Ryzen 5 2400g or 3 2200g

[Tom Kingston]

I'm doing a cheap Apu build and I'm unsure whether to get the ryzen 5 2400g (STOCK COOLER) or ryzen 3 2200g w/ wraith max

 

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, Tom Kingston said:

I'm doing a cheap Apu build and I'm unsure whether to get the ryzen 5 2400g (STOCK COOLER) or ryzen 3 2200g w/ wraith max

 

If it fits the budget, the 2400g is a better APU.  Only you know your budget

 

[jerubedo]

2 hours ago, Tom Kingston said:

I'm doing a cheap Apu build and I'm unsure whether to get the ryzen 5 2400g (STOCK COOLER) or ryzen 3 2200g w/ wraith max

 

What's the use case? I'm going to assume gaming? If so honestly the 2200g is the better value. It largely performs about the same, and when the 2400g does pull ahead it isn't by much and the 2200g costs way less. So that would be my vote if the budget is tight.

 

Data:

 

all 720p

00:01 - Fortnite: Battle Royale | low (textures & AA medium) - this title shows the biggest gains out of them all, a big win for the 2400g

01:34 - Dirt Rally | medium - largely the same

03:55 - Dota 2 | lowest - largely the same

05:05 - Far Cry 5 | low (TAA)  - largely the same 

05:57 - Assassin’s Creed Origins | low - largely the same

07:39 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege | medium - a win for the 2400g

08:28 - CS:GO | low - largely the same

09:56 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim SE | medium (TAA) - small win for 2400g

11:05 - The Witcher 3 | low (high textures) - small win for 2400g

 

So 5 games perform about the same, 2 have a small advantage on the 2400g, 1 has a medium advantage on the 2400g, and 1 has a big advantage on the 2400g. So, is that worth the extra $55 (where the total budget is likely $300)? That's an 36.66 (repeating of course) percent increase in price for an average gain of  ~6.5% (rough math there).

[CodeNova]

2 hours ago, Tom Kingston said:

I'm doing a cheap Apu build and I'm unsure whether to get the ryzen 5 2400g (STOCK COOLER) or ryzen 3 2200g w/ wraith max

 

if your system is going to be "graphics card-less", the 2400g would work better.

[jerubedo]

4 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

if your system is going to be "graphics card-less", the 2400g would work better.

It's a 38% price difference for a 7% gain (see my data above). At a tight budget it's likely not worth it.

[CodeNova]

11 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

It's a 38% price difference for a 7% gain (see my data above). At a tight budget it's likely not worth it.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-8-Ryzen-iGPU/m401440vsm441833

its a 52% gain if hes running a system with only the integrated graphics.

[jerubedo]

29 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-8-Ryzen-iGPU/m401440vsm441833

its a 52% gain if hes running a system with only the integrated graphics.

Those are all on-paper specs. In theory yes. In practice, no. If you click into the data reported from users it's all benchmarks: 3DMark. My data above in that video is real world gaming data.

 

EDIT: AND if you click into the data you can see that the graphical portion of that 3D benchmark had these results:

 

D3D 10:

21% 49.9 fps on the 2400g

22% 50.1 fps on the 2200g

 

Functionally the same in that regard. The extra points that the 2400g got are all on the CPU performance part of the test, but alas the iGPU is not able to take advantage of all that extra CPU.

[CodeNova]

7 hours ago, jerubedo said:

is real world gaming data.

here's my source link (its a nice read too)

From that data set, looking at the max frames per second, the largest percent difference is Fortnite @ 1080, Medium Quality, a 35% increase. Looking at the minimum frames per second, the largest percent difference is Star-wars Battlefield II @ 720, Low Quality, a 64% increase.

 

I attached my spreadsheet so a third party can tell me I'm wrong, or that I shouldn't have calculated the percent difference, or that I smoke wayyyy to much crack.

data.xlsx

[jerubedo]

7 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

here's my source link (its a nice read too)

From that data set, looking at the max frames per second, the largest percent difference is Fortnite @ 1080, Medium Quality, a 35% increase. Looking at the minimum frames per second, the largest percent difference is Star-wars Battlefield II @ 720, Low Quality, a 64% increase.

 

I attached my spreadsheet so a third party can tell me I'm wrong, or that I shouldn't have calculated the percent difference, or that I smoke wayyyy to much crack.

data.xlsx

This data is indeed good. Just a note, the higher numbers were not Maximum frame rate, they were average. It's average and 1% lows. So if we look at the entire data set and then get the average, you get a grand total of a 15% gain in average frame rate and a 19% gain in 1% lows. That's a bit more of a gain than my original data (because the original data was only 720p and because this new set tests quite a few more games).

 

So that being said we now have a 38% price increase for a 15% gain in averages (or 19% lows). That COULD make the 2400g more worth it but at that point it's really going to be a personal decision. Both of them will perform above 60 FPS in the same titles and under 60 FPS in the others, so if you're on a 60Hz monitor I'd still probably lean 2200g for the cash.

[CodeNova]

18 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Just a note, the higher numbers were not Maximum frame rate, they were average. It's average and 1% lows.

I totally over looked that, thanks.

 

43 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

So that being said we now have a 38% price increase for a 15% gain in averages (or 19% lows).

I don't think it would be a 38% price increase.

According to PCpartspicker (USD)

The ryzen 5 2400g can be had for 149.39.

The ryzen 3 2200g with the wraith max is going for 134.22.

 

That's only a 11% difference. I would think an 11% price increase for a 15% gain on average or 19% lows is justifiable.

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

I don't think it would be a 38% price increase.

According to PCpartspicker (USD)

The ryzen 5 2400g can be had for 149.39.

The ryzen 3 2200g with the wraith max is going for 134.22.

 

That's only a 11% difference. I would think an 11% price increase for a 15% gain on average or 19% lows is justifiable.

The 2200G has retailed at $100 ish for a long time, so if that were the price being considered then that's likely better value, but if the cheapest 2200G you can get is $130+ then the 2400G is what you want.

[CodeNova]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

The 2200G has retailed at $100 ish for a long time, so if that were the price being considered then that's likely better value, but if the cheapest 2200G you can get is $130+ then the 2400G is what you want.

I was under the impression the OP was going to purchase a wrath max cooler in addition to the 2200g, the 2200g is still 100ish. Unless I'm ill informed and the 2200g comes with the wrath max (I have no idea what cooler comes in the box).

 

11 hours ago, Tom Kingston said:

I'm doing a cheap Apu build and I'm unsure whether to get the ryzen 5 2400g (STOCK COOLER) or ryzen 3 2200g w/ wraith max

 

 

[Fasauceome]

14 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

I was under the impression the OP was going to purchase a wrath max cooler in addition to the 2200g, the 2200g is still 100ish. Unless I'm ill informed and the 2200g comes with the wrath max (I have no idea what cooler comes in the box).

I must have misread the listings, 2200G is at $100

[jerubedo]

14 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

I must have misread the listings, 2200G is at $100

 

39 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

The ryzen 5 2400g can be had for 149.39.

The ryzen 3 2200g with the wraith max is going for 134.22.

 

Just to be crystal clear:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$94.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$94.89
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-17 01:00 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$149.39 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$149.39
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-17 01:00 EDT-0400

 

indeed a 38% difference 

 

36% difference. Apparently I couldn't math earlier  

[jerubedo]

36 minutes ago, CodeNova said:

I was under the impression the OP was going to purchase a wrath max cooler in addition to the 2200g, the 2200g is still 100ish. Unless I'm ill informed and the 2200g comes with the wrath max (I have no idea what cooler comes in the box).

Actually I may have overlooked that point as well. I didn't take note of the Max part. @Tom Kingston there would be no reason to buy the wraith max. The stock 2200g cooler is more than sufficient.