ryzen Budget Ryzen Build

[Anomnomnomaly]

I waited for the AMD news at CES and decided I couldn't wait until July for Ryzen 3zxxx series CPU's and Chipsets... So I've adjusted my original R7 2700X, X470, 32GB DDR4 plan as follows.... Because I also have a mediaserver stull running an FX 6300, 8GB on a 770 chipset and W7 Pro... that needs to be upgraded too. So I'll build this one now for gaming, but then swap the MB/CPU into my mediaserver case towards the end of the year.

 

If the news is true that new 3xxx chips will be in the same budget ranges as current ones, and that means getting an R5 8/16 for under £200 or an R7 with either 12/24 or 16/32 cores/threads for around the £260-320... then I can get a new MB/CPU for gaming, and split the 32GB of ram between the 2... or just buy another 16GB if prices fall further. Besides... I could by 2 motherboards and 2 CPU's for what a single MB and Intel 9700k would cost. 

 

So the new build is as follows.

Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro ATX (£109)

Ryzen 5 2600X (£187)

WD Black 250GB NVME M.2 (£63)

32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200mhz (£229 - But silly old Amazon Delivered 64GB 4x16GB instead of the 4x 8GB)

Two Crucial 1TB MX500's (£210 for both in sales)

Two Seagate 3TB HDD's (storage and backups from my existing setup) (Free)

Sapphire RX580 Nitro 8GB (Free)

Sharkoon BW9000 Case (I needed one with drive bays for BDrom and Card reader from existing setup) (£55)

Corsair H115 Pro AIO (£115)

EVGA G2 650W Modular PSU  )£82)

 

2x Corsair ML 140mm fans (£25)

1x Corsair ML 120mm fan (£14)

 

I'll be reusing my existing 3 monitor setup (2x 27" Acer 1440p Freesync and 1 Benq 1080p in portrait mode)

 

I've not skimped on the storage, I managed to get those 2  1TB drives in sales for around the price that one used to cost... they'll be fine for my games.  The NVME is overkill, but given that the price difference between NVME and Sata M.2 drives in that capacity is £13... It's utter madness not to take advantage of it, and it will help with some of the software I use for rendering and architectural design, as well as photo editing in gimp.

 

The old system (FX8350, 16GB ram will be transferred into my Mediaserver until the new parts are released (looking at the upgrade 4th quarter myself) and after that will give my mum's PC a huge boost (she doesn't game outside of solitaire, hearts, freecell and so forth.) as she's running an old FX4100 and 4GB ram on the same board that's in my mediaserver... So I may just swap my board over too as her's has a slight fault with the network hardware (she's on wifi, so doesn't matter)

 

Some of the parts are being delivered tomorrow, so for now I've started setting up the case, and taking a final backup of my data and a clone of the OS drive as I have a raid setup... So I thought best to clone that onto a single drive just in case.

 

Will update with pics over the weekend... But they'll be boring as I'm not doing silly RGB lighting, aside from what is part of the H115 Pro AIO... I wasn't even going to bother with a tempered glass side, but this case was on sale and would suffice.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro ATX

Ryzen 5 2600X

WD Black 250GB NVME M.2

32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200mhz

Two Crucial 1TB MX500's

Two Seagate 3TB HDD's (storage and backups from my existing setup)

Sapphire RX580 Nitro 8GB

Sharkoon BW9000 Case (I needed one with drive bays for BDrom and Card reader from existing setup)

Corsair H115 Pro AIO

EVGA G2 650W Modular PSU

 

2x Corsair ML 140mm fans

1x Corsair ML 120mm fan

would change it to a b450 pro4 to keep the costs a little down

2600 because the 2600x only has a higher turbo

good choise

you know those are sata, right?

no need to change

good choise

not familair with that one

why not a aircooler if it's a server?

550 is enough here, even 450

 

do you have a controller for those?

[SupaKomputa]

Quote

Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro ATX

Ryzen 5 2600X

WD Black 250GB NVME M.2

32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200mhz

Two Crucial 1TB MX500's

Two Seagate 3TB HDD's (storage and backups from my existing setup)

Sapphire RX580 Nitro 8GB

Sharkoon BW9000 Case (I needed one with drive bays for BDrom and Card reader from existing setup)

Corsair H115 Pro AIO

EVGA G2 650W Modular PSU

 

2x Corsair ML 140mm fans

1x Corsair ML 120mm fan

This is not a budget build!

Why 3 SSD?

16gb ddr is enough believe me. You don't need 32gb.

You can have as many HDD as you liked, but more than 2 ssd is just too much.

If you looking forward for the 3rd gen, i say get the cheapest AM4 cpu right now, so you'll get less damage if you upgrade.

[Anomnomnomaly]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

would change it to a b450 pro4 to keep the costs a little down

2600 because the 2600x only has a higher turbo

good choise

you know those are sata, right?

no need to change

good choise

not familair with that one

why not a aircooler if it's a server?

550 is enough here, even 450

 

do you have a controller for those?

If you mean the MSI B450, I didn't go with that because of the lack of voltage offset for OC'ing with PB2. It's still a saving of nearly £40 over the X470 board I was going to get.

I was going to get the 2600, but it was on back order and wouldn't be here for another week, and I wanted everything here at the same time so I could build over the weekend.

The WD Black NVME was a no brainer really.

The MX500's are SATA III, fine for gaming

 

I just felt like getting an AIO this time round... In a few years when I build another system... I may do a water cooled rig... I consider this a bridging step. 

 

My current 550 Corsair, will be going into my mums PC as she's only got a little Bequiet 350W that's struggling these days (it's pretty old).. In fact my old case, PSU and cooler will be upgrading her system as the SFF case I built hers in... it's too small and not enough ventilation and on really, really hot days... has thermal throttled and shut down a couple of times. Better cooling is needed, and that old PSU can't cut it anymore.

 

No controller for the fans, the 2 on the AIO have all the wiring to run of the board, I'm replacing the stock fans in the case with 2x 140 at the front and the 120 rear exhaust. the AIO is going to vent out the top. I have some splitters and all the fans are 4 pin, so can run of the board if need be.

[Anomnomnomaly]

6 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

This is not a budget build!

Why 3 SSD?

16gb ddr is enough believe me. You don't need 32gb.

You can have as many HDD as you liked, but more than 2 ssd is just too much.

If you looking forward for the 3rd gen, i say get the cheapest AM4 cpu right now, so you'll get less damage if you upgrade.

 

It wasn't originally going to be a 'budget build' I'd already started buying parts (I've had the drives, aio & case since early Dec)... But the leaks of upcoming 3xxx series parts made me rethink... I waited to see what CES announcements may happen... and scaled it back about 30%.  It's a decent mid range budget build with a few few higher end parts.  but total cost so far has been under £1000... considering I've already got the graphics card. If I could afford what I really wanted... 9700K, Z390, GTX1080TI... It's definitely a budget build. 

 

As for the 3 SSD's... NVME is only £13 more than SATA M.2 at the 250GB range... So no brainer, 2x 1TB on special deals, too good to pass up and I have a lot of games... those 2x 3TB drives... both 50% full with games... Over 200 on steam and about 25 on Uplay, and other dozen or so on GOG.  The more demanding gmaes go on the SSD's whilst the older ones that don't really need it can stay on the 3TB.

[LukeSavenije]

13 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

If you mean the MSI B450

no, the asrock pro4...

[SupaKomputa]

ok then i see your point.

If it was me, i think i'll just have one big nvme (samsung or crucial not wd).

For solid state devices, the bigger you get, the more bandwidth it will produce.

[Anomnomnomaly]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

no, the asrock pro4...

I'll be honest... I've never owned an Asrock motherboard, I have no experience in their quality and of the comparisons and reviews I was reading, the Pro4 was mATX and I wanted ATX.

 

I did take a look at the Fatal1ty, that was only a couple £ cheaper than the gigabyte one I got... But with no knowledge, I opted for the gigabyte... I kinda wanted ASUS as I've owned their boards for many years, always good over clockers. But I was reading that the VRM's weren't as good as the gigabyte... and MSI was out of the running due to the lack of voltage offset options.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Anomnomnomaly said:

I'll be honest... I've never owned an Asrock motherboard, I have no experience in their quality and of the comparisons and reviews I was reading, the Pro4 was mATX and I wanted ATX.

 

I did take a look at the Fatal1ty, that was only a couple £ cheaper than the gigabyte one I got... But with no knowledge, I opted for the gigabyte... I kinda wanted ASUS as I've owned their boards for many years, always good over clockers. But I was reading that the VRM's weren't as good as the gigabyte... and MSI was out of the running due to the lack of voltage offset options.

there's a atx version of the b450 pro4... asrock used to be a part of asus actually, their quality is getting better and better just like gigabyte

[Anomnomnomaly]

11 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

ok then i see your point.

If it was me, i think i'll just have one big nvme (samsung or crucial not wd).

For solid state devices, the bigger you get, the more bandwidth it will produce.

A 1TB NVME WD black... kinda silly money at the moment... 10x more expensive per GB than what I paid for the 250gb.

[Anomnomnomaly]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

there's a atx version of the b450 pro4... asrock used to be a part of asus actually, their quality is getting better and better just like gigabyte

I never saw one, the only ATX Pro4 I saw was a B350.. Could be it's not available in the UK right now.

[Anomnomnomaly]

I also forgot to mention... the reason I went with 32GB of ram... When I went to order the 16GB (2x8GB)... it came up at a whopping £279.99...yet the exact same ram in 32GB (4x8gb) was only £229.99... Yup, £50 cheaper for twice as much of the exact same memory.

 

I have no idea if they cocked up, it doesn't make any sense for them to do that and mean it... but from my perspective I'm future proofing because when I upgrade the mediaserver later in the year, I can always split that ram and have 16gb in each system if I wanted to save some money then.

[LukeSavenije]

11 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

I never saw one, the only ATX Pro4 I saw was a B350.. Could be it's not available in the UK right now.

this one

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PCKcCJ/asrock-b450-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-pro4

[Anomnomnomaly]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

this one

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PCKcCJ/asrock-b450-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-pro4

Oh well, I've already ordered the gigabyte one and it's being delivered tomorrow along with the ram, m.2 and cpu. I saved a ton of money on the case, SSD's, PSU and AIO... so an extra £30 on a motherboard is about 1/6th of those savings... I'm still good. 

[LukeSavenije]

7 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

Oh well, I've already ordered the gigabyte one and it's being delivered tomorrow along with the ram, m.2 and cpu. I saved a ton of money on the case, SSD's, PSU and AIO... so an extra £30 on a motherboard is about 1/6th of those savings... I'm still good. 

okay then... have fun with it!

[Anomnomnomaly]

So my last few components arrived about an hour ago today... well everything except the fans, because I forgot to order them...

 

Opened up the box and drooled over the lovely shiny tech... started unboxing ready to build... and noticed the memory was missing... grrrrrr.  Checked my account and it's showing as all 4 items in that order as delivered.

 

Tried to contact amazon and their chat kept crashing on me as I started it... so email sent and awaiting a reply.  Could be something as simple as they sent it out separately, or they could have screwed up. Either way... I can't complete the build today as hoped.

 

I've gone as far as I can for now... MB installed in the case. CPU,  M.2 & SSD's installed, running cables and tidying things up. I'm just about to install the AIO... I'm holding of on fitting the graphics card and the 2 3TB HDD's as they're still in this PC.  I'll boot up the new system using onboard video when the ram arrives to test it and install windows. Once it's all sorted, I can add in the other bits... I still need this system until the new one is fully functional.

 

I was all excited about building a new rig... and now it's just a huge disappointment.

 

I also need to order those fans, the ones installed in the case aren't terrible... but they're only 3 pin and the rear fan is a really tacky led one.

 

 

[Anomnomnomaly]

A couple of pics as promised, I've tried adding more.. but this place keeps doing weird stuff with some images, some it rotates 90º and others it flips upside down completely. Oddest thing I've ever seen in 20yrs of uploading images.

 

 

Figured you lot would want a box shot... I'd already installed the SSD's in the case, so you'll have to make do with empty boxes for those

 

 

M.2 NVME 250GB drive installed... I took the pic and then realised I used the wrong screw to hold it in place... That's the screw for the cover plate, so afterwards I fitted the correct low profile one... D'oh.

 

 

MB installed along with most oft he parts... I did build it outside of the case, but without the ram I couldn't test it before fitting it... Fingers crossed everything works when the ram arrives. I was impatient and wanted to build it,

 

 

I will try and answer some inevitable questions now.

 

It's not finished... the ram hasn't arrived yet so the graphics card, 2x 3TB drives and the BDrom and Mem card reader are still in my other system, I've also still got to swap out the front and rear case fans when they arrive.

 

Yes, I know most people put the rad in the other way round with pipes on the right... There's a very good reason I did it this way, and that's because it's a very tight fit and the cage for the BDRom would mean some very tight bends were required to get around it. Iv'e already had to drop the Bdrom bay down to the second slot to ensure clearance,

 

Cable management is pretty good, the PSU comes with some lovely little velcro straps, so I used those instead of cable ties... good job because I've had to rearrange things several times as I go... That's one of the pics that keeps being uploaded upside down... odd indeed.

 

Just need the ram and the fans... and then I can power it up

 

It was very touch and go with the AIO for a while... Fitting it was a pig of a job... there is a couple of mm clearance with the top of the drive bay cage. For a little while I thought I may have to return the 280mm H115 for the 240mm H100... But It fits, just... huge sigh of relief.

 

The case was advertised as fitting a 280mm rad/fans... But there's no way it will fit a push/pull setup.

 

Issues encountered... Because I got the B450 board instead of the original X470... It's got fewer USB3 and USB2 headers. So the USB3 & 2 headers are installed into the board, and the AIO has a USB header that takes up the second USB2 header... There are no more free headers.

 

This means my 3.5" internal card reader won't fit ATM... But it's not actually an issue, because I have a PCIE USB3 card with another header on it... that's in my current system and will be transferred over when I pull the video card and HDD's.

[Anomnomnomaly]

Silly old amazon screwed up my order yet again... after failing to deliver the ram yesterday, even though they said it was sent with the rest of the stuff... They delivered it today and it's the wrong ram.

 

But wait... there's more...

 

Instead of 4x 8GB sticks of DDR4 3200... they sent 4x 16GB sticks of DDR4 3200. Yes... you read that right, instead of 32GB they sent 64GB 

 

A big WOO and indeed a HOO too.

 

I'd already removed the stock case fans, so installing the Corsair ones took just a few mins. Tidied up some cables and slotted those 4 shiny sticks of 16GB ram into the slots...crossed my fingers and hit the power button.

 

SHE LIVES!!!

 

Now bear with me... this is actually my first PC with the new type of BIOS. I may have been building PC's for almost 20yrs, but change is change and has to be learned before you starting fiddling.

 

That first boot was a little worrying... I new from watching YT videos that some of these boards have a weird first time POST and will start./shutdown a few times.. But it's still nerve racking the first time you see it. No matter how many times I've built systems for me or for others... That first boot is the most intense moment... every time... it never changes.

 

First step, set the XMP to run the ram at 3200... Save and reboot... So far so good.

 

Next, check everything is there... NVME, CPU shows up at correct speed and voltages, temps are amazing. She's idling at 24º... ok, so the case is open... But that's still pretty good.

 

Shut down, plug in the 2 SSD's and reboot... they show up.

 

Shut down, plug in flash drive with W10 install media... That shows up. Set it as boot drive and reboot.

 

Windows installs in but a couple of mins, restarts and does it's thing... whoops... forgot to unplug the flash drive. Shut down, remove flash drive, reboot so windows can finish it's setup.

 

Run into first snag... no boot media detected. Check bios, it's there... it's set as the 1st boot device... should be fine... save and reboot... loads into windows to finish setup.

 

Go through all the boring stuff and get to the desktop... at this point it's not on my network and it only has a really old nvidia 5670 card in it for testing because I couldn't get the on board to work with my old TV downstairs either via HDMI or DVI to HDMI leads. So dug the old one from my mediaserver out of the drawer and that's fine.

 

The lighting is all washed out in this pic... I was just taking a snap with my phone and couldn't be bothered to start messing with lighting levels and balance.

 

 

So once I've posted this... I shall be stripping down my current system, removing a couple of drives, graphics card and the BDRom... and starting the long laborious process of updates and software installation... Should be done with that in ooooh a week. 

 

First steps... driver installs and essentials... then get firefox and the plugins I use, install my VPN and then gaming software so I can test this puppy out.

 

Already backed up my uplay/steam/gog games and I have a clone of my HD so I can grab everything else... that's going in a USB 3 enclosure... So I shouldn't have to download any of them again, just set them to move the install drive and then verify files on games.

 

At the moment, windows 10 Pro is installed but not activated... As I knew I'd be making hardware changes after initial setup... Didn't want to run into issues as I know how picky it can be about hardware changes.

 

I shall not doubt be posting up in the Windows section to see what services and process I can safely ditch... and although during setup, I said no to all questions regarding data collection and set the one I couldn't refuse to basic. I still want to lock it down further to stop MS from pushing unwanted ads and collecting data.

[LaserLion]

Thankyou for the thorough write-up. I was almost tittering with anxiety and anticipation as you described the booting up process, haha. So far, so cool.

[Anomnomnomaly]

Finished stripping down the old PC and installing the drives and graphics in this one... Activated windows 10 Pro and am now going to be spending the next few days installing software and so forth.

 

Just copying over docs/pics/data from my old W7 install is taking a long time... I forgot to take a back up of my firefox profile, but was able to fudge a nice little work around that saved everything... So when I opened it up all my plugins were present and even my history, cookies and saved passwords... Just not the saved open tabs.

 

Have run into one issue... I can only get 4 of the 6 SATA ports working... I'm hoping it's a BIOS setting I've missed somewhere... got some research to do to try and figure it out.

[Canada EH]

On 1/11/2019 at 12:14 PM, LukeSavenije said:

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Who is that guy that is the motherboard king, has a slight accent but overall good english. He goes over alot about mobo's vrms and such. I always forget his name.

 

Sorry i found it, just typed in mobo vrms and found it, he also has another channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ

That kid really needs to get a top paying job in the tech industry, I am sure he'd fucking be rich in no time. His info is good, even for beginners.

Here is his other channel

 

[Ja Krispie]

10 hours ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

Silly old amazon screwed up my order yet again... after failing to deliver the ram yesterday, even though they said it was sent with the rest of the stuff... They delivered it today and it's the wrong ram.

 

But wait... there's more...

Instead of 4x 8GB sticks of DDR4 3200... they sent 4x 16GB sticks of DDR4 3200. Yes... you read that right, instead of 32GB they sent 64GB 

 

A big WOO and indeed a HOO too.

 

 

FYI that's highly unethical and considered theft. That's no different than if an ATM gave you $50 instead of $20. Still theft and illegal. You should be reporting the error to them and either sending back what wasn't apart of the order or paying for it. Mistakes happen but doesn't make it right.

[Anomnomnomaly]

On 1/14/2019 at 2:46 AM, Psybadek said:

FYI that's highly unethical and considered theft. That's no different than if an ATM gave you $50 instead of $20. Still theft and illegal. You should be reporting the error to them and either sending back what wasn't apart of the order or paying for it. Mistakes happen but doesn't make it right.

The first thing I did was contact them to report the mistake and within 12hrs I had a response, and I was told to I could keep them... they screwed up twice which caused me delays in finishing the build and would have meant delaying it for almost another week as I would have to return the wrong ones, before getting the right ones... I can't afford to spend more money on ordering replacements, whilst waiting for a refund.

 

So by way of an apology for their screw up.. I get to keep it.

[Ja Krispie]

On 1/15/2019 at 5:26 PM, Anomnomnomaly said:

The first thing I did was contact them to report the mistake and within 12hrs I had a response, and I was told to I could keep them... they screwed up twice which caused me delays in finishing the build and would have meant delaying it for almost another week as I would have to return the wrong ones, before getting the right ones... I can't afford to spend more money on ordering replacements, whilst waiting for a refund.

 

So by way of an apology for their screw up.. I get to keep it.

Thats a win then! I would be as excited as you are then after being told to keep it. Great way to improve the build!

[Anomnomnomaly]

When I upgrade my media server towards the end of the eyar, I'll split the ram... so I won't need to buy more then.