Kinda new in PC building

[kodvik]

Hi everyone, I'll be building my new desktop in this Black Friday (first one that I'll pick the parts) and prices here in Brazil are kinda crazy with the USD to BRL conversion... So I could use some help and tips for you guys, so... some questions:

- I7 8700 (BRL 1822 = 486 USD), Ryzen 7 2700 (BRL 1884 = 502 USD), I7 8700k (BRL 2132 = 568 USD) or Ryzen 2700x (BRL 1578 = 420 USD)? Ps.: Have in mind that I don't want to overclock.

- Vega 64 (BRL 3764 = 1004 USD), GTX 1080 Ti (BRL 4508 = 1202 USD), RTX 2070 (BRL 3649 = 973 USD) or RTX 2080 (BRL 4599 = 1226 USD) ? Ps.: I'll use this PC for playing games and make some projects in SolidWorks and cad.

- For RAM I'm thinking about getting 16Gb DDR4 3000MHz now and upgrade to 32Gb later, so... here are some questions about it... when I upgrade do I have to match the type (brand...speed and product code)? another question about RAM: Which one is better? Getting one stick of 16Gb now and another of 16Gb later or 2 sticks of 8Gb now and more 2 of 8Gb later? (Prices are really close... so is there any performance difference ?)

- For drives, I'm thinking about SSD of 240Gb (BRL 235 = USD 63 USD) for the OS and main games + a hybrid HD of 1Tb (BRL 446 = 116 USD) or 2Tb (BRL 635 = 169 USD) for the rest of games and programs... Any suggestions of changes that I could make ? or is that a good setup already? Ps.: 1Tb SSD have a REALLY high price here (BRL 1881 = 501 USD).

 

beforehand thanks a lot for the answers and help.

[Dedayog]

Ryzen 2700X, RTX 2070, 16 GB kit (8x2) of 3000MHz RAM.  For SSD, get 500GB if you can.  Then a 2-3TB HDD for mass storage.

 

Put together a pcpartpicker list and people can critique better.

[WkdPaul]

I would go with the 2700x (I'm surprised it's the cheapest option here), then the 2070 for the GPU, for the RAM I would go with 2x8GB and a 240GB SSD + 2TB drive, but not the Seagate SSHD.

[lmeneses]

30 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Ryzen 2700X, RTX 2070, 16 GB kit (8x2) of 3000MHz RAM.  For SSD, get 500GB if you can.  Then a 2-3TB HDD for mass storage.

 

Put together a pcpartpicker list and people can critique better.

a 500gb ssd is way overkill when you could put that money elsewhere. A 240 or 128 will be fine for the os and a few other programs. 

[LukeSavenije]

41 minutes ago, kodvik said:

- I7 8700 (BRL 1822 = 486 USD), Ryzen 7 2700 (BRL 1884 = 502 USD), I7 8700k (BRL 2132 = 568 USD) or Ryzen 2700x (BRL 1578 = 420 USD)? Ps.: Have in mind that I don't want to overclock.

2700x

41 minutes ago, kodvik said:

- Vega 64 (BRL 3764 = 1004 USD), GTX 1080 Ti (BRL 4508 = 1202 USD), RTX 2070 (BRL 3649 = 973 USD) or RTX 2080 (BRL 4599 = 1226 USD) ? Ps.: I'll use this PC for playing games and make some projects in SolidWorks and cad.

2070 as long as it's a good card

42 minutes ago, kodvik said:

- For RAM I'm thinking about getting 16Gb DDR4 3000MHz now and upgrade to 32Gb later, so... here are some questions about it... when I upgrade do I have to match the type (brand...speed and product code)? another question about RAM: Which one is better? Getting one stick of 16Gb now and another of 16Gb later or 2 sticks of 8Gb now and more 2 of 8Gb later? (Prices are really close... so is there any performance difference ?)

now 2×8, another 2×8 later. most of the times you can combine ram sticks, but it will clock to the lowest frequency. single channel can be bad in some workloads

43 minutes ago, kodvik said:

For drives, I'm thinking about SSD of 240Gb (BRL 235 = USD 63 USD) for the OS and main games + a hybrid HD of 1Tb (BRL 446 = 116 USD) or 2Tb (BRL 635 = 169 USD) for the rest of games and programs... Any suggestions of changes that I could make ? or is that a good setup already? Ps.: 1Tb SSD have a REALLY high price here (BRL 1881 = 501 USD).

just get a 240 gb ssd and a 2 tb normal hdd. hybrid disks aren't worth the high cost

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, lmeneses said:

a 500gb ssd is way overkill when you could put that money elsewhere. A 240 or 128 will be fine for the os and a few other programs. 

I disagree.  A 500GB SSD is less than 100USD, so another 40USD for him.  Where are you going to get that cost benefit?

 

Also, the 2nd 16GB RAM can come much later, it isn't needed for gaming at all yet.

[lmeneses]

@jstudrawa He could use it to pay for other components rather than wasting it on more storage, which is unnecessary if he is already gonna have 2 tb of storage in an hdd.

[Dedayog]

10 minutes ago, lmeneses said:

@jstudrawa He could use it to pay for other components rather than wasting it on more storage, which is unnecessary if he is already gonna have 2 tb of storage in an hdd.

Absolutely he could.  I agree that he needs to flesh out the entire build then revisit going over the base/minimum needs.

 

He could also calc the size of his game libraries and see how much space he needs and what it would cost to put it on an SSD vs a HDD.  There is a very real benefit to an SSD for game loading times.

 

He truly needs to step back and look at what he's doing too, as a good system should be balanced..  He's spending 3649 on a GPU but only 235 on fast storage.  6-7%.  That's anorexic for what an SSD brings.   Tho I am confused by the incredibly high price of 2TB HDD's there, almost seems like SSD's are cheaper?

 

TLDR:  Balance.  

[VEXICUS]

2 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Absolutely he could.  I agree that he needs to flesh out the entire build then revisit going over the base/minimum needs.

 

He could also calc the size of his game libraries and see how much space he needs and what it would cost to put it on an SSD vs a HDD.  There is a very real benefit to an SSD for game loading times.

 

He truly needs to step back and look at what he's doing too, as a good system should be balanced..  He's spending 3649 on a GPU but only 235 on fast storage.  6-7%.  That's anorexic for what an SSD brings.   Tho I am confused by the incredibly high price of 2TB HDD's there, almost seems like SSD's are cheaper?

 

TLDR:  Balance.  

I agree

[kodvik]

1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

I would go with the 2700x (I'm surprised it's the cheapest option here), then the 2070 for the GPU, for the RAM I would go with 2x8GB and a 240GB SSD + 2TB drive, but not the Seagate SSHD.

Yeah, I got the pricing wrong my bad... the prices of the 2700 and 2700X are swapped

[Ryzen 7 2700x (BRL 1884 = 502 USD) and Ryzen 2700 (BRL 1578 = 420 USD)] 

The 2700X still the best option with that change?

 

1 hour ago, jstudrawa said:

A 500GB SSD is less than 100USD, so another 40USD for him

500Gb SSD is about 450 BRL (120 USD), do you think that is a good idea to get a 240Gb M.2 ?

 

1 hour ago, jstudrawa said:

Put together a pcpartpicker list and people can critique better.

Some options that I'm considering:

 

Option One:

-CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X (1884 BRL)
-Cooling: Corsair Hydro H45 ( 258 BRL)
-Motherboard: Asrock Fatal1ty X370 (795 BRL)
-RAM: Team Group 16Gb (2x8Gb) 3000MHz (1044 BRL)
-VGA: Gigabyte RTX 2070 Gaming OC (3649 BRL)
-OS Storage: SSD Kingston A400 240Gb (235 BRL)
-Mass Storage: HD 2Tb Barracuda (352 BRL)
-Case: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 (242 BRL)
-PSU: EVGA 650GD (650W 80 plus Gold) (399 BRL)

Total: 8,858 BRL

 

Option Two

-CPU: Ryzen 7 2700 (1578 BRL)
-Cooling: Corsair Hydro H45 ( 258 BRL)
-Motherboard: Asus Prime B350M-A (588 BRL)
-RAM: Team Group 16Gb (2x8Gb) 3000MHz (1044 BRL)
-VGA: Gigabyte RTX 2070 Gaming OC (3649 BRL)
-OS Storage: M.2 Kingston A1000 240Gb (470 BRL)
-Mass Storage: HD 2Tb Barracuda (352 BRL)
-Case: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 (242 BRL)
-PSU: EVGA 650GD (650W 80 plus Gold) (399 BRL)

Total: 8,580 BRL

 

Option Three

-CPU: I7 8700 (1822 BRL)
-Cooling: Corsair Hydro H45 ( 258 BRL)
-Motherboard: Asus Prime B250M-Plus (470 BRL)
-RAM: Team Group 16Gb (2x8Gb) 3000MHz (1044 BRL)
-VGA: Gigabyte RTX 2070 Gaming OC (3649 BRL)
-OS Storage: M.2 Kingston A1000 240Gb (470 BRL)
-Mass Storage: HD 2Tb Barracuda (352 BRL)
-Case: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 (242 BRL)
-PSU: EVGA 650GD (650W 80 plus Gold) (399 BRL)

Total: 8,706 BRL

 

Option Four

-CPU: Ryzen 7 2700 (1578 BRL)
-Cooling: Corsair Hydro H45 ( 258 BRL)
-Motherboard: Asus Prime B350M-A (588 BRL)
-RAM: Team Group 16Gb (2x8Gb) 3000MHz (1044 BRL)
-VGA: Galax RTX 2080 SG edition (4599 BRL)
-OS Storage: SSD Kingston A400 240Gb (235 BRL)
-Mass Storage: HD 2Tb Barracuda (352 BRL)
-Case: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 (242 BRL)
-PSU: EVGA 650GD (650W 80 plus Gold) (399 BRL)

Total: 9,295 BRL

 

PS.: I still have to buy a monitor, probably the LG 34UC79G-B (with free-sync only, I can't find the version with G-Sync here... it's really worth to get the G-Sync one? cuz I can import it but its almost twice the price).

[Dedayog]

No, I do not advocate a 240GB SSD in any form factor.  Neither SATA nor M.2

 

Don't get G-Sync if it's that expensive.  

[kodvik]

6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

No, I do not advocate a 240GB SSD in any form factor.  Neither SATA nor M.2

Option With more SSD

-CPU: Ryzen 7 2700 (1578 BRL)
-Cooling: Corsair Hydro H45 ( 258 BRL)
-Motherboard: Asus Prime B350M-A (588 BRL)
-RAM: Team Group 16Gb (2x8Gb) 3000MHz (1044 BRL)
-VGA: Gigabyte RTX 2070 Gaming OC (3649 BRL)
-OS Storage: SSD Kingston A400 480Gb (482 BRL)
-Mass Storage: HD 2Tb Barracuda (352 BRL)
-Case: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 (242 BRL)
-PSU: EVGA 650GD (650W 80 plus Gold) (399 BRL)

Total: 8,592 BRL

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, kodvik said:

Option With more SSD

-CPU: Ryzen 7 2700 (1578 BRL)
-Cooling: Corsair Hydro H45 ( 258 BRL)
-Motherboard: Asus Prime B350M-A (588 BRL)
-RAM: Team Group 16Gb (2x8Gb) 3000MHz (1044 BRL)
-VGA: Gigabyte RTX 2070 Gaming OC (3649 BRL)
-OS Storage: SSD Kingston A400 480Gb (482 BRL)
-Mass Storage: HD 2Tb Barracuda (352 BRL)
-Case: Corsair Carbide Spec-04 (242 BRL)
-PSU: EVGA 650GD (650W 80 plus Gold) (399 BRL)

Total: 8,592 BRL

I like this better, overall storage cost is the same as your first post but balanced better I think.  You'll love having games and apps on the SSD.

 

Doesn't the Ryzen 2700 come with a good cooler, why buy another?  Also, looking at the first port, did you get your Ryzen prices backward then?  Seems more in line now.

 

I don't know that PSU at all, is it at least Tier 3 on the PSU Ranking?  It's Tier 2, so it's good.

[kodvik]

3 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

is it at least Tier 3 on the PSU Ranking

its a Tier 2 in the forum list.