Talk about Trump (and other off topic stuff)

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, stconquest said:

There are none, at least not any real ones.

http://factmyth.com/why-did-the-founding-fathers-choose-a-republic/

 

Just now, stconquest said:

If something works, it works.  American exceptionalism does not make that which is wrong, magically right.

It's not that simple.

 

Just now, stconquest said:

Healthcare is a perfect example.  The right way is to develop a a way to meet the needs of the people, all the people.  Any profit made goes back into the system to hire more workers, improve facilities and even dish out grant for medical research.

Agreed, but the ACA is the wrong way to do it.

 

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

The wrong way is to give the profits to greedy corporations.

Who is going to decide who is greedy and based on what criteria?

 

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

This should not be a debate topic because all necessary data is available.  For-profit basic healthcare is a big mistake, but American exceptionalism says everyone else is wrong.

For-profit healthcare is how we have the medical advances that we have today. It's also a shame that there are still many practitioners who are underpaid for the amount of work that they do - ACA and any form of heavy socialism is making that worse.

[stconquest]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

http://factmyth.com/why-did-the-founding-fathers-choose-a-republic/

 

It's not that simple.

 

Agreed, but the ACA is the wrong way to do it.

 

Who is going to decide who is greedy and based on what criteria?

 

For-profit healthcare is how we have the medical advances that we have today. It's also a shame that there are still many practitioners who are underpaid for the amount of work that they do - ACA and any form of heavy socialism is making that worse.

You really don't understand what I wrote?

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, stconquest said:

You really don't understand what I wrote?

The question was simple. How do you decide that a corporation is being greedy?

[stconquest]

3 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

The question was simple. How do you decide that a corporation is being greedy?

Turning down medical care to it's consumers.  That is one.

 

Pay attention:  Why are you giving money to these corporations to pocket, for something as dire as basic healthcare?

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, stconquest said:

Turning down medical care to it's consumers.  That is one.

Being turned down by insurance sucks. This is why I asked someone else to watch the video of the Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders debate. Cruz brought up good points.

 

Not gonna spoon feed it to you.

 

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Pay attention:  Why are you giving money to these corporations to pocket for something as dire as basic healthcare?

I give them money because I want their services. That's how it works.

 

Now I'm forced to so it's not really voluntary anymore.

[AlwaysFSX]

25 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Nice rebuttal. Still waiting for what exactly is the root of all the problems.

Cost of medical equipment and treatment, ranges from a band-aid to blood work. All of them are marked up several hundred percent to several thousand percent. You multiply that by a hundred million people and hey look at that, you're paying for nothing substantial.

 

If you consider healthcare a human right, limit the profit companies can make on these kinds of items to 5% over production cost. It's not like the government doesn't do that already either, they already have a 12% profit built in when they purchase something themselves.

[stconquest]

8 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Being turned down by insurance sucks. This is why I asked someone else to watch the video of the Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders debate. Cruz brought up good points.

 

Not gonna spoon feed it to you.

 

I give them money because I want their services. That's how it works.

 

Now I'm forced to so it's not really voluntary anymore.

That sucks.  Your government should fix that.  There is no need for a middle-man when it comes to healthcare.  If you are sick, you should not go bankrupt to get treatment or be turned away.

 

Let's say you are an insurance company and you are walking down the street with your medical doctor friend.  Someone gets hit by a car and is seriously hurt.  Normally, the doctor will go assess the situation and help to save the life if they can.  In the USA, the doctor has to ask your permission (as the middle-man) and you might just say no and you both keep on walking by.

 

Yeah, that is what the founders envisioned, I am sure.

 

If you don't understand the basic logic, how can you effectively gather evidence to any effective and genuine end.  Healthcare in Canada works... period.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

That sucks.  Your government should fix that.  There is no need for a middle-man when it comes to healthcare.  If you are sick, you should not go bankrupt to get treatment or be turned away.

Well now we technically have two middle men to go through thanks to the ACA.

 

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

Let's say you are an insurance company and you are walking down the street with your medical doctor friend.  Someone gets hit by a car and is seriously hurt.  Normally, the doctor will go assess the situation and help to save the life if they can.  In the USA, the doctor has to ask your permission (as the middle-man) and you might just say no and you both keep on walking by.

I've never heard of doctors having to ask permission to help someone. To the contrary of what you're saying, I witnessed an older gentlemen fall over while I was sending off my passport documents and he was immediately helped by just about everyone at the post office there. One of them happened to be a doctor and she did not ask for permission to help the guy. While she tended to him, someone else called 911 just in case.

 

4 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Yeah, that is what the founder envisioned, I am sure.

The founders envisioned a country that shouldn't go to shit because of how other countries turned out historically. Plus, with how our country works being a fat melting pot of diversity, things that work in other countries may not work here for the benefit of everyone.

 

6 minutes ago, stconquest said:

If you don't understand the basic logic, how can you effectively gather evidence.

I don't get your point, but apparently I don't understand basic logic.

 

7 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Healthcare in Canada works... period.

Probably. Ish. Or perhaps not. I don't live there. Why should we do what they do?

[laminutederire]

1 hour ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Trump plays the media like a fiddle; in actuality, he's one professional motherfucker. Ask Steve Harvey.

Not to mention, your grammar is pretty appalling too, so you can't roast the current President if your grammar isn't up to snuff either.

You want to go down that road?

Okay sure? I was writing in a "bad" way, because I wanted to write something which resembled oral english.

 He speaks like a child, it is therefore logic that he reads as poorly. You just have to listen to him. He lacks both the vocabulary and the style to be taken seriously. Compare his speeches to Obama's speeches for instance. Obama speaks with rythm, precision and confidence, while Trump often makes repetitions, he stumbles on simple sentences and does not look like he is able to finish those correctly.

That is one of the many reasons why the president of Mexico has not even tried to talk to him, because he doesn't seem to respect Trump (why should he though? ).

You can say he plays the media perfectly all you want, he is not remotely respected for what he does ans says, leading to an overwhelming sadness the world feel when it looks to him leading the US. 

[MrDynamicMan]

1 hour ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

Grow up, get used to it. He's OUR president, so he deserves respect from Democrats and Republicans alike. 

Lol fuck off. Simply because he won by a margin (and lost the popular vote) does not mean he de facto earns my respect. 

[PlayStation 2]

2 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

You want to go down that road?

Okay sure? I was writing in a "bad" way, because I wanted to write something which resembled oral english.

 He speaks like a child, it is therefore logic that he reads as poorly. You just have to listen to him. He lacks both the vocabulary and the style to be taken seriously. Compare his speeches to Obama's speeches for instance. Obama speaks with rythm, precision and confidence, while Trump often makes repetitions, he stumbles on simple sentences and does not look like he is able to finish those correctly.

That is one of the many reasons why the president of Mexico has not even tried to talk to him, because he doesn't seem to respect Trump (why should he though? ).

You can say he plays the media perfectly all you want, he is not remotely respected for what he does ans says, leading to an overwhelming sadness the world feel when it looks to him leading the US. 

I've listened to Trump. He doesn't speak like a child. Not to mention Trump dived into politics really hardcore within a year and a half, while Obama had about a decade of experience beforehand.

Trump works best in a business environment, because that's his sleight of hand, in a sense. That's what he built his empire off of.

 

Trump wants to work with other countries, but it's really said media that's making a sideshow and a shitshow off of Trump. The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom welcomed him, for example. The leaders of the world aren't very fearful of him. It's the media parroting pointless fear monger fodder that strike hate and fear into the population.

[MrDynamicMan]

7 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

You want to go down that road?

Okay sure? I was writing in a "bad" way, because I wanted to write something which resembled oral english.

 He speaks like a child, it is therefore logic that he reads as poorly. You just have to listen to him. He lacks both the vocabulary and the style to be taken seriously. Compare his speeches to Obama's speeches for instance. Obama speaks with rythm, precision and confidence, while Trump often makes repetitions, he stumbles on simple sentences and does not look like he is able to finish those correctly.

That is one of the many reasons why the president of Mexico has not even tried to talk to him, because he doesn't seem to respect Trump (why should he though? ).

You can say he plays the media perfectly all you want, he is not remotely respected for what he does ans says, leading to an overwhelming sadness the world feel when it looks to him leading the US. 

And its clearly working very well for him to talk like that. How many of Obama's one liners can you put in a tweet or on a poster or have go viral? Dans 100% right, he played this election perfectly. 

[MrDynamicMan]

4 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

I've listened to Trump. He doesn't speak like a child. Not to mention Trump dived into politics really hardcore within a year and a half, while Obama had about a decade of experience beforehand.

Trump works best in a business environment, because that's his sleight of hand, in a sense. That's what he built his empire off of.

 

Trump wants to work with other countries, but it's really said media that's making a sideshow and a shitshow off of Trump. The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom welcomed him, for example. The leaders of the world aren't very fearful of him. It's the media parroting pointless fear monger fodder that strike hate and fear into the population.

Not to mention with this slew of unnecessary criticism the real issues are brushed under the carpet quickly as outlets have to scramble to keep ratings high, so genuine issues (tax returns) are forgotten because his secretary whatever made a fascist joke in the 70s.

 

God I hate this shit. 

[Guest Kloaked]

2 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

Lol fuck off. Simply because he won by a margin (and lost the popular vote) does not mean he de facto earns my respect. 

I really don't think this validates any argument for or against Trump. The fact is he played the game and won.

 

Like Vin Diesel said in Fast and Furious, it doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.

 

[stconquest]

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

That's not how the economics of it works but ight.

[MrDynamicMan]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

I really don't think this validates any argument for or against Trump. The fact is he played the game and won.

 

Like Vin Diesel said in Fast and Furious, it doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.

 

 

I know, and he is a perfectly legitimate president, but that doesn't mean I have to fall at his feet and with hold my criticisms, in the same way many conservatives didn't during Obama. 

 

Thank God for the first amendment. 

[MrDynamicMan]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

That's not how the economics of it works but ight.

Profit has to go somewhere. 

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, MrDynamicMan said:

I know, and he is a perfectly legitimate president, but that doesn't mean I have to fall at his feet and with hold my criticisms, in the same way many conservatives didn't during Obama. 

 

Thank God for the first amendment. 

This post was censored by the UK due to the lack of freedom of speech.

[MrDynamicMan]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

This post was censored by the UK due to the lack of freedom of speech.

Thank God I don't live in the UK.

[stconquest]

3 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

That's not how the economics of it works but ight.

You could of, at the very least, comment on my superb MS Paint skillz.

 

Geesh. 

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

Profit has to go somewhere. 

Ye. It goes into people's paychecks, or how some people want to put it, the money hungry greedy capitalists who will spend it on pointless expensive things... which also puts money in someone else's pocket... who will also buy stuff...

 

Hmm.

 

Just now, stconquest said:

You could of, at the very least, comment on my superb MS Paint skillz.

 

Geesh. 

I wish I was as good at MS Paint as you.

[Acorn Eyes]

31 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Is that you David Blaine?

 

I wish I knew how to make money disappear into thin air!

 

Unless the middlemen burn the money, no money disappears.

[laminutederire]

22 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

 

In business people talk way more elegantly. At least respected people do. I've seen CEO of countless successful, and listening to them was pleasing even though the content wasn't perfect. This is part of why his lack of experience in politics isn't an excuse. The ability to talk well is something every well educated person have to some extent, because it is needed to be understood as well as needed to be able to formulate sophisticated ideas.

 

As for him being a businessman, it has already been said, but. .. he didn't built his empire himself, his ancestors have built it and handed it to him. 

 

Finally, indeed nobody fears him, that's what I was saying, he looks more like a joke from other leaders' perspectives than someone to be feared. That was my point. 

39 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

 

It may have to seduce some Americans, but objectively it is not impressive at all. I still don't understand how people have been able to vote for him in the first place, to be honest with you. 

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, laminutederire said:

In business people talk way more elegantly. At least respected people do. I've seen CEO of countless successful, and listening to them was pleasing even though the content wasn't perfect. This is part of why his lack of experience in politics isn't an excuse. The ability to talk well is something every well educated person have to some extent, because it is needed to be understood as well as needed to be able to formulate sophisticated ideas.

 

As for him being a businessman, it has already been said, but. .. he didn't built his empire himself, his ancestors have built it and handed it to him. 

 

Finally, indeed nobody fears him, that's what I was saying, he looks more like a joke from other leaders' perspectives than someone to be feared. That was my point. 

It may have to seduce some Americans, but objectively it is not impressive at all. I still don't understand how people have been able to vote for him in the first place, to be honest with you. 

Trump does talk elegantly. But he's also a regular human being. The whole "grab them by the pussy" quote was blue-collar, yes, but it was also intended to be locker room talk, so they understood that they didn't have to be professional inside of a trailer. 

 

Trump didn't build his empire himself. It also wasn't just handed to him. He has held his empire running strong for 47 years. I won't comment more on it because that's a long ass paragraph that I don't want to type out.

 

Not a lot of leaders really sees him as a joke outside of the Democrats who don't want to work with him.