Dracarris

As in „all the videos where someone buys cheap shizz from China“. Obviously I don‘t dislike LMG as a whole with my post count here..

where the heck did I say that?

Then why tf should/would you buy tech parts from it. It's literally the exact same story over and over and over again, so how anyone can still find this entertaining is beyond me, but whatever. "I don't like this type of video they make every now and then" - "The only valid conclusion is that you don't like their channel in its entirety" Constructive feedback: Stop making videos like these. Hm yes with most of them either requiring a lot less effort per video or not having posted in weeks or months (for CSF). I hope we don't have to debate about the fact that he didn't invest into Labs to make videos like this. Absolutely.

I dislike all of them. What exactly does this company employ 100+ talented people for? to buy cheap shit from Asia and make a video about how shit these parts are? great success. I get it, feed the mainstream BS algorithm on YT. I‘ll look forward to the next technologically interesting video.

Oh no, pls not another one if these lame „we bought PC parts from wish/aliexpress/temu/shein/ebay“ a Thursday night deserves better.

Absolutely fucking not.

Not really. SoC and cellular chipset are most expensive, then display, then cameras, then things like battery and storage. A modern 5G cellular chipset can be 50$ and more on the BoM. But no two components make up for 50% or more of total cost, at least not for mid/high-end devices.

You said that they won't make a difference significant enough that battery life isn't significantly hampered, which is (probably) wrong. And my argument from the start remains very much true. Apples has demonstrated over and over again that they are capable of designing energy efficient custom hardware and making good use of it with their SW/OS stack. A graph that - based on whatever test - shows varying battery life over different iphone generations does not disprove that argument in any way whatsoever. I am not, not in the slightest. I am not an expert when it comes to the design of NN accelerators. So I suggest you wait until the next WWDC or September event to have your mind blown by Tim Apple presenting what, in your words, would be "magic".

Same source, different graph with no mention of the test methodology whatsoever. Could be all kinds of testing scenarios, including those that do not reflect typical use cases, which would make one or both of the graphs meaningless. Yeah sorry, stupid division error on my end. Because it makes no flippin sense at all if your phone lasts easily 24h+ to go through the trouble of keeping a charger or even battery bank at your desk, plugging /unplugging every time you leave/arrive at your desk, cycling connectors, cables, and so on. No one in their right mind would charge their phone when it actually lasts 2x 12h of typical usage. You showed me a graph over a rather large range of Android phones from all kinds of manufacturers that all claim excellent battery life. Excuse me that I don't put several decades of SW/HW co-design and design of custom AI accelerators into a forum post. The former part is part of my job and you can either trust me that one can achieve improvements in energy efficiency for a given task of 10x or more, or read some academic papers about the matter, or simply stay ignorant and claim that good engineering will only change the outcome a little and all that matters is slapping a brick-style battery in there. What you however cannot do is claiming that I somehow said anything around this whole matter was/is magic.

You specifically stressed and cherry-picked the 8 and 6S. And your "recent" Xs is 5.5years old at this point, and the 12 has more than jolly fine battery life. Under what conditions? On paper? A quick Google search says the X has 11hours or 660min of battery life, and not 560 as claimed in your graph. I actually bought a heavily used X as a backup phone last year after I broke my SE and it easily lasted a full day for me. So even if the competition has such better battery life as you claim, I honestly don't give a flycing fuck if a 6.5year old phone can easily bring me through the day and I'd rather take a smaller and lighter phone. That's 58 to 75h of battery life, or approx 3 days. I really doubt that all these phones were tested in the same way as the iphones in the other graph, or that the way these were tested is meaningful for actual usage scenarios. And with all that said, it's still almost solely peeps with Android phones that I constantly see charging their phones while sitting at their desk at work or always having a charger or power bank with them. My personal anecdotal evidence for sure, but still a bit strange IMHO. Not at all. Try reading my replies properly. I never even touched the word magic, it's just the typical scheme of putting those words in mouths of people that remotely speak positive about an Apple product. Good engineering goes a long way. It's not magic, it's good SW/HW design and physics. Energy spent for an operation can be drastically lowered and optimized if you're willing to put in the engineering effort/resources and cost. Just one more time: It's not magic, and please don't ever again try to make it look as if I've said or implied that.

Well unfortunately, Apple cannot design such specialized acceleration hardware in-house, right. That statista statistics is not accessible without a subscription. But any of these phones had battery life for well over a day unless the battery was severly degraded. The SEs were an exception, I can tell from own experience that an SE 2020 was a bit on-edge for whole-day battery after 3 years without a battery replacement. Still far from abysmal performance as you try to paint it, and the fact you are still referring to models as old as the 8 and even the infamous 6S is showing. For X and Xs I know people that operate these phones to this day without any battery life issues. And I personally fully support the strategy of properly optimizing the phone instead of just slapping in a 25Wh battery, making it cookable via ultra-turbo fast charging plus-ultra (tm) and calling it a day.

That's advanced cherry-picking on your end, congrats. How old is the iphone shown in this picture? Battery life has been anything but hit or miss for many many years. And, btw, battery life per mWh is a thing, and so is a less or more optimized SW/HW stack. It's not magic, it's engineering.

I think Apples track record shows that we can rely on them figuring out the energy efficiency part just fine.

Nothing of this applies to Apples current Ultrabooks, aka the MBP. The battery capacity of the 16“ model is identical to what the FAA allows on airplanes.

It‘s insane how so many that have replied here get the HW renew-cycle of Apple products and customer behavior horribly wrong. This thread is nothing but hot air.