39 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	£48.48 @ Amazon UK
	Total	£163.33

Something like this, you can buy another 8GB stick later which is important for Dual Channel

[LukeSavenije]

8 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

PCPartPicker Part List

not bad... but i can ALMOST fit in 16 gigs without comprising on anything

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£67.45 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£75.99 @ Aria PC
Power Supply	be quiet! - System Power 8 400 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply	£41.27 @ CCL Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£184.71
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-04 21:06 BST+0100

 

[jerubedo]

18 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	£76.46 @ Amazon UK
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£38.39 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	£48.48 @ Amazon UK
	Total	£163.33

Something like this, you can buy another 8GB stick later which is important for Dual Channel

I would not start on Single Channel. Depending on the game there can be up to a 65% loss in FPS. Go with dual channel 2x4GB. You can still expand to 16GB by getting another 2x4GB and filling all 4 slots.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	£76.46 @ Amazon UK
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£46.38 @ Aria PC
Power Supply	be quiet! - System Power 9 400 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£43.82 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£166.66
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-04 21:15 BST+0100

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

up to a 65% loss in FPS

a little extreme...

 

fps loss is real tho, ryzen loves high speed dual channel

[.Apex.]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

not bad... but i can ALMOST fit in 16 gigs without comprising on anything

that's solid if he can buy that instead
 

3 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

I would not start on Single Channel. Depending on the game there can be up to a 65% loss in FPS. Go with dual channel 2x4GB. You can still expand to 16GB by getting another 2x4GB and filling all 4 slots.

With an RX 570? he wouldn't be losing much FPS, certainly not 65%.. I don't recommend going for 2x4, that's wasting 2 slots

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, _Syn_ said:

that's solid if he can buy that instead

i stand corrected tho... i thought i had the sp9, it was an 8...

 

fixed version:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£67.45 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£75.99 @ Aria PC
Power Supply	be quiet! - System Power 9 400 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£43.82 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£187.26
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-04 21:14 BST+0100

 

[jerubedo]

7 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

a little extreme...

 

fps loss is real tho, ryzen loves high speed dual channel

It's true. See here:

 

 

See at 36 seconds where the FPS is 103 vs 170: ~65% loss in FPS. Also note that this is on an Intel CPU, it's worse on Ryzen.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

don't recommend going for 2x4, that's wasting 2 slots

i do... ryzen really wants dual channel as much, if not more than high speed memory. it's not as extreme as mentioned above, but certainly noticeable

 

and the pro4 has 4 slots anyways

[jerubedo]

2 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

With an RX 570?

True, it would not be that extreme with a 570. I don't have data for that unfortunately, but I do know it happens to that extent with a 1080Ti as seen in the video I posted above.

[NunoLava1998]

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

It's true. See here:

 

 

See at 36 seconds where the FPS is 103 vs 170: ~65% loss in FPS.

on a i5 8600k...

also ive never seen it THAT extreme, typically its 20%& at the very very very most

[.Apex.]

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

See at 36 seconds where the FPS is 103 vs 170: ~65% loss in FPS. 

That's with a GTX 1080Ti.. the RX 570 barely touches 103 FPS in Battlefield V at low settings

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

See at 36 seconds where the FPS is 103 vs 170: ~65% loss in FPS.

little really specific... but okay

 

it's not that realistic tho, in his case especially

 

tho i still am on the same line with you, go dual channel

[jerubedo]

Just now, NunoLava1998 said:

on a i5 8600k...

also ive never seen it THAT extreme, typically its 20%& at the very very very most

Right, on an i5. It's even worse with Ryzen, which is even more memory sensitive. And yes this is with a 1080 Ti. And 65% is a worst case scenario. As seen in the video it's MOSTLY 30%-ish. But up to 65%.

[jerubedo]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

That's with a GTX 1080Ti.. the RX 570 barely touches 103 FPS in Battlefield V at low settings

I know. It's just demonstrative, that's all. Point is, you'll still have a noticeable drop in FPS. Especially on Ryzen.

[.Apex.]

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i do... ryzen really wants dual channel as much, if not more than high speed memory. it's not as extreme as mentioned above, but certainly noticeable

 

and the pro4 has 4 slots anyways

Ofc Dual channel is important I said that in my first post but not 2x4, he might need 32GB in the future who knows, he certainly has the ability to upgrade his system in any way he wants considering the compatibility of future Ryzen CPU's

[.Apex.]

Just now, jerubedo said:

I know. It's just demonstrative, that's all. Point is, you'll still have a noticeable drop in FPS. Especially on Ryzen.

You don't seem to understand why Single channel drops in performance, if the GPU can't achieve a frame rate to where the RAM becomes a bottleneck then Single channel won't matter at all and you lose nothing

[jerubedo]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

Ofc Dual channel is important I said that in my first post but not 2x4, he might need 32GB in the future who knows, he certainly has the ability to upgrade his system in any way he wants considering the compatibility of future Ryzen CPU's

I mean he can still get 32+ by using 2x4 right now. You can fill it 2x4, 2x16 and have 40GB. No matter how you slice it, they should use dual channel now.

[jerubedo]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

You don't seem to understand why Single channel drops in performance, if the GPU can't achieve a frame rate to where the RAM becomes a bottleneck then Single channel won't matter at all and you lose nothing

No I definitely understand. You said yourself, the 570 can reach about 100 FPS. Check that video again. At the 2:00 minute mark single channel drops into the 80s where the dual channel stays in the 130s. So it will still happen on a 570.

[.Apex.]

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

No I definitely understand. You said yourself, the 570 can reach about 100 FPS. Check that video again. At the 2:00 minute mark single channel drops into the 80s where the dual channel stays in the 130s. So it will still happen on a 570.

I said at low settings, but yeah it's up to him, I doubt he has a 144Hz monitor with an RX 570 anyway

 

[trevb0t]

All this aside, the data is real. Whether it's a 10% loss or a 50% loss, the gains are significant enough between single and dual channel that there is a clear path:

 

The OP made it clear that this is his budget, and he needs everything. So if that's the case, yes: 2x4 > 1x8 because he doesn't want necessary down-the-line purchases. So if the suggestion was some now and some later, you weren't reading the post.

[dravemel0n]

14 hours ago, trevb0t said:

All this aside, the data is real. Whether it's a 10% loss or a 50% loss, the gains are significant enough between single and dual channel that there is a clear path:

 

The OP made it clear that this is his budget, and he needs everything. So if that's the case, yes: 2x4 > 1x8 because he doesn't want necessary down-the-line purchases. So if the suggestion was some now and some later, you weren't reading the post.

so uhh i should buy a 2x 4gb ram isntead of 1x 8 gb ram?

[trevb0t]

59 minutes ago, dravemel0n said:

so uhh i should buy a 2x 4gb ram isntead of 1x 8 gb ram?

Yes, absolutely. The only reason you should buy 1x8 is if you're anticipating having another 50ish for another stick sometime soon. 

[dravemel0n]

Just now, trevb0t said:

Yes, absolutely. The only reason you should buy 1x8 is if you're anticipating having another 50ish for another stick sometime soon. 

3 months isnt anytime soon is it?

 

[trevb0t]

2 minutes ago, dravemel0n said:

3 months isnt anytime soon is it?

 

Well sure. It falls on you. You're still going to have a working PC until then, but it's going to lose some performance until you get a second stick. 

So make sure you do get a second stick, make sure your first stick is between 3000-3200mhz, and make sure to get an identical stick for your second one.