would you rather...

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

Would you rather a 1080p 144hz IPS display monitor or a 1440p 144hz TN panel monitor (i'm looking to buy a new monitor and can't decide between the two - so i was wondering what other people would do.).

[Skiiwee29]

Depends on what you're doing and the hardware you have? Unless you're rocking a 1080ti/2080 or better, you likely wouldnt be able to drive the FPS up to 144hz on 1440p. Other wise of the coin is it would leave you in a good place for future upgrades to get up to that point eventually. 

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

3 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Depends on what you're doing and the hardware you have? Unless you're rocking a 1080ti/2080 or better, you likely wouldnt be able to drive the FPS up to 144hz on 1440p. Other wise of the coin is it would leave you in a good place for future upgrades to get up to that point eventually. 

i have an RTX 2060 (and ryzen 5 1600x) so wouldn't reach 144fps at 1440p on most titles however i don't play many demanding titles and wouldn't mind turning down to 1080p in those. i also have GPU usage issues and would hope that 1440p would solve them.

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, Pegi_Tw3lve said:

i have an RTX 2060 (and ryzen 5 1600x) so wouldn't reach 144fps at 1440p on most titles however i don't play many demanding titles and wouldn't mind turning down to 1080p in those. i also have GPU usage issues and would hope that 1440p would solve them.

Well looking at your spec list in your profile, you're only running single channel Memory. Get a 2nd stick or swap the single stick you have now out for a proper dual channel kit. This will resolve some of the problems you are likely experiencing. Here is a video that Hardware Canucks just did that shows this impact.

 

 

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

Just now, Skiiwee29 said:

Well looking at your spec list in your profile, you're only running single channel Memory. Get a 2nd stick or swap the single stick you have now out for a proper dual channel kit. This will resolve some of the problems you are likely experiencing. Here is a video that Hardware Canucks just did that shows this impact.

 

 

i have 16gb duel channel, sorry forgot to change that.

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, Pegi_Tw3lve said:

i have 16gb duel channel, sorry forgot to change that.

Just to be on the safe side, could you go download CPU-z and take a screenshot of the Memory tab please? Should look like this.

 

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

1 hour ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Just to be on the safe side, could you go download CPU-z and take a screenshot of the Memory tab please? Should look like this.

 

[mr moose]

1080 IPS.  I've been watching the higher resolutions and for me personally I just don't have any desire to pay for more resolution.  A good game for me doesn't need flashy visuals, and 1080 is panning out to be good enough.

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

2 minutes ago, Arika S said:

IPS all the way. Colour accuracy and viewing angles are always going to be more important to me vs resolution or refresh rate. Does 1440p 144hz look good? Sure, but it’s not worth the trade offs to me

okay thanks, can u reccormend any decent 144hz ips 1080p monitors because i can't find many - am i missing something?

[NunoLava1998]

1440p 75hz IPS costs about the same (if not a little less) and should be pretty good too. However no 144hz

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

2 minutes ago, NunoLava1998 said:

1440p 75hz IPS costs about the same (if not a little less) and should be pretty good too. However no 144hz

is the best 144hz 1080p display i can get a VA? how come they don't make 1080p 144hz ips monitor's?

[SolarNova]

Depends on how much blurring u notice in displays.

 

Consider that at 144hz only TN has a chance of having pixel keep up with the frequency. IPS and VA cant achieve 'real' 7ms pixel response times, so any display using those panel types, running 144hz, WILL have some amount of blurring/ghosting present.

So it will depend on how much of that u tend to notice, its down to the individual.

 

 

ofc there are many other factors to consider, Panel Uniformity is a big one, as is color accuracy and black level performance.

 

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

On 4/28/2019 at 1:11 PM, SolarNova said:

Depends on how much blurring u notice in displays.

 

Consider that at 144hz only TN has a chance of having pixel keep up with the frequency. IPS and VA cant achieve 'real' 7ms pixel response times, so any display using those panel types, running 144hz, WILL have some amount of blurring/ghosting present.

So it will depend on how much of that u tend to notice, its down to the individual.

 

 

ofc there are many other factors to consider, Panel Uniformity is a big one, as is color accuracy and black level performance.

 

i do tend to notice ghosting very easily, but can't you reduce ghosting via turning down your response time? I turned down the response time on my current monitor and the ghosting went. Surely VA and IPS displays with slower response times would have less ghosting then?

[SolarNova]

6 hours ago, Pegi_Tw3lve said:

i do tend to notice ghosting very easily, but can't you reduce ghosting via turning down your response time? I turned down the response time on my current monitor and the ghosting went. Surely VA and IPS displays with slower response times would have less ghosting then?

Turn down response time ?

Unless ur referring to 'overdrive', im not sure what ur getting at.

 

Both VA and IPS , regardless of overdrive, simply isn't fast enough for 144hz, only TN is. I'm not saying u wont notice the 144hz, it will play smoother for sure, BUT it wont be near as crisp during motion as a TN with a fast pixel response.

 

On top of that, overdrive has its own issues, at to high a setting u get overshoot, which is kinda like a reverse ghosting effect which can be just as noticeable.

 

[Pegi_Tw3lve]

On 4/30/2019 at 3:13 PM, SolarNova said:

Turn down response time ?

Unless ur referring to 'overdrive', im not sure what ur getting at.

 

Both VA and IPS , regardless of overdrive, simply isn't fast enough for 144hz, only TN is. I'm not saying u wont notice the 144hz, it will play smoother for sure, BUT it wont be near as crisp during motion as a TN with a fast pixel response.

 

On top of that, overdrive has its own issues, at to high a setting u get overshoot, which is kinda like a reverse ghosting effect which can be just as noticeable.

 

What would the visual difference look like? Would it encourage screen tearing? Would the 144hz not look as smooth unless you are on TN?

[SolarNova]

So screen tearing has nothing to do with it, at all.

Let me explain the difference between pixel response and refresh rate to give you a better idea of what we're talking about here.

 

Pixel response is the speed in which a pixel can transition fully from one color/shade to another. When this is slow, you experience ghosting / blurring on moving images. When its instant, you have no blurring and no ghosting at all. Best examples would be a VA monitor or TV vs a CRT monitor, one is slow the other is instant regardless of refresh rate.

 

Refresh rate / frequency, is the speed in which a display can process a full screens worth of pixels ( a frame) per second, this is not the speed in which a pixel can transition but rather the speed in which it can be 'told' to transition.

 

If the pixel response speed is slower than the rate in which the monitor is refreshing, then the pixel cannot fully transition to the intended color before its being told to transition to the next, this results in a blurring / ghosting effect.

 

So, in regards to what this would look like, it depends entirely on how acute ones vision is. Just as some people cannot notice the difference between 60hz and 120hz, some people wont notice ghosting unless its truly terrible.

When we are talking about the difference between a 144hz 10ms IPS display and a 144hz 4ms TN, the difference is small, BUT, for some can still easily be seen. Where the TN panel 'may' be able to show a fast moving object moving across the screen where text on that object is readable even at high speed, the IPS will not be readable due to the slight ghosting/blurring that will be present. It may not be as noticeable as an even slower VA panel running at maybe 12ms where larger more bold details will have obvious ghosting, but it will be their and will affect the sharpness of fine detail on moving objects.

 

Both screens will still 'feel' fast and smooth as they are running 144hz, but one will be crisper in regards to moving objects, while the other will not be.

 

How much you notice is entirely down to the individual.

 

if your going for 144hz or higher for the purpose of gaming, IMO its really not worth looking at anything other than a good TN, otherwise whats the point of going 144hz for the advantage if ur willing to sacrifice some of that advantage on an IPS or VA.