Trident Z RGB - Ryzen Compatibility

[Dissitesuxba11s]

I was looking to build a rig that used a Ryzen 7 1700, ASUS Crosshair VI Hero, and G. Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (8x2) 3200. I bought the RAM sticks the other week because they were on sale on Newegg but just found out that I got the CAS 16 variants and not the CAS 14 ones. Just to verify compatibility, I emailed ASUS and their response can be seen below. My question for you guys is has anybody used (and successfully reached stability at 3200mHz or more) the Trident Z RGB (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR) on their Ryzen based rig?

 

[Shiv78]

The chances of it not working are much, much, much lower than the probability of it working

 

Should be fine. If it doesn't work when you get the mobo then ask Newegg for a replacement/return

[DrMikeNZ]

If you are unable to achieve 3200MHz on that board it will likely be due to bad luck with the CPU's IMC more than anything else. While Asus haven't tested and validated that specific kit, they have tested other G.Skill 3200C16 kits which would use the same dies.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

6 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

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4 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

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Valid points. I guess I can wait and test it out myself. By the way, I also emailed G. Skill if they had any luck with the Crosshair but no reply just yet.

[johndms]

27 minutes ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I was looking to build a rig that used a Ryzen 7 1700, ASUS Crosshair VI Hero, and G. Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (8x2) 3200. I bought the RAM sticks the other week because they were on sale on Newegg but just found out that I got the CAS 16 variants and not the CAS 14 ones. Just to verify compatibility, I emailed ASUS and their response can be seen below. My question for you guys is has anybody used (and successfully reached stability at 3200mHz or more) the Trident Z RGB (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR) on their Ryzen based rig?

It looks like you received the standard 'cover their ass' response.  With the updated bios support for AGESA 1.0.0.6, you'll probably have no problems running the kit at 3200, regardless of it being on the QVL or not.  Just because they haven't personally tested that particular kit doesn't mean it won't work.  I run my G.Skill Ripjaws 3000MHz kit at 3200 1.4v on my ASRock board, and it's not on QVL.  My Setup

 

According to this reddit post, Clearing up any Samsung B-Die confusion, your particular kit may contain either Samsung or Hynix chips.  While Samsung B-Die chips are supposedly best, AGESA 1.0.0.6 I believe added more support for Hynix.  My kit is Hynix M-Die and runs just fine.

 

If I were in your shoes, I'd try to see if there were alternatives with Samsung B-Die chips, but I would also not be afraid to purchase your selection.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

8 minutes ago, johndms said:

According to this reddit post, Clearing up any Samsung B-Die confusion, your particular kit may contain either Samsung or Hynix chips.  While Samsung B-Die chips are supposedly best, AGESA 1.0.0.6 I believe added more support for Hynix.  My kit is Hynix M-Die and runs just fine.

 

If I were in your shoes, I'd try to see if there were alternatives with Samsung B-Die chips, but I would also not be afraid to purchase your selection.

Thanks for this. Can you elaborate on "see if there were alternatives with Samsung B-Die chips?"

[johndms]

3 minutes ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

Can you elaborate on "see if there were alternatives with Samsung B-Die chips?"

I've never bothered to look at the selection of RGB ram kits available.  I'm not sure what choices you may have, but if I had the choice of two different brands, once with Samsung B-die and another brand with different chips, I'd choose the former.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

Just now, johndms said:

I've never bothered to look at the selection of RGB ram kits available.  I'm not sure what choices you may have, but if I had the choice of two different brands, once with Samsung B-die and another brand with different chips, I'd choose the former.

Ohhh okay. There are variants that have CAS 14 instead of CAS 16 (these ones), but they are US$40 more. Many users have said that the CAS 14 variants work just fine.

[johndms]

6 minutes ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

Ohhh okay. There are variants that have CAS 14 instead of CAS 16 (these ones), but they are US$40 more. Many users have said that the CAS 14 variants work just fine.

There's a good chance the C14 kit is Samsung B-Die.  It would explain the higher price.  If you remove the 'R' from your kits model number and change the 16 to 14, F4-3200C14D-16GTZ = Samsung B-Die on the link I posted earlier.  I'm assuming the 'R' just indicates the kit is RGB.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

6 minutes ago, johndms said:

There's a good chance the C14 kit is Samsung B-Die.  It would explain the higher price.  If you remove the 'R' from your kits model number and change the 16 to 14, F4-3200C14D-16GTZ = Samsung B-Die on the link I posted earlier.  I'm assuming the 'R' just indicates the kit is RGB.

Yup that's seems right. I'm just going to stick with the RAM that I have for now and test them. If I can't get them to work at 3200MHz, I'll return them and get the CAS14 variants.

[OldManHulk]

Hey there it’s been awhile since there was a post here, but can you tell me how that ram worked out for you? I am in a similar spot as you. I ordered the 1700x , Asus crosshair and teamgroup dark pro 3200 ram but I get error code 8 at times eluding to ram. I have time to return it to Newegg and order F4-3200C14D-16GTZR to replace it. Thanks for your help and sharing your experience 

[Dissitesuxba11s]

4 hours ago, OldManHulk said:

error code 8

 Just to confirm something, is it just an 8 or is it 08? I had similar problems with this and I had to RMA my board. You can check out my troubleshooting here:

 

[OldManHulk]

oh i Cannot recall if it was 8 or 08, but after playing in the bios I am happy to report that I am having a great time with this ram! 

 

I am running this now (after reading and reading) and am happy to say it is going great. the speed and the timings are so impressive. I have emailed, called and live chatted newegg, gskill and asus and no one suggests the trident z rgb.. but I can confirm newegg suggested this kit over any other from their customer feedback and gskill would not confirm anything about their ram being compatible and asus is behind updating their qvl.

 

I only run my 1700x at 1..35v with an offset to 1.75v @ 3.9 ( I did push it too 3.95 and it was stable but I backed it down just a hair to be safe). I hit a 1761 cinebench score and was loving it! At 3.9 ghz I constantly score in the 1740s which is amazing for this chip. The ram was the secret. I have also read that if I were to loosen the ram timings that I should be able to hit higher ram speeds without a problem but I am awaiting the agesa update this month before changing any settings as these results are top of the line IMO.

 

Best of luck !

[Dissitesuxba11s]

4 hours ago, OldManHulk said:

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Wow, congratulations on getting everything up and running. I just got mine working as well because of some issues with motherboard settings. I'm also waiting for some feedback from EKWB since I am watercooling my CPU, so I haven't been able to try overclocking just yet. Definitely wait for the AGESA update, once you get that magical 3200MHz on your RAM, it's going to be crushing your current Cinebench score.

[OldManHulk]

glad to hear everything is up and running for you, and i hope the watercooling situation works out. but take a look at my image above, i am currently running my ram at 3466 with CL14 timing  this ram ended up being amazing.

 

i actually just ordered an 8700k that comes in two days (: so i think my wife may inherit the ryzen setup. and i will run with intel. but when ryzen 2 comes out i'll upgrade her chip and we may switch systems lol.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

25 minutes ago, OldManHulk said:

glad to hear everything is up and running for you, and i hope the watercooling situation works out. but take a look at my image above, i am currently running my ram at 3466 with CL14 timing  this ram ended up being amazing.

 

i actually just ordered an 8700k that comes in two days (: so i think my wife may inherit the ryzen setup. and i will run with intel. but when ryzen 2 comes out i'll upgrade her chip and we may switch systems lol.

I guess I completely interpreted that 1730MHz wrong. I forgot that there are two sticks. But 3466 is very impressive.

 

The 8700K is a great CPU as well and can easily hit 5.0 GHz, assuming you have adequate cooling. Plus, your wife will be getting a great computer 

[OldManHulk]

thanks. a lot of people forget that ddr is dual channel and dont often multiply the mhz by 2.