Is it bottlenecking?

[Crunken]

So i upgraded my GPU last week to a gigabyte 2060 but i'm wondering if my i7 4770 non k is bottlenecking me? i get like 80-90fps in BFV but in less cpu intensive games like for honor/apex legends i get over 140fps, do i need to upgrade CPU for the other games or can i upgrade ram or something to make it run better for less money?

Specs:

CPU    
Intel® Core™ i7-4770
Motherboard    
MSI H97 GAMING 3, Socket-1150
RAM    
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB
GPU    
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 GAMING OC
Case    
Fractal Design Define R5
Storage    
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB (Boot) WD Desktop Blue 1TB (Main storage) Samsung 850 EVO 250GB (Fast storage for main games)
PSU    
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 550W

[Firewrath9]

no, it should be good for now. mabye a ram upgrade (you can get a cheap used stick of 8gb DDR3 for ~30$.

[BrinkGG]

1 minute ago, Crunken said:

So i upgraded my GPU last week to a gigabyte 2060 but i'm wondering if my i7 4770 non k is bottlenecking me? i get like 80-90fps in BFV but in less cpu intensive games like for honor/apex legends i get over 140fps, do i need to upgrade CPU for the other games or can i upgrade ram or something to make it run better for less money?

Specs:

CPU    
Intel® Core™ i7-4770
Motherboard    
MSI H97 GAMING 3, Socket-1150
RAM    
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB
GPU    
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 GAMING OC
Case    
Fractal Design Define R5
Storage    
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB (Boot) WD Desktop Blue 1TB (Main storage) Samsung 850 EVO 250GB (Fast storage for main games)
PSU    
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 550W

Open task manager to the Performance tab while playing, then check your CPU usage when playing. If your CPU is hitting 100% when playing a game, then yes. It is bottle-necking. 

[Firewrath9]

Just now, Brink2Three said:

Open task manager to the Performance tab while playing, then check your CPU usage when playing. If your CPU is hitting 100% when playing a game, then yes. It is bottle-necking. 

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task manager is pretty shit at reporting stuff. I really like my 0.0ghz CPU.

 

 

OP: use afterburner for CPU+GPU analysis.

[Fasauceome]

In battlefield, yes, that 4770 is not having a good time. In your other titles, no, it's all good 

[SkilledRebuilds]

CPU's DO NOT have to be 100% to induce a bottleneck.

 

Only the rendering thread/s and what the game wants to use....

 

Hence why Singlecore is so important... when games only use 2-4 threads,.. CPU isn't at 100%, yet the GPU usage can suffer due to the 2threads (cores in use) are not fast enough to match the GPU needs.

[BrinkGG]

Just now, Firewrath9 said:

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task manager is pretty shit at reporting stuff. I really like my 0.0ghz CPU.

 

 

OP: use afterburner for CPU+GPU analysis.

Task manager gives him a ballpark. I'm giving him an option that doesn't require him to install a different program. 

To each their own though.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Just now, fasauceome said:

In battlefield, yes, that 4770 is not having a good time. In your other titles, no, it's all good 

I can get to over 10 titles than use 6+ threads now and have high usage on 4c8t machines.

 

8Threads is MIN 2019 for SMOOTH enough frametimes, but won't be for much longer...

[SkilledRebuilds]

1 minute ago, Brink2Three said:

Task manager gives him a ballpark. I'm giving him an option that doesn't require him to install a different program. 

To each their own though.

Ballparks can be WAY WAY off in Task manager tho.. it legit cannot read all systems correctly.

 

My CPU is 4.5Ghz, it says i'm currently at 4Ghz.

My FX8 is at 3.7Ghz,.. TM says its 3.54Ghz...

It's not accurate for ballparks even.

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

I can get to over 10 titles than use 6+ threads now and have high usage on 4c8t machines.

 

8Threads is MIN 2019 for SMOOTH enough frametimes, but won't be for much longer...

I can't tell if this is in agreement or not.

[BrinkGG]

1 minute ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Ballparks can be WAY WAY off in Task manager tho..

 

My CPU is 4.5Ghz, it says im 4Ghz.

 

My FX8 is at 3.7Ghz,.. TM says its 3.54Ghz...

Task manager reports stock speeds correctly, breaks when reporting overclocked CPU clocks, but I've still seen fairly close readings for many games I've played. Within 5% of Afterburner for games I've had to troubleshoot (R6, Apex, CS, etc.)

[SkilledRebuilds]

7 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

I can't tell if this is an agreement or not.

I'm not out to disagree or agree intentionally, I'm say stating what I experience too.
Many games drive CPU usages up (these days), you said only Battlefield and then said... "In your other titles, no, it's all good"

 

But we don't know the future of his gaming requirements, But trends currently show 6Thread aware game engines are common,..best to let him know that it isn't just Battlefield seeing 80-100% CPU usage on 8 threads time to time...

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Many games drive CPU usages up (these days), you said only Battlefield and then said... "In your other titles, no, it's all good"

He specifically said in other titles like Apex and For Honor he's getting 140 fps which seems to indicate he's not being bottlenecked, hence "all good" so I'm not sure if there's some kind of issue that needs to be pointed out and fixed.

The question was also if OP needs to upgrade CPU for the other games, but if the other games are running fine then the answer would be no.

2 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

But we don't know the future of his gaming requirements, best to let him know that it isn't just Battlefield....

Well obviously we don't know the future, nobody does. It's apparently just battlefield, that's the only one reported to have stuttering/low framerates as of now.

[Mick Naughty]

Not a lot of cpus are good for BFv. I’d say it is the problem. 

[Crunken]

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

He specifically said in other titles like Apex and For Honor he's getting 140 fps which seems to indicate he's not being bottlenecked, hence "all good" so I'm not sure if there's some kind of issue that needs to be pointed out and fixed.

The question was also if OP needs to upgrade CPU for the other games, but if the other games are running fine then the answer would be no.

Well obviously we don't know the future, nobody does. It's apparently just battlefield, that's the only one reported to have stuttering/low framerates as of now.

Tried some more games, seems to be the same issue in Hitman 2 and Destiny 2 as well

[Mick Naughty]

I assume 1080p with those 140 frames. 

 

How about you check the ram while your at it. 8gigs is not enough. Regardless what the internet experts may think. 

This isnt 2008. 

Task manager works well enough to see how the system is working. 

[Crunken]

8 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

I assume 1080p with those 140 frames. 

 

How about you check the ram while your at it. 8gigs is not enough. Regardless what the internet experts may think. 

This isnt 2008. 

Task manager works well enough to see how the system is working. 

Yeah i'll try some more games and use task manager to check tomorrow, but is it worth just upgrading the ram now since i'd have to replace it anyway if i get a new mobo and cpu?

Edit: yeah 1080p 144hz

[Fasauceome]

43 minutes ago, Crunken said:

Tried some more games, seems to be the same issue in Hitman 2 and Destiny 2 as well

Well Hitman I can see being constrained by an older CPU, there's lots of AI to take care of. Although, I thought destiny did a lot better on old CPUs. Either way if the performance is too bogged down with many of your titles a better CPU is in order.

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, Crunken said:

Tried some more games, seems to be the same issue in Hitman 2 and Destiny 2 as well

 

My son doesn't seem to have a problem with destiny 2 on his 8350k; I don't think this is a thread limitation but a frequency one.

[Crunken]

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

Well Hitman I can see being constrained by an older CPU, there's lots of AI to take care of. Although, I thought destiny did a lot better on old CPUs. Either way if the performance is too bogged down with many of your titles a better CPU is in order.

Yeah seems like i'll have to upgrade if i wanna keep 144fps in newer games, rip having to buy new mobo, ram and cpu though

[Zeitec]

4 hours ago, Crunken said:

So i upgraded my GPU last week to a gigabyte 2060 but i'm wondering if my i7 4770 non k is bottlenecking me? i get like 80-90fps in BFV but in less cpu intensive games like for honor/apex legends i get over 140fps, do i need to upgrade CPU for the other games or can i upgrade ram or something to make it run better for less money?

Specs:

CPU    
Intel® Core™ i7-4770
Motherboard    
MSI H97 GAMING 3, Socket-1150
RAM    
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB
GPU    
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 GAMING OC
Case    
Fractal Design Define R5
Storage    
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB (Boot) WD Desktop Blue 1TB (Main storage) Samsung 850 EVO 250GB (Fast storage for main games)
PSU    
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 550W

Eh maybe a bit. Not enough to worry about though. I'd recommending throwing another 8gb of DDR3 1600mhz in there though. If you're getting a bit of stuttering it's probably having to offload to hard drive.

[HoneyBadger84]

Having recently upgraded from a i7 3930k I can tell you in CPU intensive games, there is a huge difference in performance going from that gen to a modern cpu. My example for a game I have been replaying: in Skyhold in Dragon Age Inquisition at the top of the steps looking down at the courtyard area on the old system, I was getting 45-55fps max settings, decreasing settings barely had any effect. Now, with my new system, I'm getting 98-100fps in the same area with my gsync set at 100Hz. Same graphics card in both instances. 

 

So it can be a gigantic leap in performance in some games going from 2011-2013 CPUs to new ones. 

[Crunken]

21 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

I assume 1080p with those 140 frames. 

 

How about you check the ram while your at it. 8gigs is not enough. Regardless what the internet experts may think. 

This isnt 2008. 

Task manager works well enough to see how the system is working. 

Would getting 16gb 1600mhz be better in BFV? (max supported by CPU, can't get DDR4) or should i just save money and buy new ram, mobo and cpu later in the summer instead?

[Mick Naughty]

3 minutes ago, Crunken said:

Would getting 16gb 1600mhz be better in BFV? (max supported by CPU, can't get DDR4) or should i just save money and buy new ram, mobo and cpu later in the summer instead?

You can try it. But like I said, you can simply look at the usage and see where the issues are. 

 

Is that a single 8gig stick or 2 4’s?

[Mick Naughty]

I kinda dealt with the lag but I was on 1440. Used a much weaker card when I played on 1080p. 

 

Ended up upgrading when the new cod came out. Wasn’t gonna continue to suffer like that. Well worth it in every way. Seamless gameplay and high FPS and max detail on 1080p.