Ryzen 3 1200 and Vega 56 vs ryzen 5 2600 (x) with rx 580 or 590?

[Aliairstinger]

Hi Everyone, So I want to build a new pc for video editing in Da Vinci Resolve 16. This software is more GPU dependent than CPU dependent. So I have 3 builds I'm looking into building and I want to know what would be the best value?

 

Ryzen 3 1200 and Vega 56 Build: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$73.62 @ OutletPC
Thermal Compound	Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste	$6.39 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$74.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$34.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB Video Card	$299.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Rosewill - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$628.70
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 12:47 EDT-0400

 

 

 

Ryzen 5 2600 and RX 590 Build: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.49 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$74.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$37.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	ASRock - Radeon RX 590 8 GB Phantom Gaming X Video Card	$209.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Rosewill - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$626.18
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 12:48 EDT-0400

or 

 

Ryzen 5 2600X and RX 580 (8 GB) build: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$179.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$74.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$37.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Video Card	$184.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Rosewill - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$616.68
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 12:49 EDT-0400

 

[Siirisena]

i'd say the ryzen 5 2600 and RX 590. the ryzen 3 will bottleneck vega so much in gaming,  and ryzen 5 2600x isn't worth it compared to normal 2600 given that you know how  to overclock the 2600 properly. although to be honest, my recommendation is for gaming purposes. i don't know much about editing. but if the pc can game, i assume it can edit great too.

cheers and good luck with your build.

[WereCat]

It doesent really matter with a single stick of RAM.

Those are quite imbalanced builds.

 

Get something like this instead:

RX 570 and RX 580 or RX 590 are very simmilar cards. The performance difference is quite small vs the price difference. The important thing is that all of them have 8GB of VRAM for video editing.

This also allows you to get 16GB of RAM in DualChannel instead of a SingleChannel 8GB of RAM.

Also, the CPU is a LOT better than Ryzen 3 1200 and almost as good as Ryzen 5 2600 but way cheaper.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$119.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$74.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory	$69.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	ASRock - Radeon RX 570 8 GB Phantom Gaming D Video Card	$139.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Rosewill - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$543.58
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:03 EDT-0400

 

If you want better cards its worth it to step up to Vega 56 which actualy makes sense for the price unlike the RX 580 or RX 590 but you will have to save up to $700

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$119.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$74.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory	$69.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB PULSE Video Card	$299.99 @ Amazon
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Rosewill - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$703.58
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:07 EDT-0400

 

 

 

 

And whether Resolve is more CPU or GPU dependent varies a lot on which codeks and encoder you use.

But almost in all cases, it benefits a lot from a better CPU so you cant just get some cheap CPU and be done with it.

[SpookyCitrus]

Yeah, you're going to want at least 16GB of dual channel ram for a video editing PC. 8GB single channel for any sort of rendering is a big oof.

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($119.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($75.71 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($37.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($37.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: HP - EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($42.17 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($39.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB AREZ Dual OC Video Card  ($169.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $598.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:12 EDT-0400

[Beowulff83]

If you have a microcenter near you they have been running specials recently on the ryzen 5 1600 for around $75 if you wan't to keep an eye out.

[Jurrunio]

GPU-heavy as Davinci resolve might be, if you dont have a certain level of CPU power, you still get CPU bottleneck. Also 8GB memory is too few for editing, will drag the system back

 

This is what happens when staying with Vega 56

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$119.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-VDH PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Team - L5 LITE 3D 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$48.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB PULSE Video Card	$299.99 @ Amazon
Case	Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$34.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$52.88 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$795.93
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$775.93
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:15 EDT-0400

Changed CPU to prevent CPU bottleneck

Changed motherboard so it's actually powerful enough to hold CPU upgrades and has more memory slots for memory upgrade

Different SSD purely for price to performance. Can swap back if you wish, though I prefer SSDs with DRAM cache (MS30 doesnt have any), which helps with latency

Different case to give better airflow. Vega is a hot card

Different PSU, still not enough for overclocking Vega imo.

Different GPU brand, I trust Sapphire more than Gigabyte

A lot of case fans to get rid of the heat

 

this is what I could do at around $600

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$119.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-VDH PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Team - L5 LITE 3D 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$48.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Hitachi - Ultrastar 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$36.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus - Radeon RX 570 8 GB AREZ Expedition Video Card	$139.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$34.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$52.88 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	ARCTIC - Arctic F12 PWM 57 CFM 120mm Fan	$6.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$635.93
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$615.93
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:21 EDT-0400

Could spend $30 more for RX 580 if you wish. I'd keep the rest to maintain upgradability

 

@WereCat Rosewill Glacier lineup finally got reviews?

 

[Aliairstinger]

13 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

Yeah, you're going to want at least 16GB of dual channel ram for a video editing PC. 8GB single channel for any sort of rendering is a big oof.

I do plan to upgrade the ram later to 24 GB. I just want to start now with 8, then upgrade to 16.

[WereCat]

@Jurrunio

no idea, I have been neglecting reading up on PSU reviews for quite some time now

[Aliairstinger]

19 minutes ago, WereCat said:

t doesent really matter with a single stick of RAM.

Those are quite imbalanced builds.

I do plan to upgrade the ram later to 24 GB. I just want to start now with 8, then upgrade to 16.

[Berfs1]

1 minute ago, Siirisena said:

i'd say the ryzen 5 2600 and RX 590. the ryzen 3 will bottleneck vega so much in gaming,  and ryzen 5 2600x isn't worth it compared to normal 2600 given that you know how  to overclock the 2600 properly. although to be honest, my recommendation is for gaming purposes. i don't know much about editing. but if the pc can game, i assume it can edit great too.

cheers and good luck with your build.

The OP stated this was for video editing and not gaming. Not all PC builders are gamers. However if we are talking about gaming, then the Vega 56 will beat the 590 so much that the CPU bottleneck won't matter at higher resolutions.

 

Anyways, for editing, this build would be much better for the same cost:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($119.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - TUF B350M-PLUS GAMING Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Patriot - VPN100 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock - Radeon RX 590 8 GB Phantom Gaming X Video Card  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($26.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($52.88 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $625.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:26 EDT-0400

[Berfs1]

3 minutes ago, Aliairstinger said:

I do plan to upgrade the ram later to 24 GB. I just want to start now with 8, then upgrade to 16.

24GB is a weird number, and um, you can actually run into performance issues by running an odd amount of ram on Ryzen. Stick to 8, 16, 32, or 64. Never mix kits as they wont be guaranteed to work the exact same.

[Aliairstinger]

1 minute ago, Berfs1 said:

The OP stated this was for video editing and not gaming. Not all PC builders are gamers. However if we are talking about gaming, then the Vega 56 will beat the 590 so much that the CPU bottleneck won't matter at higher resolutions.

 

My main focus is Video editing, but i do plan to play some games on the side.

[Berfs1]

Just now, Aliairstinger said:

My main focus is Video editing, but i do plan to play some games on the side.

Yea, I did post a build list with the 1600, that one should do you much better, because you get 3 times the threads, and that can help with GPU encoding, vs 4 threads. Also, for Ryzen, you will want to have SMT enabled, because um, you get a lot more performance that way.

[MeatFeastMan]

5 minutes ago, Berfs1 said:

The OP stated this was for video editing and not gaming. Not all PC builders are gamers. However if we are talking about gaming, then the Vega 56 will beat the 590 so much that the CPU bottleneck won't matter at higher resolutions.

 

Anyways, for editing, this build would be much better for the same cost:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($119.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - TUF B350M-PLUS GAMING Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Patriot - VPN100 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock - Radeon RX 590 8 GB Phantom Gaming X Video Card  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($26.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($52.88 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $625.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 13:26 EDT-0400

256gb ssd only? No. They're gonna need more than that regardless of the purpose. And for video editing, Vega's HBM2, HBCC and extra compute strength are really useful so it's probably important to get Vega over Polaris.

[Aliairstinger]

2 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

. And for video editing, Vega's HBM2, HBCC and extra compute strength are really useful so it's probably important to get Vega over Polaris.

What about the first gen. HBH memory on the Radeon R9 Fury and Nano cards? Would those be ok?

 

[Berfs1]

2 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

256gb ssd only? No. They're gonna need more than that regardless of the purpose. And for video editing, Vega's HBM2, HBCC and extra compute strength are really useful so it's probably important to get Vega over Polaris.

I put that particular SSD because it was NVMe m.2, but feel free to switch that out with a 480GB, and yes I do realize it would be more helpful to have more storage, but I was trying to stick to the budget of ~625$ USD. As for Vega, I also know that HBM2 and the computing power is really helpful for editing, but again, when budget is factored in, it would have been so bottlenecked that it would have been underpowered in everything else aside from editing.

[MeatFeastMan]

3 minutes ago, Aliairstinger said:

What about the first gen. HBH memory on the Radeon R9 Fury and Nano cards? Would those be ok?

 

They only have 4gb which is not much good for gaming or video editing. Get Polaris over those cards, the 8gb is important.

[Berfs1]

2 minutes ago, Aliairstinger said:

What about the first gen. HBH memory on the Radeon R9 Fury and Nano cards? Would those be ok?

 

They only have 4GB of memory and consume a lot of power, not to mention, you only stated R9 Fury, and not the X, so those actually would be slightly better than the RX 590, if you factor in driver optimizations not available for the Fury GPUs. The Fury X is really the only one you should go for if you are going for a Fiji GPU.

[WereCat]

3 minutes ago, Aliairstinger said:

What about the first gen. HBH memory on the Radeon R9 Fury and Nano cards? Would those be ok?

 

You need VRAM for video editing. The 1st gen HBM cards only have 4GB max.

If you really dont care about losing performance due to single channel RAM and you plan to upgrade soon. Just get the 2nd build I posted but change the RAM for 1x8GB. It should be about $670 with Vega56 and Ryzen 5 1600.

But I would rather recommend you to get 16GB of RAM immediately.

[Aliairstinger]

18 hours ago, Aliairstinger said:

And for video editing, Vega's HBM2, HBCC and extra compute strength are really useful so it's probably important to get Vega over Polaris.

What would be better for editing, HBM2 Memory or GDDR6 Memory? Also, would Gddr5X memory better than gddr5 for editing?