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Thinking about getting a 500gb 970 for my new pc, is the 15% price difference between the EVO and EVO Plus justified? It's going to be used for gaming only and I have a HDD for the other storage.

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1 minute ago, MartinNL said:

is the 15% price difference between the EVO and EVO Plus justified?

nahh

you wont even notice it....

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For only gaming, the EVO series is too expensive. Alternatives such as the Crucial P1, the Intel 660p, and the Sabrent Rocket will all deliver the same experience. The 970 EVO is for professionals who handle huge files.

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18 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

For only gaming, the EVO series is too expensive. Alternatives such as the Crucial P1, the Intel 660p, and the Sabrent Rocket will all deliver the same experience. The 970 EVO is for professionals who handle huge files.

I wouldn't recommend Intel 660p and Crucial P1 when they cost mere dollars less than smth like Mushkin Pilot or HP EX920 but i agree on Samsung drives, they're plain overpriced.

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4 minutes ago, Juular said:

I wouldn't recommend Intel 660p and Crucial P1 when they cost mere dollars less than smth like Mushkin Pilot or HP EX920

depends a lot on the market OP is from the netherlands where those specific drives are much more expensive. The Crucial P1, Adata XPG, and 660p find themselves as significantly cheaper options, which are great for gaming PCs.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

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3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

depends a lot on the market OP is from the netherlands where those specific drives are much more expensive. The Crucial P1, Adata XPG, and 660p find themselves as significantly cheaper options, which are great for gaming PCs.

Still i'd recommend WD Blue 3D or Crucial MX500 over them, the difference between 550MB\s and 1.5-2GB\s read speeds wouldn't be noticeable in most situations but the 100MB\s sustained write speeds on QLC drives would be noticeable for sure if you'll be moving large amounts of data in one go.

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Thank you all for the replies. Dropped the 970 Evo+ from my planning and opted for a Kingston A2000 500 GB instead. Saved 40 eur which will be used to get better motherboard instead.

 

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4 minutes ago, Juular said:

Still i'd recommend WD Blue 3D or Crucial MX500 over them, the difference between 550MB\s and 1.5-2GB\s read speeds wouldn't be noticeable in most situations but the 100MB\s sustained write speeds on QLC drives would be noticeable for sure if you'll be moving large amounts of data in one go.

If we were talking specifically NVMe drives the 660p comes in as cheapest, but yes the WD blue as the cheapest M.2 at this storage amount is better value wise. And of course for the price of the 970 evo OP was interested in, a 1TB WD blue is available.

 

@MartinNL why the A2000 specifically? re you getting it from a local shop for cheap? if not, consider this

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/DgJtt6/western-digital-blue-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0b

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

If we were talking specifically NVMe drives the 660p comes in as cheapest

Well, getting NVMe just for the sake of it being NVMe isn't the way.

6 minutes ago, MartinNL said:

Thank you all for the replies. Dropped the 970 Evo+ from my planning and opted for a Kingston A2000 500 GB instead. Saved 40 eur which will be used to get better motherboard instead.

You don't need NVMe, get M.2 SATA 1TB for the same price.

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@Fasauceome the 500gb versions of the WD and Kingston cost around the same here (91 vs 86) but the kingston has slightly higher read/write speeds so that's why I went with that one.

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16 minutes ago, MartinNL said:

the 500gb versions of the WD and Kingston cost around the same here (91 vs 86)

They do? Are you only considering one vendor?

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/6j448d/western-digital-blue-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds500g2b0b

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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Yeah I do. I know I can save some money by buying from different vendors but I prefer to keep it with just one for warranty reasons.

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The A2000 is a pretty solid drive. It seems to be a bit wonky in some benchmarks, likely due to its SLC caching, but it has a good controller, good flash, and full DRAM.

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On 2/9/2020 at 11:07 AM, Fasauceome said:

For only gaming, the EVO series is too expensive. Alternatives such as the Crucial P1, the Intel 660p, and the Sabrent Rocket will all deliver the same experience. The 970 EVO is for professionals who handle huge files.

What size is considered a huge file? 

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You won't notice difference. 

I recommend you a SATA SSD for gaming. 

On 2/9/2020 at 9:00 PM, MartinNL said:

It's going to be used for gaming only and I have a HDD for the other storage.

As an extra disk recommendation, PM981A(Evo Plus's OEM product) or Crucial MX500 for budget.

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24 minutes ago, Glasmonata said:

What size is considered a huge file? 

We're talking 20 or 30 GB at least, and you wouldn't be accessing that much data when loading a game

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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Linus did a nice video about the different kind of SSD's out there for specifically gaming purposes.  I had my rig booting off a WD blue sata SSD previously and have a 970 evo + in there now (550mb/s vs 3500mb/s)...it is only barely faster (seriously, a second or two here and there) in terms of loading games.   If you compared a basic cheap NVME vs 970 evo it would be even closer.  It doesnt make a huge difference in gaming.  If you work with large files (editing long 4k videos etc, moving them around your PC) it really shows its worth there.

 

All that to say, if its just for gaming, there is money to be saved if you go with a cheap NVME SSd or even a m.2 sata.  Both are really great for a gaming PC.

 

And a final counterpoint to all that, I will say the samsung 970 prices have dropped very nicely.  I paid 2x (a year ago) what they have them at now for holiday pricing, so it is a significantly better deal now than ever, BUT other SSD's are also on sale for even cheaper.  

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1 hour ago, Zberg said:

Linus did a nice video about the different kind of SSD's out there for specifically gaming purposes.  I had my rig booting off a WD blue sata SSD previously and have a 970 evo + in there now (550mb/s vs 3500mb/s)...it is only barely faster (seriously, a second or two here and there) in terms of loading games.   If you compared a basic cheap NVME vs 970 evo it would be even closer.  It doesnt make a huge difference in gaming.  If you work with large files (editing long 4k videos etc, moving them around your PC) it really shows its worth there.

 

All that to say, if its just for gaming, there is money to be saved if you go with a cheap NVME SSd or even a m.2 sata.  Both are really great for a gaming PC.

 

And a final counterpoint to all that, I will say the samsung 970 prices have dropped very nicely.  I paid 2x (a year ago) what they have them at now for holiday pricing, so it is a significantly better deal now than ever, BUT other SSD's are also on sale for even cheaper.  

Ok,  I use Zbrush with large files and also 4k video editing.  I was putting WD blue NVME SSd into my new build, upgraded to 970 Evo and the Evo + just went on sale so I was looking if it would be worth it for the larger file write times.  My files are around 1 to 4 gigs.  Doesnt look like its worth it.  I have a 6 TB WD Blue as a backup data drive 

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