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To make use of TB, the connected devices also need TB licensing.
This usually doubles the price, 50% if you are lucky.
 
I just don't get why everyone should pay all the extra money, for something very few people actually use.
It's not like a common laptop with TB would have the raw power to even saturate all that stuff at once. Let alone finding a use case that does indeed saturate enough stuff at once to bottleneck USB3.
 
We are really talking constructed use cases here to make TB sound useful.
Again: It is an amazing thing to have and does work amazingly well for what it is. Just like a 2000 horse power car is amazing for what it is, yet very few people would actually see the benefit, while everyone will see the added fuel cost.
 
If and once TB comes without drawbacks and extra cost, I will be the first to happily use it or even search for it on my devices. Until then, I am fine with "only" using the 1000 horse power car for my groceries shopping. That saved fuel will get my cats a few extra snacks!

Ok, let me try it with your own words then:
 
Thunderbolts usefulness is stupidly overrated. You need half a dozen external devices to notice a difference vs USB3 and you would also need a main device that is capable of nothing but thunderbolt to begin with.
 
Look: There are people that want it and those can buy devices with it. There are people that don't need it, and they have devices that don't cost extra for the licensing and don't have the potential security issue. I just don't understand why you insist on this feature to be present everywhere, even tho most people don't even need it AND it has obvious drawbacks as well.
 
If we would be talking about a feature that would NOT increase prices and would NOT have a security issue, then sure, everything should have it. No amount of arguing will make TB such a feature tho. It is amazing, no doubt! But it comes with drawbacks. Why would anyone take drawbacks, if the gain is not something they need or even want? What's so hard about understanding this? 
Nothing that comes with drawbacks should be demanded on every device. That's just silly. There will always be people not willing to take the drawback, just as there are always people not willing to not have feature X. So,... just have devices for both groups and be done with it.

Ok, let me try it with your own words then:
 
Thunderbolts usefulness is stupidly overrated. You need half a dozen external devices to notice a difference vs USB3 and you would also need a main device that is capable of nothing but thunderbolt to begin with.
 
Look: There are people that want it and those can buy devices with it. There are people that don't need it, and they have devices that don't cost extra for the licensing and don't have the potential security issue. I just don't understand why you insist on this feature to be present everywhere, even tho most people don't even need it AND it has obvious drawbacks as well.
 
If we would be talking about a feature that would NOT increase prices and would NOT have a security issue, then sure, everything should have it. No amount of arguing will make TB such a feature tho. It is amazing, no doubt! But it comes with drawbacks. Why would anyone take drawbacks, if the gain is not something they need or even want? What's so hard about understanding this? 
Nothing that comes with drawbacks should be demanded on every device. That's just silly. There will always be people not willing to take the drawback, just as there are always people not willing to not have feature X. So,... just have devices for both groups and be done with it.

Apple is doing a lot of things that they make sound cool, but are actually useless or done better everywhere else.
They do nail the marketing tho. So many people fall for the fancy names and stuff like "This new iPhone is the FASTEST we have EVER made!",... yeah no kidding.

Just because something is possible, does not mean it should be done or is a good idea tho.
If you need it for ease of mind, just ignore the surface line. 🙂

No one claims TB is not amazing.
Just like a 2000 horse power car would be amazing for buying groceries.
 
The question is: What does TB offer that warrants the security issues? Who would actually notice TBs strong points? What kind of setup is required for TB to shine, that USB can't do just as well. You can always construct a use case, no doubt. But how many people would be actually using that use case in a real environment, outside a forum for bragging rights?
 
Again. We all agree TB is amazing. We just don't seem to agree on whether it is actually needed for anything reasonable.
If you can do all you need to do without the added security issue, why would you want it anways? 
And if a certain percentage of customers don't need something with a security issue, isn't it the best thing to do... to not include it?
 
We don't know how many people refuse to buy a surface due to this, but we can have a very good guess at how many people actually need the small difference between what USB 3 can do and what only TB can do.
 
From all I gathered up to now, the group of people really NEEDING TB seems quite small. Like 1/10.000 people small, or even smaller.
Even if it was 1/1000 "big" (and that would certainly stretch it a lot), the argument to screw over the 999 people, so the 1 guy can connect a crazy 5k multi monitor setup to his tablet would certainly be a bad idea. Don't we agree on that?

Well, the premium hearing aids use some sort of filtering already. My mom has some 6k expensive aids, which allow app settings to adjust hearing cones. Allowing to block noise from some directions, boosting others (for busy meetings and talking to the person just infront etc.).
 
They do work okish, but nowhere near what RTX Voice seems to be able to do.
 
Think about RTX Voice, with adjustable listening cones... settings that allow you to filter noise type X, but not Y etc.. There is a gold mine full of potential here. Out of the almost 10 people installing this today, just because of calls with me,... 2 actually use AMD GPUs and went ahead and ordered an RTX GPU for this, just for this single feature.
 
As was said before: Business calls are a huge part of our life, not just right now. Always. And making sure those calls go smoothly is worth real money in some cases.
Really been a while since I have been so hyped about any software (And I am a software developer ffs). I hope AMD can put up like this as well, so everyone gets to enjoy it.
 
#silenceTheBlues

Indeed.
The Server fan got me. But getting the Siren out was flat out amazing.
Sure, with all turned on the Voice was bad, but who would vacuum in front of a siren, inside a server room, while streaming? 😉

Indeed.
The Server fan got me. But getting the Siren out was flat out amazing.
Sure, with all turned on the Voice was bad, but who would vacuum in front of a siren, inside a server room, while streaming? 😉

Well. There are hearing aids with Bluetooth already. My mother has some and is using them for phone calls all the time.
Using them as RTX Voice Output is actually doable today. Nothing stopping it, apart from the very limited Bluetooth range of hearing aids (for obvious reasons... they are right at your brain after all!)

Another voice call, another 3 converted people right here.
People are simply amazed at how easy and perfect this is working.
 
NVidia sure did improve our daily video calls by a landslide.
Most people use Nvidia GPUs anyways, so this can easily be widespread. Tho. I do hope AMD follows suit, or NVidia opens this up (I doubt it tho, since it does make people want to buy RTX lol)

Another voice call, another 3 converted people right here.
People are simply amazed at how easy and perfect this is working.
 
NVidia sure did improve our daily video calls by a landslide.
Most people use Nvidia GPUs anyways, so this can easily be widespread. Tho. I do hope AMD follows suit, or NVidia opens this up (I doubt it tho, since it does make people want to buy RTX lol)

Another voice call, another 3 converted people right here.
People are simply amazed at how easy and perfect this is working.
 
NVidia sure did improve our daily video calls by a landslide.
Most people use Nvidia GPUs anyways, so this can easily be widespread. Tho. I do hope AMD follows suit, or NVidia opens this up (I doubt it tho, since it does make people want to buy RTX lol)

Indeed.
The Server fan got me. But getting the Siren out was flat out amazing.
Sure, with all turned on the Voice was bad, but who would vacuum in front of a siren, inside a server room, while streaming? 😉

Indeed.
The Server fan got me. But getting the Siren out was flat out amazing.
Sure, with all turned on the Voice was bad, but who would vacuum in front of a siren, inside a server room, while streaming? 😉

Just got off another call.
After I showed how it worked, half a dozen people instantly installed this software.
I had a text file open and mashed my keyboard, without RTX Voice. Then showed them the same thing with slider turned right. 
 
"It's not perfect" may be correct, but if I have ever seen noise cancellation come close to perfection, this is it.

Well.
It does.
 
Simple as that. I could not believe it, but when I recorded a Test Video Call from myself.... there was ZERO key presses in the playback. Not "quite silent", but seriously: They where gone. It was my voice only and nothing else.
 
It kind of feelt like a little bit of magic, so I am gonna keep using it for sure.

Uhm, it is 30 dollars and not 60. 
Considering how much voice-overs in several languages alone cost, it is actually pretty cheap. If those voice-overs are of value to every buyer is another question tho. ?

Yeah, I really can't see it, even after watching several videos of people crying bloody murder.
All I hear is "I wanted it different!"...
 
Guess I am easy to please when it comes to remastered games and don't lose my shit because I don't get a candy I saw in a promotional video 1.5 years ago.
 
Don't get me wrong. You can be as upset about Blizzard as you like. I don't care at all. I just don't agree on the basis of what people say and show. It is a remaster after all and not a new game or redo (since people also cried bloody murder when Blizzard wanted to redo the game...).
 
Good luck with your refunds. I hear a ticket usually does the trick if issued within 48 hours.

Can you post a comparison that shows how the graphics are worse? Whatever I find only has other camera angles and zoom values. (You quoted a comparison i posted right there!) They did change the models to use in-engine models, but that has been known for a year and also because of player demand.
 
Can you show which kind of UI they promised? I never noticed that when waiting. ?
That may also fall under the "people bashed them for suggesting it" kinda deal tho. I have seen quite a few remastered games and people seem to be all jacked up for everything that is not 100% true to the original. Graphics only is what some people "demand". Even sounds are frowned upon by some, due to changing the atmosphere. I do enjoy the updated audio in WC3R tho. They even translated it, written and spoken!
 
Game cut-scenes are exactly as promised.
 
Changes to modding rules are in line with what every company does nowadays. I understand people not liking it, but those rules hardly make the game any better or worse, right?
It is a new release that usually also gets updated rules. It is their game, so their rules. Don't like them, don't use mods. Pretty easy actually.
 
The comparison videos you are talking about do not show anything missing or anything not advertised a year ago. If you find one that does, please post it here. I am honestly interested in finding one. 
 
Right now it just feels like people saw something at Blizzcon, then ignored everything advertised since then. Now people are mad because stuff changed between initial showing and now? That is... kind of... how games always work?! If they had a finished product back then, they would have released it back then. 
 
I get that people may have liked the original plan better, but other people may like the current plan better. I don't care either way, but lean on liking the current way (remaster, not redo) better. What annoys me more is all the badmouthing for stuff that has been known for a year or close to it. If people don't follow a game for a year and buy it without checking if anything changed, it is on them.
 
But oh well. People seem to love to hate on this one. Fine by me. Not gonna load it up again once I finish the campaign anyways, so I don't care if others flood the chats with fury and flames haha. I do urge people to just ignore those folks and enjoy the game tho. It is quite fun to play after playing the original a week ago. It has the same feel, yet it looks and plays so much nicer.

I play WOW every few years with my wife. Not for long, usually pushing an expansion, enjoying the story and then quickly getting tired of the raiding game nowadays.
But whenever we try a different MMO, we quit within 2 days tops. So again: It may not be a great experience in WOW, but it still is "the best". 
 
I understand that is sad, but true (for us) anyways. I would enjoy the old quality Blizzard used to deliver, no question asked.

Can anyone here elaborate on what exactly is missing that was advertised?
I literally tried finding out, since everyone and their dog claims that about everything is missing. But no one seems to name even a single thing.
 
The changed campaign was scrapped (a year ago) after fans demanded a "true to the original" remaster over a changed game with the old name. 
Which,... is kind of expected, no? If you remaster a game, people expect better graphics, sounds and maybe convenience, but the same game nonetheless.
But now people are claiming they promised the thing they removed to due fan feedback and did not deliver? Strange logic. It was known for about a year or so. They basically got an outrage (kind of like now) for even suggesting they would change something lol. Now they get the same outrage again, for listening? Damn. ?
 
The MP issues were down to servers smoking due to everyone bashing them at once. Something that happens with about every new game and is already resolved.
There may be more, but I don't play MP myself and I can't find a single bashing person naming the actual problems.
 
What else is there that was "promised" and did not get delivered?
 
Edit for a comparison:
Old cut scene vs new cut scene
If they had used even shinier graphics, people would have bitched about it not being true to the original (we have had that for several remasters in the past years). On that front, they can't win. If they do more, people cry. If they do less, people cry. If they do what they do, people cry. 
 
Watch those two cut scenes and tell me what is wrong with the new version please. It is improved by a lot AND even twice as long.
Also, they not only remastered english voiceovers, but more languages. That is a hell of a lot of work done right there.
 
Please don't think I am badly trying to defend Blizzard here. I am really not sure what the problem seems to be. I want to understand.  All the people saying "it's bad!" are not helping that much. ?
 

I agree. Larian Studio is pretty nice as well. I would not blindly buy any game from them tho, while I do that for CDPR.
Used to do that with all Blizzard and Ubisoft titles, but Ubisoft went bad quite a while ago and Blizzard... oh well. Just being worse than they used to, but still much higher quality than almost anyone else.
 
Been reading the blizzard forums for WC3R for a while now.
People seem to be pissed about it being an old game mostly. The rose colored glasses remembered a better game for the most part. Like 9/10 people just say: "I dislike the game!" or "I feel let down!". Hard to find someone being specific as to what is actually the problem. The people having FPS drops are also 100% Ryzen users, which is exactly why I switched back to Intel for the time being. (I did not read every fps topic, only the first 7, so don't bash me if there is an intel user hidden somewhere, ha!)

The sad part about Blizzard:
They are still making the best games out there (with very few exceptions like Witcher obviously), despite being MUCH worse than they used to.
 
Yeah, they went downhill bad, but compare them to EA, Ubisoft and the like and you see what the market has become.
CD project Red is the new shining star on the horizon, for now. Let's all hope they don't go the way of the Blizzard. (Hell, even Ubisoft was amazing, way back then,... so sad)
 

I checked this comparison: On YouTube
 
They do look slightly different, I agree. But they are now closer to the original feeling. The Blizzcon version kind of changed the feeling.
So, while I see the difference, I also am sure that plenty of other people would have bitched about the other cut scenes, because they changed too much and where not true to the original game.
 
I personally don't mind either version tbh. The Blizzcon one does look slightly newer, while the current ones do seem to use the engine itself and look more like an improved version of the original compared to changing it all together. The differences are basically zoomed in and camera movement related and maybe a few extra pixels or so. Still nothing I would go all mad about tho. ?
 
People seem to hate it for some reason. But I just have a good time with the campaign now and am happy. The Starcraft remake was much worse in my eyes, so I guess I did not expect some kind of miracle here. At the very least I don't see why we need to light the torches THAT bad right now. Remakes always polarize people, due to the many approaches a remake can choose. Staying close to the original is the worst for some, while others strongly demand it /shrug.
The same people that are mad about some missing tournament features are also mad about cut scenes not changing the original enough. Hypocrisy at its best. ?