Watercooling Additive question

[CharminUltraStrong]

Hey all, looking to do a full watercooling set up inside of my rig with a custom pc-o11 DW res. Looking at glass tubing, carbon fiber, copper, possibly stainless steel etc. (definitely not soft tubing). Any who my question is can I add flourescein to a water cooling setup? I'm aware that there are UV reactive fluids but I'm more interested in using flourescein and its intensity. 

 

Things I am worried about is that the mixture of phthalic anhydride, sulfuric acid, and resorcinol could hurt the reservoir or pump parts (as these parts are acrylic, plastic, rubber etc.). Since, cough cough it's sulfuric acid and is known to irritate the skin. Though a small mixture is so concentrated that you only need to dilute a couple drops in water. So I'm wondering if it'll even be a concern considering how little is required.

[ELSknutson]

http://www.performance-pcs.com/watercooling-fluids-additives

 

allot of the fluids have it in them already. I personalty wouldn't add it straight up though because it can break down the rubber in your system. The people that make the UV fluid have tested and mesured out the proper amounts to use to insure it does not break down parts in your system. 

[W-L]

5 hours ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

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Go with proper premixed fluids don't start mixing chemicals to use as an additive especially something acidic as loops are suppose to be generally neutral to slightly basic to prevent corrosion. You can get fluids that are UV based or add in UV dyes to make it florescence.

[CharminUltraStrong]

2 hours ago, W-L said:

Go with proper premixed fluids don't start mixing chemicals to use as an additive especially something acidic as loops are suppose to be generally neutral to slightly basic to prevent corrosion. You can get fluids that are UV based or add in UV dyes to make it florescence.

That's what I'll probably go with then instead of experimenting with creating my own concentration. Not sure how additional additives would balance the ph out.

[W-L]

3 minutes ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

That's what I'll probably go with then instead of experimenting with creating my own concentration. Not sure how additional additives would balance the ph out.

If you get a base fluid with the necessary biocides and anticorrosives, a UV additive will not affect it's effectiveness as long as they are compatible additives. Mayhems makes a lot of good additives including both UV and UV fluids. It just depends on the coloring you're going for. 

[Benjeh]

15 hours ago, W-L said:

Go with proper premixed fluids don't start mixing chemicals to use as an additive especially something acidic as loops are suppose to be generally neutral to slightly basic to prevent corrosion. You can get fluids that are UV based or add in UV dyes to make it florescence.

This, You wouldn't hire a plumber to paint your bedroom.

 

Use the correct stuff for the job and you'll have less issues, premixed stuff makes life generally much easier. Carbon fibre tube sounds like a leak waiting to happen to me so i'd personally avoid that too.

[CharminUltraStrong]

19 hours ago, Benjeh said:

This, You wouldn't hire a plumber to paint your bedroom.

 

Use the correct stuff for the job and you'll have less issues, premixed stuff makes life generally much easier. Carbon fibre tube sounds like a leak waiting to happen to me so i'd personally avoid that too.

I'd be able to prevent the leaks, I'm simply trying to figure out which I prefer aesthetically since it's going to be a white and gold build. I think  carbon tubes w/gold fittings and white vue or opaque fluid in the res would be nice

[Benjeh]

Just now, CharminUltraStrong said:

I'd be able to prevent the leaks, I'm simply trying to figure out which I prefer aesthetically since it's going to be a white and gold build. I think  carbon tubes w/gold fittings and white vue or opaque fluid in the res would be nice

how? and how long will your solution last? how will you stop fibres inside coming free? if you coat it in a chemical, how will you stop the fluid eroding it over time? you're making a simple part of the build overly complex, vue has powder in it which will speed up the former, if i was you i'd use glass tube then wrap it in carbon vinyl, high quality stuff though or it will look shit.

[W-L]

2 hours ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

I'd be able to prevent the leaks, I'm simply trying to figure out which I prefer aesthetically since it's going to be a white and gold build. I think  carbon tubes w/gold fittings and white vue or opaque fluid in the res would be nice

 

2 hours ago, Benjeh said:

how? and how long will your solution last? how will you stop fibres inside coming free? if you coat it in a chemical, how will you stop the fluid eroding it over time? you're making a simple part of the build overly complex, vue has powder in it which will speed up the former, if i was you i'd use glass tube then wrap it in carbon vinyl, high quality stuff though or it will look shit.

Carbon fiber tubing is acceptable as tubing as long as it is the manufacturing process for it was under vacuum to remove any air pockets or potential paths for leaking or was sealed after the fact.  You will need to research which ones are good for use in watercooling as not all carbon fiber tube will be water right. 

 

As mentioned vue fluid is very abrasive due to the particles in the fluid and can wear nickel plating and such from extended use. 

[Benjeh]

10 minutes ago, W-L said:

 

Carbon fiber tubing is acceptable as tubing as long as it is the manufacturing process for it was under vacuum to remove any air pockets or potential paths for leaking or was sealed after the fact.  You will need to research which ones are good for use in watercooling as not all carbon fiber tube will be water right. 

 

As mentioned vue fluid is very abrasive due to the particles in the fluid and can wear nickel plating and such from extended use. 

I've researched carbon fibre for use on motorcycles for a few of my projects, i've seen petrol tanks made of the composite combined with petrol resistant resins hand made in peoples garages etc etc. what gives carbon fibre its strength and such is actually the resin but i don't think its a long term option from what i've researched. CF petrol tanks have a short lifespan compared to metal ones if actually used instead of being confined to museums or shows.

The resin is what seals the strands of fibre, it breaks down overtime, you need to go to extreme lengths to ensure you do not breathe a single bit of the dust cutting the carbon fibre its lethal to your health, you can buy carbon fibre crash helmets but there have been reports of inhaled dust from crashes causing severe health problems. I have no idea how long the resin will last in the fibre and this is something you need to ask the people who make it, the fluid is moving, it will break it down faster then if it does leech how will it affect the blocks?

You also need special tools to cut the carbon fibre, i wouldn't recommend a dremel due to dust, you will need goggles, respirrator and gloves, full sleeve, if it comes in contact with your skin you will itch and be in pain for days or weeks.

Too much hassle for me, rather use glass and wrap with actaul carbon wrap.....

[CharminUltraStrong]

2 hours ago, Benjeh said:

how? and how long will your solution last? how will you stop fibres inside coming free? if you coat it in a chemical, how will you stop the fluid eroding it over time? you're making a simple part of the build overly complex, vue has powder in it which will speed up the former, if i was you i'd use glass tube then wrap it in carbon vinyl, high quality stuff though or it will look shit.

Carbon vinyl is cheap, tacky and incredibly unattractive. You know it's an imitation from a mile away.

Carbon tubing is a semi common form of rigid tubing in the water cooling community, Linus has even done a video discussing it,

Carbon tubing will be fine with vue, unless my fluid has an ethyl group chemical (xylene, trimethylbenzene, butoxyethanol etc.), or metal dust in it's not going to erode lmao. I own all of the necessary equipment. Masks, resp's, a spare sand blasting cabinet to cut it in etc.

[CharminUltraStrong]

40 minutes ago, W-L said:

As mentioned vue fluid is very abrasive due to the particles in the fluid and can wear nickel plating and such from extended use. 

Yeah I've seen, I'm not worried about it hurting a resin in tubes though and I'm not terribly worried about it gunking everything up since I'm completely fine with a once every 2 months or so deep clean. I clean my entire computer as it is several times in a month and have a fun time doing it.

[Benjeh]

40 minutes ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

Carbon vinyl is cheap, tacky and incredibly unattractive. You know it's an imitation from a mile away.

Carbon tubing is a semi common form of rigid tubing in the water cooling community, Linus has even done a video discussing it,

Carbon tubing will be fine with vue, unless my fluid has an ethyl group chemical (xylene, trimethylbenzene, butoxyethanol etc.), or metal dust in it's not going to erode lmao. I own all of the necessary equipment. Masks, resp's, a spare sand blasting cabinet to cut it in etc.

So Vue can erode metal plating but not epoxy? I see. Hop to it old chap, take one for the team, I found a few old posts but then they never followed up and disappeared from the forums on which they posted.

 

Will be interested if you stick around in order to post results, or will you too suddenly vanish with no follow up? oooooh much excite.

[W-L]

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[Benjeh]

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[CharminUltraStrong]

12 minutes ago, W-L said:

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