Desktop Upgrade

[acolis]

Current Build:

Intel Core i5 4670K @ 3.40GHz

16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3

Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. Z87X-D3H-CF

2048MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series (Gigabyte)

465GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB

 

Define R4 case

DELL U2412M (1920x1200@60Hz)

2219 (1680x1050@60Hz)

 

 

Upgrade thoughts:

1. Upgrading the DDR3 ram to 32GB

2. Upgrading the CPU to the latest I7 supported by the MB

3. Upgrading to modern GPU (Like in the list below - 1060/1070/1080)

 

OR

 

Going for what is below and buying basically a new system, and reusing the existing one for NAS/HTPC or something of that sort

 

1. Budget & Location

 

No definitive budget but not to stretched from the components below

Location - Israel - Might buy from Ebay/amazon due to high price differences on some components (Mainly GPU)

Depends on your advice as to upgrade or to buy new components.

If buy new is the only viable option, those are the components that will be upgraded to:

CPU - Intel Core i5 8400 6-Core LGA1151-v2 2.8Ghz

Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2V or something similar (H110/B360 socket)

Ram - 4X 8GB 2400Mhz Corsair CMK8GX4M1A2400C16R or similar

GPU - Not sure yet - Will look into pricing of 1060 6GB/1070TI/1080 on ebay - probably used.

 

2. Aim

Gaming - Emphasis on performance and not on quality of graphics

VM machines - Vmware windows/linux machines for different tasks

(Optional) Graphic design - Some adobe products - Not the main use for the PC - Most of the work done on a MAC

 

3. Monitors

Probably 2 at 4K each for screen real-estate non gaming monitors with good color accuracy/price  

In gaming might downscale to improve performance where down scaling doesn't impact the game

 

4. Peripherals

Non

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

Current system is not strong enough for VM work and modern gaming - even basic one IMO

 

 

 

Your input will be highly appreciated and used in the decision making

[Uptivuptiz]

Why do you want to upgrade?  

[acolis]

4 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Why do you want to upgrade?  

5. Why are you upgrading?

Current system is not strong enough for VM work and modern gaming - even basic one IMO

[Uptivuptiz]

Just now, acolis said:

5. Why are you upgrading?

Current system is not strong enough for VM work and modern gaming - even basic one IMO

I am very good at reading....  What specific brand of RAM do you have in your system right now? The best thing you can do when upgrading to a higher capacity RAM is, if you have space for more DIMM's then you should just buy more of the same RAM. Another 2x8GB kit should do the trick  

[brob]

Are the VM running at the same time as gaming?

 

i5-8400 requires a H310, B360, H370, Z370 or Z390 motherboard.

 

i5-8400 stock memory speed is DDR4-2666. There would be a performance penalty using something slower. How big a penalty depends on the applications. 

 

If 32GB is desired with an i5-8400 using a 2x16GB memory kit would allow for a future non-replacement upgrade. Presuming a four memory slot motherboard.

 

 

 

[FastRDust]

IF you need to upgrade the system you will be fine adding more ram to the system, also maybe a graphics card to be able to share more video memory with the VM's.

how many VM are you running?

 

A CPU with more cores could help you out a fair bit as well.

 

Depending on the Budget of course

[NelizMastr]

27 minutes ago, acolis said:

Upgrade thoughts:

1. Upgrading the DDR3 ram to 32GB

2. Upgrading the CPU to the latest I7 supported by the MB

3. Upgrading to modern GPU (Like in the list below - 1060/1070/1080)

The latest i7 you can run is the 4790/4790K. You'll likely find that a Xeon E3 with similar specs is cheaper to buy. Considering you haven't bothered overclocking your i5 (why... a K chip isn't meant to run stock all the time, wasted money there) you might as well just get one of those. The 1240v3 and 1241v3 are usually cheaper than the i7-4770.

 

32GB could be useful, but only if you run memory heavy VMs.

 

After upgrading the CPU, you could go for a GTX1060 6GB. It's more than plenty fast for your resolution.

 

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If buy new is the only viable option, those are the components that will be upgraded to:

CPU - Intel Core i5 8400 6-Core LGA1151-v2 2.8Ghz

Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2V or something similar (H110/B360 socket)

Ram - 4X 8GB 2400Mhz Corsair CMK8GX4M1A2400C16R or similar

GPU - Not sure yet - Will look into pricing of 1060 6GB/1070TI/1080 on ebay - probably used.

100/200 chipsets don't work with 8th gen and 9th gen despite having the same socket. 300 series only, so keep that in mind.

Also take a good look at your Intel CPU pricing, as all over Europe prices are inflated up to 50%, so make sure you're

not caught off guard. 

[FastRDust]

1 minute ago, NelizMastr said:

Also take a good look at your Intel CPU pricing, as all over Europe prices are inflated up to 50%, so make sure you're

not caught off guard. 

Also we're having Intel CPU Shortage so getting one is also hard...

[NelizMastr]

3 minutes ago, FastRDust said:

Also we're having Intel CPU Shortage so getting one is also hard...

I'm not personally bothered by it as I upgraded my Haswell Xeon E3 system to Ryzen a year ago haha.

[GoldenLag]

if you are looking to go new, a first gen R7 or a 2600 + B450 motherboard makes a lot more sence in the current pricing of intel hardware.

[acolis]

7 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

I am very good at reading....  What specific brand of RAM do you have in your system right now? The best thing you can do when upgrading to a higher capacity RAM is, if you have space for more DIMM's then you should just buy more of the same RAM. Another 2x8GB kit should do the trick  

Gskill F3-1600C9-8GXM PC3-10700

5 minutes ago, brob said:

Are the VM running at the same time as gaming?

 

i5-8400 requires a H310, B360, H370, Z370 or Z390 motherboard.

 

i5-8400 stock memory speed is DDR4-2666. There would be a performance penalty using something slower. How big a penalty depends on the applications. 

 

If 32GB is desired with an i5-8400 using a 2x16GB memory kit would allow for a future non-replacement upgrade. Presuming a four memory slot motherboard.

 

 

 

The VMs aren't running at the same time as gaming.

Regarding the specific compability between CPU/Ram/MB, I will look into it more in depth if the better option is to upgrade to a new system

4 minutes ago, FastRDust said:

IF you need to upgrade the system you will be fine adding more ram to the system, also maybe a graphics card to be able to share more video memory with the VM's.

how many VM are you running?

 

A CPU with more cores could help you out a fair bit as well.

 

Depending on the Budget of course

Running about 2/3 VMs at the same time

1 minute ago, NelizMastr said:

The latest i7 you can run is the 4790/4790K. You'll likely find that a Xeon E3 with similar specs is cheaper to buy. Considering you haven't bothered overclocking your i5 (why... a K chip isn't meant to run stock all the time, wasted money there) you might as well just get one of those. The 1240v3 and 1241v3 are usually cheaper than the i7-4770.

 

32GB could be useful, but only if you run memory heavy VMs.

 

After upgrading the CPU, you could go for a GTX1060 6GB. It's more than plenty fast for your resolution.

 

100/200 chipsets don't work with 8th gen and 9th gen despite having the same chipset. 300 series only, so keep that in mind.

Also take a good look at your Intel CPU pricing, as all over Europe prices are inflated up to 50%, so make sure you're

not caught off guard. 

All points noted.

Will the Xeon work on my motherboard with Non ECC memory? I am not familiar with Server Cpus

I didn't overclock the system for stability, I do know the wasted value in not doing so.

[acolis]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

if you are looking to go new, a first gen R7 or a 2600 + B450 motherboard makes a lot more sence in the current pricing of intel hardware.

I have bad experience with AMD unfortunately, therefore I prefer to stay on the Intel/Nvidia side although the price rise on doing so

[FastRDust]

Just now, acolis said:

Will the Xeon work on my motherboard with Non ECC memory? I am not familiar with Server Cpus

It Supports ECC which means it's not mandatory to have it.

but could help with stability in the VM's

[GoldenLag]

Just now, acolis said:

I have bad experience with AMD unfortunately, therefore I prefer to stay on the Intel/Nvidia side although the price rise on doing so

AMD got an overhauled product line 1,5 years ago. faults of the past are now gone.

 

Ryzen is the definitive choice for the workload unless you are going used.

[NelizMastr]

3 minutes ago, acolis said:

I have bad experience with AMD unfortunately, therefore I prefer to stay on the Intel/Nvidia side although the price rise on doing so

If those experiences are from before 2017, they are misguided. That's like saying, I bought a Renault 4 in 1982 and it sucked so I'm not buying a Clio in 2018 because of that. 

 

5 minutes ago, acolis said:

Will the Xeon work on my motherboard with Non ECC memory? I am not familiar with Server Cpus

I didn't overclock the system for stability, I do know the wasted value in not doing so.

Yep. It'll support regular memory as well as unbuffered ECC.

[Uptivuptiz]

5 minutes ago, acolis said:

Gskill F3-1600C9-8GXM PC3-10700

This kit on Amazon should work just fine. (please mind this is UK Amazon. Here's the US Amazon)

[acolis]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

AMD got an overhauled product line 1,5 years ago. faults of the past are now gone.

 

Ryzen is the definitive choice for the workload unless you are going used.

Just now, NelizMastr said:

If those experiences are from before 2017, they are misguided. That's like saying, I bought a Renault 4 in 1982 and it sucked so I'm not buying a Clio in 2018 because of that. 

 

Yep. It'll support regular memory as well as unbuffered ECC.

The experience is with The Cpu line which is under powered (Athleon X4 series)

And with the latest GPU line (Dont remember the specific model - Bought in for my niece RX400 series)

 

[NelizMastr]

3 minutes ago, acolis said:

The experience is with The Cpu line which is under powered (Athleon X4 series)

So it's from parts made before 2017, gotcha. The Athlon X4 doesn't exist anymore for a reason. If you don't want Ryzen, you'll have to buy used.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, acolis said:

The experience is with The Cpu line which is under powered (Athleon X4 series)

And with the latest GPU line (Dont remember the specific model - Bought in for my niece RX400 series)

 

dont know what is wrong with the 400 series. you do a by-the-book overclock and its a 500 series.

 

the Athlon series is ages ago................... (if you dont count the Athlon 200GE which is an entry level Ryzen based CPU, the naming being based of how Intel still uses pentium and celeron namin scheme from the oldern days)