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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from leadeater in Raptor Lake P-Core only SKUs   
    Agreed.
     
    Maybe if these had 12-16 core variants with more cache, they'd be decent bang for buck in 6-8 years on the used market, but outside of their targeted market of small businesses and essentially small cloud/server applications, most of us regular folks won't really have a use for these chips.
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to porina in Raptor Lake P-Core only SKUs   
    All core boost is usually much lower than single core max boost. Also do you know what power limit was enforced by the system? That can cut things back earlier compared to practically unlimited enthusiast mobos. Or even thermal limits.
     
     
    On the others things:
     
    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236182/intel-xeon-e2488-processor-24m-cache-3-20-ghz/specifications.html
    Doesn't list AVX-512 support there.
     
    People getting this class product don't buy CPUs, they buy systems. The platform as a whole is the offering, not the CPU in isolation. Consumer tier gear likely fails in other areas. Basically don't say this sucks as a consumer product when it isn't a consumer product.
     
    Not every task needs more than 8 cores. Other products exist if you genuinely need more.
  3. Informative
    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from sorski in Best Upgrade Path for This PC?   
    Best option, I would say, is probably looking at a Ryzen 5 or 7 from a recent generation, upgrading to B550 and DDR4 RAM.
     
    Your graphics card should be okay for another few years, if you're willing to not crank settings high or play higher than 1080p.
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from Needfuldoer in Raptor Lake P-Core only SKUs   
    Agreed.
     
    Maybe if these had 12-16 core variants with more cache, they'd be decent bang for buck in 6-8 years on the used market, but outside of their targeted market of small businesses and essentially small cloud/server applications, most of us regular folks won't really have a use for these chips.
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to RONOTHAN## in Raptor Lake P-Core only SKUs   
    The other thing to look at is how they also lost cache. For workstation tasks it's not likely to matter that much, but for games the 6MB less cache might be a bit of a performance hit when compared to a 13700K at the same frequency and E cores disabled, to the point where they'll probably be about equal. Besides, 5.6GHz on a 13700K is not that hard of an overclock if the E cores are disabled, so the boost clock matters even less. 
     
    Given you can get a 13700KF for $320 right now, I have a very hard time seeing a point for this since Xeons have historically been quite a bit more expensive than their consumer equivalents. If they offered a 12 P core option, that would make sense, but for just an 8 core chip they don't. ECC support isn't a factor since W680 is a thing, they have less cache, they have the same amount of cores, just no advantages unless they're significantly cheaper. 
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from leadeater in Raptor Lake P-Core only SKUs   
    Being a Xeon CPU, they're also not going to work on the consumer platform. Xeon support in consumer motherboards has been incredibly hit or miss since Skylake, and practically nonexistent since Kaby Lake. Intel's doc states support for C262 and C266 chipsets, which might mean these will appear in smaller servers and higher end workstations, akin to the older Dell PrecisionTowers and Lenovo ThinkStations that ran server chipsets and Xeons.
     
    The boost clock is nice, but one thing a lot of people overlook with running a Xeon is that it tends to take more work for them to actually reach the maximum boost clock. I have a Xeon E5-2690v4(2.6Ghz base, 3.5Ghz max boost) and that topped out at 2.9Ghz running Cinebench R23 for the full 10 minutes.
     
    Xeons are designed to be workstation and server powerhouses, so their behavior when you put them to work reflects that moreso than your typical consumer/enthusiast-grade CPU that's typically meant to run as fast as possible all the time. Occasionally, you can do some funny things to a Xeon by tinkering with BCLK, but that can also induce instability elsewhere in the system.
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from WhitetailAni in Can Ryzen 5 3600 handle 4000 MHz RAM?   
    Only if the RAM you're buying from Micro Center is DDR4, and not DDR5.
     
    Even then, it might be spotty, as you would have to overclock DDR4 in order to reach 4000. DDR4 doesn't typically like clocking that high, and you can induce all kinds of errors and problems with unstable memory overclocks.
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to RONOTHAN## in Raptor Lake P-Core only SKUs   
    I'd be curious about how they're priced, since I don't see many scenarios where it would make sense to buy one of these rather than a 13700K and disable the E-Cores. For prebuilt workstations/server boxes from Super Micro and the like, sure, but for the homelab community these aren't likely to make much sense unless they end up really cheap (same price as a 13600K). 
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to Agall in Computer Learning Resources   
    Build and completely setup a computer then overclock it. Going deeper than that requires some basic understanding of computer systems that you can get a good foundation of by building one yourself.
     
    Kinesthetic learning best learning. 
     
    I'm self taught, started young with modifying/building PCs, but I wouldn't be where I'm at now without buying A LOT of hardware over the years. Comes close in monetary to a degree at this point, but there's no need to do that unless its what you want to do. Similarly, you could go with a used R5 2400G build or new R5 5600G and play with it, just make sure its all DIY parts to give yourself the whole experience and not a pre-build or SFF kit PC.
     
    ^^
    It is figuring out where to start, I personally think everything centers around the PC. Its where it all starts, although I know plenty of people on the software side who couldn't demonstrate a basic computer block diagram.
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to Yua in Computer Learning Resources   
    Computers and technology are incredibly vast topics; just shooting everywhere and expecting to hit something will get you nowhere. Where did this spark of curiosity come from? Was it AI? Electronics? Robotics? Virtual Reality? PC building? The list could go on forever. 
     
    Youtube is probably the greatest website to find knowledge about any interest.
    Focus on something and start watching videos about it. Joining forums like this and engaging with the community is a great start.
    I wouldn't recommend books until you have something you like that is better defined. Those "for dummies" books seem like a good place to look.
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from kirashi in What song are you listening to right now.   
    More Offspring for @Tog Driverbecause it's been a while.
     
    Are you really gonna take it like that? Riding on a missile with a cowboy hat?
     
  12. Funny
    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from kirashi in What song are you listening to right now.   
    @ChonkerFox you're gonna drop the like reaction on this, but I do implore you to listen to the whole thing before doing so.
     
    Nothing, not a single thing, not even the first album, could have prepared me for a sequel.
     
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from kirashi in What song are you listening to right now.   
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from kirashi in What song are you listening to right now.   
    I've been listening to this soundtrack for decades, never once heard this song while playing. Took me a long time to find out what triggers it, and only after did I realize why I had never heard it.
     
    In other news, here's a song I haven't listened to in many years but somehow found my way back to last night:
     
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from kirashi in What song are you listening to right now.   
    Double posting in the song thread, but oh well.
     
     
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from kirashi in What song are you listening to right now.   
    @captain_to_fire
     
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to Biohazard777 in Question about fedora Server using Nano pack   
    Ctrl + O
    Or Ctrl + X, if changes were made nano will ask him if he'd like to save before exiting.
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to da na in Brave and Firefox...which one is actually more secure and private?   
    Definitely Firefox. At the end of the day, Brave is still Chromium based and the only big player in the browser market with a genuinely in-house solution is Mozilla. And with the Rewards stuff, it seems to contradict their whole idea of being a secure and non-bloated browser when there's an option to send you ads based on your browsing history.
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from shod1213 in 3 ram sticks   
    Unless it's a triple channel board(not likely), you lose a bit of bandwidth by having 3 instead of 2 or 4.
     
    The loss likely won't be noticeable at all, but it will be there.
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    Crunchy Dragon reacted to Fasauceome in 3 ram sticks   
    Motherboards have for a long time been able to operate in hybrid mode. If you are using, for example, only 8GB out of 16GB, your system will prioritize the dual channel ram and operate with dual channel. But if you use more than your dual channel ram capacity, your system switches to single channel.
     
    Like @Crunchy Dragonsaid, it would result in a small performance deficit. 2x or 4x is preferable.
     
    Also an added benefit is going from single rank to dual rank with 4 sticks of ram, most any cheap DDR4 is single rank and adding 4x single rank dimms will give you a dual rank configuration, which can provide a small performance benenefit. 
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from Fasauceome in 3 ram sticks   
    Unless it's a triple channel board(not likely), you lose a bit of bandwidth by having 3 instead of 2 or 4.
     
    The loss likely won't be noticeable at all, but it will be there.
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from Hinjima in 3 ram sticks   
    Unless it's a triple channel board(not likely), you lose a bit of bandwidth by having 3 instead of 2 or 4.
     
    The loss likely won't be noticeable at all, but it will be there.
  23. Agree
    Crunchy Dragon reacted to kitnoman in How much should I sell my PC for?   
    I agree with this. You need you check the pricing of your local use market. But as an additional tip. Normally, you will get the highest possible mount is when you sell them per parts. However, the fastest way to sell them, in general and for almost all market(country), is when you sell them as a whole. However, normally as well, it would go a bit cheaper. With that, if you are willing for a longer wait, sell them in bundle as cpu+motherboard+ram. Sell your gpu separately. With that you can  sell your NH-D15 separately as well. Then sell your fans+psu+case together. Personally, I don't advice selling storage but you can "bundle" that with the cpu+mobo+ram.

    Or again, just sell it as one system. But 80% of the time you will probably not get the highest amount you can get.
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from soldier_ph in Moderators Anniversary On The Forum   
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    Crunchy Dragon got a reaction from SorryBella in My 99.99% build (gaming/workstation)   
    Looks good to me.
     
    Only thing I might change, and this is really just a nitpick, is getting a 1000W or 1200W power supply to hold over for future upgrades. You don't have to do that, though.
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