Mid-Range/Budget Build

[Johnny Who]

1. Budget & Location

~€800-900 Euro without GPU  Location: EU/the Netherlands

2. Aim

Gaming - CS:GO/EVE:Online/Path of Exile/EU4/Star Citizen?

3. Monitors

At first my current 60hz, in the future a 120-140hz at 1080 or 1440 if possible. Interest in maybe a second monitor along the line.

4. Peripherals

No peripherals needed. Thinking of getting one of those 20-30 euro OEM Win10 licenses.

5. Why are you upgrading?

My current system: I5-2500k / 8GB Ram / GTX7704GB is starting to show its age. Already had to turn off boosting on the CPU as it was crashing due to Overclocking according to the bios whenever it auto-boosted to 3.7mhz.

 

 

So planning on upgrading my system within the next ~3-4 months possibly wait till Zen2 to see how prices develop, right now just doing the research and getting up-to-date on current developments in CPU/GPU. My preference at the moment is with AMD, as i feel it will save me money on the short and long run with a possible upgrade to Zen2 without having to worry about getting a new MB. To split up cost i plan to buy a GPU probably before actual buying a whole new system as i can just stick that in my current system and probably see some benefit already. For GPU budget would be between €450-550 so in the 1070TI/2070/Vega56 range would love some advice for that as well.

 

Here is a SS of what i looked at so far.

 

[Constantin]

Get a better M.2 SSD, like the Samsung EVO 970 MVMe, it's like ~29€ more

The aim at the 2070 if you can, decent card.

[mxk]

It'll be difficult to play any game without the GPU until you get it. The ryzen 5 2600x and all the ryzens (except the 2200g and 2400g) don't have integrated graphics like the intel CPUs do.

 

Also, that motherboard is complete ass for overclocking, the PSU is pretty ass in terms of quality, and why are you spending extra money on a hybrid hard drive when you already have an SSD? Save some money and get a regular mechanical hard drive.

[NunoLava1998]

Don't get the M12II Evo, otherwise looks great

[Johnny Who]

4 minutes ago, mxk. said:

It'll be difficult to play any game without the GPU until you get it. The ryzen 5 2600x and all the ryzens (except the 2200g and 2400g) don't have integrated graphics like the intel CPUs do.

 

Also, that motherboard is complete ass for overclocking, the PSU is pretty ass in terms of quality, and why are you spending extra money on a hybrid hard drive when you already have an SSD? Save some money and get a regular mechanical hard drive.

As i said, i will probably be buying a GPU sooner so that would already be present when i do go and buy a new system as it will already be a upgrade over my current GTX770 anyway and split the cost a bit instead of one bigger purchase.

 

As for overclocking i dont have concrete plans of actually doing any overclocking yet. The PSU i was under the impression Seasonic was a decent PSU manufacture and as for the SSHD it seemed reasonable priced (30-40 more) for a QOL item. If you have any suggestion for replacement of these part id like to hear them.

[Jurrunio]

what site is this? Easier to recommend stuff if I know the price.

 

btw crashing in overclock?

23 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Get a better M.2 SSD, like the Samsung EVO 970 MVMe, it's like ~29€ more

The aim at the 2070 if you can, decent card.

you trolling?

[Johnny Who]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

what site is this? Easier to recommend stuff if I know the price.

 

https://www.megekko.nl/home/

Its in Dutch however, so you might have some issue navigating the site and dont believe they have option to switch language.

[Constantin]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

what site is this? Easier to recommend stuff if I know the price.

 

btw crashing in overclock?

you trolling?

No i do not!!

You are????

Saying to someone is trolling w/o explanation.

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Constantin said:

No i do not!!

You are????

Saying to someone is trolling w/o explanation.

1. 970 Evo is definitely more than 29 EUR more expensive than the MX 500 of the same capacity. Not to mention NVMe SSDs feel the same as SATA SSDs for a normal user.

 

2. 2070 is the absolute worst value in-production card you can buy, somehow managed to stand out from the 20 series which arent known for good value anyway. 15% more performance than a 2060 for 40% extra price. Saying it's a decent card is absolute trolling.

 

I expected better from you...

[Johnny Who]

12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1. 970 Evo is definitely more than 29 EUR more expensive than the MX 500 of the same capacity. Not to mention NVMe SSDs feel the same as SATA SSDs for a normal user.

 

2. 2070 is the absolute worst value in-production card you can buy, somehow managed to stand out from the 20 series which arent known for good value anyway. 15% more performance than a 2060 for 40% extra price. Saying it's a decent card is absolute trolling.

 

I expected better from you...

I think for the 970evo he was talking about the WD 250GB at the bottom of the list and not the MX500 which is indeed only 20-30 more. As for the 2070 i have read the same.

 

 

Also to clarify. The 250gb SSD will be used for Win10 boot, Internet Browser and some general programs and the 500GB for any games that i feel benefit from SSD. 

[Constantin]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1. 970 Evo is definitely more than 29 EUR more expensive than the MX 500 of the same capacity. Not to mention NVMe SSDs feel the same as SATA SSDs for a normal user.

Ok it's 30€ difference that absolutely is worth!

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

2. 2070 is the absolute worst value in-production card you can buy, somehow managed to stand out from the 20 series which arent known for good value anyway. 15% more performance than a 2060 for 40% extra price. Saying it's a decent card is absolute trolling.

 Your numbers are a bit wrong!!

I have the card for almost 2 months now and it is worth every single cents! (1080p)

 

 

[Jurrunio]

If you let me do it:

Spoiler

2600 is still overclockable, but here it's merely a price gauge for the future stuff.

 

changed MX500 500GB to the M.2 version, no performance loss, less cables to manage, and cheaper.

 

Changed the board that's better for overclocking, but still a placeholder like the CPU because new CPUs should bring new boards that are potentially better deals.

 

A big cooler to cool the CPU. I don't know how hot 3rd gen Ryzen will be, but a mid range CPU should be easily handled by the Mugen 5 even when overclocked. If it can't, AMD screwed up.

 

SSHDs are a waste of time, the onboard 8GB cache is just too small to be any useful. If anything, add another M.2 SSD (120GB or larger in capacity) for cache in StoreMI. Not the WD Blue one, explained later.

 

650w PSU should be sufficient for any upgrades you'll use on it, the R5 2600 + RTX 2060 for example only draws 400W max when both are under stress test. You will need 2700X + 2080ti to get near the 600W mark, that's when both are running the most demanding of work. Another reason to use this PSU is the 80+ Gold rating, while I don't know if your country has expensive electricity it is a good choice if it is.. If you won't be getting parts this power hungry in 5-7 years or electricity isnt that expensive, replace the current PSU with the Corsair CX550M.

 

37 minutes ago, Johnny Who said:

I think for the 970evo he was talking about the WD 250GB at the bottom of the list and not the MX500 which is indeed only 20-30 more. As for the 2070 i have read the same.

35 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Ok it's 30€ difference that absolutely is worth!

It's not the 970 Evo being good value, it's the WD Blue SSD being way overpriced. The WD Blue M.2 is a SATA SSD like the MX500, just available in both 2.5" and M.2 form factor (also like the MX500). There's no reason why it can cost 66% as much as the 500GB MX500 with 50% the capacity.

 

37 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Your numbers are a bit wrong!!

I have the card for almost 2 months now and it is worth every single cents! (1080p)

How I get the performance numbers:

 

and I checked the price in the site OP linked me to. Maybe it's worth your cents I don't know, but it's not worth mine.

[Johnny Who]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

If you let me do it:

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and I checked the price in the site OP linked me to. Maybe it's worth your cents I don't know, but it's not worth mine.

 

Thanks for the suggestions and will certainly look at implementing some of those changes. Now as for a GPU.

 

So from what i can tell the general opinion seems to be that the performance increase of a 2070 over a 2060 is, if you are budget building, not worth it. So the only other consideration here i guess is the memory difference of 6 vs 8 GB. Now keeping in mind that in the future i might be interested in running a second monitor, which i wouldn't use to game but to just have side stuff open like internet browser or watching a video etc.. is this something i should take into consideration with the vram difference?

 

Also as i said im considering buying a GPU first and then 2-3 months later a new system. So now the timing for this, from what i understand Navi wont be in stores until Q4 and couldn't quickly find anything on nvidia bringing anything new until next year. So would right now be a good time to purchase a GPU or is there anything at all within the next 2-3 month that could impact the prices?

 

Right now, as i have always had Gigabyte GPU and so far i haven't been disappointed by them i am looking at the https://www.megekko.nl/product/1963/1032612/Nvidia-Videokaarten/Gigabyte-GeForce-RTX-2060-Gaming-OC-6G-Videokaart

 

Which is their premium overclocked 2060 with their windforce cooling solution.

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, Johnny Who said:

is this something i should take into consideration with the vram difference?

Nope, displaying 2D video has next to no effect on vram usage

 

16 minutes ago, Johnny Who said:

So now the timing for this, from what i understand Navi wont be in stores until Q4 and couldn't quickly find anything on nvidia bringing anything new until next year. So would right now be a good time to purchase a GPU or is there anything at all within the next 2-3 month that could impact the prices?

Some say Nvidia will release an even slower GPU, while AMD has nothing coming atm.

 

18 minutes ago, Johnny Who said:

Right now, as i have always had Gigabyte GPU and so far i haven't been disappointed by them i am looking at the https://www.megekko.nl/product/1963/1032612/Nvidia-Videokaarten/Gigabyte-GeForce-RTX-2060-Gaming-OC-6G-Videokaart

 

Which is their premium overclocked 2060 with their windforce cooling solution.

as long as performance goes, they are the same once you overclock them manually.

[Johnny Who]

Is it worth it at least going for a windforce version for the added cooling? I can find 6 different gigabyte 2060 on that site and i can see some are OC and others also have the windforce 3xfan system but otherwise are there any important durability/quality differences? Any suggestion for which one to get, i guess you're saying just get the cheapest one and OC it yourself. 

[Guest]

Have a similar build, differences are r5 2600 32 gb's ram and a 1060. There was a leak about the coming gtx 1660 release, maybe that can be an option or the new navi cards though i'm not sure when those are for release. Went all be quiet on the fans and psu. So far no complaints. the system has trouble with displaying ultra options in total war warhammer 2, combined with antialias times 4 that is, 8 is unthinkable.. on 1080p 

[Jurrunio]

26 minutes ago, Johnny Who said:

Is it worth it at least going for a windforce version for the added cooling? I can find 6 different gigabyte 2060 on that site and i can see some are OC and others also have the windforce 3xfan system but otherwise are there any important durability/quality differences? Any suggestion for which one to get, i guess you're saying just get the cheapest one and OC it yourself. 

3 fan model can potentially run cooler, but I don't think the 2 fan runs that hot. If it is too hot for you, some voltage adjustments will cool it down.

 

Other stuff are the same. On paper there's more power phases, but in reality I don't see any difference because of that.