Value graphics card for 4k?

[Allptraum1989]

Hello,

i think i have to replace my good ol' 970 strix. My games run on max 30fps on 2540p on my 4k screen on medium settings.

Also it sounds like a braking train. Damn coil whining...

 

I want a good value card but i also want to be able to game at 4k. (Games like Black Ops 3 / 4). Also for blender rendering in cycles.

 

I have thought about getting a GTX 1080, since its price has fallen down to 470€ where i live.

 

However, the GTX 1880 seems also tempting. But i can't even find release date informations.

Do you guys have any idea when the 1880 is going to see the light of the day?

Or, maybe even more important, what will it cost?

 

The GTX 1080 ti still is a bit too expensive since it costs almost TWICE as much as the 1080 for a measly 20% performance increase...

 

What do you think?

[Fasauceome]

8 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Do you guys have any idea when the 1880 is going to see the light of the day

It might not (I assume you mean 1680?) Because Nvidia likely doesn't want to release non-rtx versions as people would favor those versions.

 

9 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

The GTX 1080 ti still is a bit too expensive since it costs almost TWICE as much as the 1080 for a measly 20% performance increase...

What about used graphics cards?

[Snipergod87]

4k resolution sadly doesn't really mean budget

[Spotty]

8 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

However, the GTX 1880 seems also tempting. But i can't even find release date informations. 

Do you guys have any idea when the 1880 is going to see the light of the day?

Or, maybe even more important, what will it cost?

The what? Unless you know something I don't, there is no GTX 1880. There's a 1660Ti, with plans to release a 1660 and 1650.

Best bet would probably be a 2nd hand 1080Ti.

[Allptraum1989]

Just now, Spotty said:

The what? Unless you know something I don't, there is no GTX 1880. There's a 1660Ti, with plans to release a 1660 and 1650.

Best bet would probably be a 2nd hand 1080Ti.

Oh, i assumed NV would release something like a 1880, since they released a 1660.

 

I really do not want to buy any expensive second hand electronics. They could have done WHATEVER to them. Microwave them or some shit.

Maybe it crashes every two hours. Or maybe it won't work at all and the seller will say i broke it. You can't really tell that on electronics.

Gotta love the warranty.

[Allptraum1989]

3 minutes ago, Snipergod87 said:

4k resolution sadly doesn't really mean budget

The definition of budget differs. I had 500-600€ in mind.

Others won't even buy a full rig for that price.

I think for 500-600€ you can definitely get a gpu that's able to play 2015 titles in 4k

[Allptraum1989]

7 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

It might not (I assume you mean 1680?) Because Nvidia likely doesn't want to release non-rtx versions as people would favor those versions.

 

What about used graphics cards?

Hecking nvidia...

Develops a completely unnecessary and overly expensive feature absolutely NO ONE asked for and now it's on every even remotely performant turing card...

 

As i replied to Spotty, i really do not want to buy expensive second hand hardware. Maybe it is microwaved and will break in a few weeks time. Maybe it has coil whining, maybe it's a fake, maybe it's broken and the seller will blame me for breaking it. Gotta love the warranty.

[Fasauceome]

11 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

As i replied to Spotty, i really do not want to buy expensive second hand hardware. Maybe it is microwaved and will break in a few weeks time. Maybe it has coil whining, maybe it's a fake, maybe it's broken and the seller will blame me for breaking it. Gotta love the warranty.

eBay has purchase protection, buying a fake or DOA product is protected. As for longevity, well, it's kinda hard to ruin a card so quickly you almost have to do it on purpose. I dropped over $800 on my new graphics card and it was used, I have a lot of confidence in eBay. Not to mention, brand new cards can have plenty of coil whine. If you're just rubbed the wrong way from used goods, you're definitely missing out.

 

13 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Develops a completely unnecessary and overly expensive feature absolutely NO ONE asked for and now it's on every even remotely performant turing card...

For budget 4k, the 1660 ti probably wouldn't be awful. It's a huge leap from your 970 that's for sure, but if you want more the 2060 and a good overclock goes a long way. The 2080 filled in the price bracket for the 1080 ti so if you find the 2080 at a more reasonable price than the 1090 ti you might find it more appealing.

[Allptraum1989]

18 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

eBay has purchase protection, buying a fake or DOA product is protected. As for longevity, well, it's kinda hard to ruin a card so quickly you almost have to do it on purpose. I dropped over $800 on my new graphics card and it was used, I have a lot of confidence in eBay. Not to mention, brand new cards can have plenty of coil whine. If you're just rubbed the wrong way from used goods, you're definitely missing out.

 

For budget 4k, the 1660 ti probably wouldn't be awful. It's a huge leap from your 970 that's for sure, but if you want more the 2060 and a good overclock goes a long way. The 2080 filled in the price bracket for the 1080 ti so if you find the 2080 at a more reasonable price than the 1090 ti you might find it more appealing.

I could imagine people microwaving bad cards (so they work for like another two months, as linus showed in one vid), so they could at least sell them before they break... Ebays DOA protection would certainly not cover that. Nah, i go with the warranty.

 

The 1660ti would also be nice, that's right. Also it's based on the new architecture. However the 1080 is still a good 35% more performant as well as 2gb extra vram which could be useful for blender. I need this card to last at least three years while being able to game at at least 1440p

 

Is a regular 1080 able to run 2015 titles like bo3 or 2018 wow: boa at 4k60? Or at least 4k40fps?

My overclocked 970 runs them at 30-40fps at 1440p

[Allptraum1989]

50 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

I could imagine people microwaving bad cards (so they work for like another two months, as linus showed in one vid), so they could at least sell them before they break... Ebays DOA protection would certainly not cover that. Nah, i go with the warranty.

 

The 1660ti would also be nice, that's right. Also it's based on the new architecture. However the 1080 is still a good 35% more performant as well as 2gb extra vram which could be useful for blender. I need this card to last at least three years while being able to game at at least 1440p

 

Is a regular 1080 able to run 2015 titles like bo3 or 2018 wow: boa at 4k60? Or at least 4k40fps?

My overclocked 970 runs them at 30-40fps at 1440p

Actually, i've did some calculations.

The 1080 should achieve 4k at 56.446fps where my gtx 970 did 60 at 1512p     

 

Some comparisons:

gtx 970:     29.39 fps

gtx 1660ti: 42.34 fps

gtx 1080:   56.44 fps

gtx 1080ti: 69.01 fps

titan rtx:   101.43 fps   

 

 

 

i've benchmarked my 970 again. turns out it wasn't 1440p@40 but 1512p@60

[Wormhole]

26 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Actually, i've did some calculations.

The 1080 should achieve 4k at 56.446fps where my gtx 970 did 60 at 1512p     

 

Some comparisons:

gtx 970:     29.39 fps

gtx 1660ti: 42.34 fps

gtx 1080:   56.44 fps

gtx 1080ti: 69.01 fps

titan rtx:   101.43 fps   

 

 

 

i've benchmarked my 970 again. turns out it wasn't 1440p@40 but 1512p@60

You can get a used 1080Ti for the same price as a RTX 2070 or less

[Allptraum1989]

7 minutes ago, Wormhole said:

You can get a used 1080Ti for the same price as a RTX 2070 or less

Like i've said... i do not trust ebay sellers when it comes to expensive things. I want to be able to call in a year later in case that my gpu suddenly dies...

But you've brought me an idea! The 2080 is performancewise more or less the same as a 1080ti minus the 3gb extra vram.

However, it's approx 100€ cheaper!

 

Or for my budget, i could just get a new 2070 for +-20€ the same price as a 1080! The 2070 is slightly faster, uses turing and uses gddr6

[Wormhole]

4 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Like i've said... i do not trust ebay sellers when it comes to expensive things. I want to be able to call in a year later in case that my gpu suddenly dies...

But you've brought me an idea! The 2080 is performancewise more or less the same as a 1080ti minus the 3gb extra vram.

However, it's approx 100€ cheaper!

 

Or for my budget, i could just get a new 2070 for +-20€ the same price as a 1080! The 2070 is slightly faster, uses turing and uses gddr6

Use PayPal with eBay so you have buyer protection, don't get a 2070 I use one for 4k and its shit the 2060 is pretty much the same performance. You're better off with a 2060, 1080Ti or 2080.

[Allptraum1989]

32 minutes ago, Wormhole said:

Use PayPal with eBay so you have buyer protection, don't get a 2070 I use one for 4k and its shit the 2060 is pretty much the same performance. You're better off with a 2060, 1080Ti or 2080.

What exactly do you mean by "it's shit"?

I don't mind going down to 40fps or turning down some graphics settings to medium.

Neither am i playing the newest AAA titles.

 

I also think that the 20% performance gap between the 2070 and 2060 is pretty important. It can make the difference between 45 or 60 fps

[Wormhole]

2 hours ago, Allptraum1989 said:

What exactly do you mean by "it's shit"?

By comparing it to a 1080Ti which is the same price with better performance at 4k, the 2070 is only 13% faster than a 2060 not worth the $150-200 price increase.

[Daniel644]

10 hours ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Like i've said... i do not trust ebay sellers when it comes to expensive things. I want to be able to call in a year later in case that my gpu suddenly dies...

But you've brought me an idea! The 2080 is performancewise more or less the same as a 1080ti minus the 3gb extra vram.

However, it's approx 100€ cheaper!

 

Or for my budget, i could just get a new 2070 for +-20€ the same price as a 1080! The 2070 is slightly faster, uses turing and uses gddr6

a year later you wouldn't be calling the ebayer or the store you bought from, you would be going to the MANUFACTURE for a warranty claim. this is why MANUFACTURE WARRANTIES aren't "store warranties".

 

you want TOP OF THE LINE gaming performance on a budget, you have to either spend the money on the cards capable of the performance you want or settle for lower performance or wait till cards with the level of performance you want exist at your price point, we call this wanting Wine and Caviar but you are on a Beer and Cheese budget.

[Ankerson]

13 hours ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Hello,

i think i have to replace my good ol' 970 strix. My games run on max 30fps on 2540p on my 4k screen on medium settings.

Also it sounds like a braking train. Damn coil whining...

 

I want a good value card but i also want to be able to game at 4k. (Games like Black Ops 3 / 4). Also for blender rendering in cycles.

 

I have thought about getting a GTX 1080, since its price has fallen down to 470€ where i live.

 

However, the GTX 1880 seems also tempting. But i can't even find release date informations.

Do you guys have any idea when the 1880 is going to see the light of the day?

Or, maybe even more important, what will it cost?

 

The GTX 1080 ti still is a bit too expensive since it costs almost TWICE as much as the 1080 for a measly 20% performance increase...

 

What do you think?

 

If you want to play at 4K then budget is not even relevant.

 

GTX 1080Ti, RTX 2080 and RTX 2080Ti are the 4K GPU's.

[MeatFeastMan]

For 4k...there's 2 real options for buying new. The rtx 2080 and the radeon vii. The absolute bare minimum for 4k is the 2070. But the value of that card is pathetic quite frankly. (The 2080 and radeon vii are also just as bad value). If you can wait, then wait. The flagship navi midrange part will offer the 1080 level performance you want but for a reasonable price.

 

If you can't wait, I'd recommend the radeon vii over the 2080. That 16gb vram will give it an edge in 2 years time. We are approaching that 8gb vram at 4k ultra and by the end of this year we will likely surpass it. By mid of next year, games will probably push the 10gb area. That's when the 2080 will start to get stuttery. The radeon VII will have no such issues. Ray tracing isn't yet implemented right, and it'll take 2 to 3 years before we get ray tracing done properly. That's why I believe the radeon VII is better than people give it credit for.

 

Not to mention most compared the founders edition 2080 to the radeon vii in their reviews, which is downright unfair considering the founders edition actually has better specs than the board partners and costs 100 more.

 

Wait until navi, get their flagship for like 300-400 euros. That's the best thing to do in this situation. You won't hit 60 fps at 4k with it, but at low and medium you can reach 60.

 

 

Oh..and black ops 4 eats that vram for breakfast. Radeon VII performs better than the rtx 2080 in that game, ESPECIALLY at 4k.

 

[Allptraum1989]

1 hour ago, Ankerson said:

 

If you want to play at 4K then budget is not even relevant.

 

GTX 1080Ti, RTX 2080 and RTX 2080Ti are the 4K GPU's.

 

1 hour ago, Daniel644 said:

a year later you wouldn't be calling the ebayer or the store you bought from, you would be going to the MANUFACTURE for a warranty claim. this is why MANUFACTURE WARRANTIES aren't "store warranties".

 

you want TOP OF THE LINE gaming performance on a budget, you have to either spend the money on the cards capable of the performance you want or settle for lower performance or wait till cards with the level of performance you want exist at your price point, we call this wanting Wine and Caviar but you are on a Beer and Cheese budget.

Budget does not mean for little money...

I am still planning on spending about $600 on a gpu alone.

My 970 handles the games i play at 1512p at 60fps.

So a 100% increase (the 2070 has a 104% increase)  in performance should be able to kick it up to 4k@60 at medium settings which is my goal.

 

A 1080ti / 2080 or better would only be necessary for the newest graphically demanding titles on ultra settings which is not what i'm playing.

 

I've ran the numbers and a 2070 (which is basically a 1080 performancewise) would be perfect at about 59.98 fps for my most played title, while a 2060 would only manage to push 49.69 fps. Tests on youtube confirm my calculations by showing that a 2070 handles most newer games at round about 60fps at fairly high graphics settings.

*I've calculated fps for the 2070 and 2060 afterwards, hence they are not in the list below.

*Calculations are for Black Ops 3 on medium-high settings at 4k.

13 hours ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Actually, i've did some calculations.

The 1080 should achieve 4k at 56.446fps where my gtx 970 did 60 at 1512p     

 

Some comparisons:

gtx 970:     29.39 fps

gtx 1660ti: 42.34 fps

gtx 1080:   56.44 fps

gtx 1080ti: 69.01 fps

titan rtx:   101.43 fps

I am not shooting for 100fps in the newest AAA titles. I just want to rock black ops 3 / WoW / maybe even black ops 4 / ww2 at 4k@60 at medium to high settings.

I would not mind if it runs on 45 fps instead. Neither would i mind turning down a setting or two.

However regarding that i may want to play Black Ops 4, i think it would not be wise to get a gpu which runs the pre-pre-predecessor at just barely 49ps.

I think if it runs Black Ops 3 at 4k@60, it should be able to run Black Ops 4 (which is basically the same game but with active players) at at least 45fps if i dial down a setting or two.

 

My local electronics store (Mediamarkt) has a reputation of being overly expensive but somehow they actually beat amazon regarding pricing on 2070 models.

They offer the Gigabyte variant for 520€ PLUS a free code for either Metro exodus, BattleLGBT V or Anthem which makes it a good offer in my opinion.

 

And this is completely neglecting that i also love to work with blender (cycles), where vram is very much needed, so the extra 2gb (step up from 2060 to 2070) are very much useful. Sure, a 1080ti would be even better for that but it kinda falls out of the price range at nearly 900€ (compared to 520€ for a 2070) where i live.  And no, i will not buy a used gpu.

[MeatFeastMan]

9 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

 

Budget does not mean for little money...

I am still planning on spending about $600 on a gpu alone.

My 970 handles the games i play at something between 1512p at 60fps.

So a 100% increase (the 2070 has a 104% increase)  in performance should be able to kick it up to 4k@60 at medium settings which is my goal.

 

A 1080ti / 2080 or better would only be necessary for the newest graphically demanding titles on ultra settings which is not what i'm playing.

 

I've ran the numbers and a 2070 (which is basically a 1080 performancewise) would be perfect at about 59.98 fps in my most played title, while a 2060 would only manage to push 49.69 fps. Tests on youtube confirm my calculations by showing that a 2070 handles most newer games at round about 60fps at fairly high graphics settings.

*I've calculated fps for the 2070 and 2060 afterwards, hence they are not in the list below.

*Calculations are for Black Ops 3 on medium-high settings at 4k.

I am not shooting for 100fps on the newest AAA titles. I just want to rock black ops 3 / WoW / maybe even black ops 4 / ww2 at 4k@60 at medium to high settings.

I would not mind if it runs on 45 fps instead. Neither would i mind turning down a setting or two.

However regarding that i may want to play Black Ops 4, i think it would not be wise to get a gpu which runs the pre-pre-predecessor at just barely 49ps.

I think if it runs Black Ops 3 at 4k@60, it should be able to run Black Ops 4 (which is basically the same game but with active players) at at least 45fps if i dial down a setting or two.

 

My local electronics store (Mediamarkt) has a reputation of being overly expensive but somehow they actually beat amazon regarding pricing on 2070 models.

They offer the Gigabyte variant for 520€ PLUS a free code for either Metro exodus, BattleLGBT V or Anthem which makes it a good offer in my opinion.

 

And this is completely neglecting that i also love to work with blender (cycles), where vram is very much needed, so the extra 2gb (step up from 2060 to 2070) are very much useful. Sure, a 1080ti would be even better for that but it kinda falls out of the price range at nearly 900€ (compared to 520€ for a 2070) where i live.  And no, i will not buy a used gpu.

You have a use case where the AMD Radeon VII is the perfect choice. 16gb vram will be great for blender.  Black Ops 4 eats vram up like it's nothing, it's awful when it comes to vram usage. Apparently it eats up just over 10gb at 4k ultra, I would recommend the radeon vii for smoothness over the rtx 2080 and 2070 in that specific game.

[Allptraum1989]

3 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

You have a use case where the AMD Radeon VII is the perfect choice. 16gb will be great for blender.  Black Ops 4 eats vram up like it's nothing, it's awful when it comes to vram usage. Apparently it eats up just over 10gb at 4k, I would recommend the radeon vii for smoothness over the rtx 2080 in that specific game.

Wow, my nvidia fanboy head did not even consider a radeon card! The Radeon VII surely looks nice! Like very fucking sweet.

Sadly its pricepoint is not that much different from a rtx 2080 if not even more expensive... The 2080 itself already falls out of my price range.

[MeatFeastMan]

20 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Wow, my nvidia fanboy head did not even consider a radeon card! The Radeon VII surely looks nice! Like very fucking sweet.

Sadly its pricepoint is not that much different from a rtx 2080 if not even more expensive... The 2080 itself already falls out of my price range.

If you want the 8gb vram but don't want to pay that crazy price of the 2070, consider the radeon vii's smaller brothers. Vega 56 or 64 are cheaper than the 2070 and use 8gb hbm2 memory. The vega 56 performs in between the 1660ti and 2060, while the vega 64 performs in between the 1080 and 2070.

 

And for black ops 4, vega has a trick up its sleeve that pascal and turing don't. HBCC is a feature that allows vega to keep stable framerates (Also for stuff like blender as you mention) if you run out of vram by allocating the extra memory needed to that hbcc controller so it can put the extra vram needs into other storage like ssd or ram. People always forget about hbcc.