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SuperSwordGaming
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So here goes, I'm building a PC on the AM4 platform (Ryzen 2600 and going to try for 4.2GHz overclock if not more) but the problem is I'm terrible at choosing anything. Especially something like this. I can't choose between any of the coolers I've been looking at and figure out what to go with. Any help is welcome! I'm just trying to find a good value that will keep the 2600 cool at higher overclock speeds without paying for something that's wasted on it, or waiting around for an adapting bracket, though I can wait if it's needed. Here are the ones I'm stuck between, and I know it's a lot:
1) Cryorig H7 (may need an AM4 kit)

2) Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi (No kit needed)

3) Cryorig M9A (may need AM4 kit)

4) Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B (No kit needed)

5) Cryorig H5 Universal (may need AM4 kit)

6) Cryorig H5 Ultimate (may need AM4 kit)

7) Thermalright Macho (may need AM4 kit)

8) Thermalright Macho Direct (may need AM4 kit)

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If you haven't already, try oc'ing with the stock cooler before deciding on whether or not to buy a new one. 

 

Moved to Air Cooling. 

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Just now, WoodenMarker said:

If you haven't already, try oc'ing with the stock cooler before deciding on whether or not to buy a new one. 

 

Moved to Air Cooling. 

Thanks, sorry to have it in the wrong section.
As for cooling, I've been told numerous times that the stock cooler is great for stock speeds, any serious overclocking would need a beefier cooler. I'm just not sure what cooler is beefier but not unrealistic. For example, I know an NH-D15 is more than a little overkill for this probably.

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Just now, SuperSwordGaming said:

As for cooling, I've been told numerous times that the stock cooler is great for stock speeds, any serious overclocking would need a beefier cooler. 

The stock cooler comes with the cpu so there's no harm is seeing how it performs first. There are plenty of people oc'ing the 2600 with the stock cooler.

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3 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

As for cooling, I've been told numerous times that the stock cooler is great for stock speeds, any serious overclocking would need a beefier cooler

2700 on wraith stealth, to some extent yes. 2600 has much lower heat output than that 8 core CPU.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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11 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

The stock cooler comes with the cpu so there's no harm is seeing how it performs first. There are plenty of people oc'ing the 2600 with the stock cooler.

I suppose you're right. I'll see how the temps are, and if not what I like, I'll keep the cooler in case the time comes I get something better or build an intel pc, for whatever reason. But what about aftermarket coolers if I decide I need one?

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8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

2700 on wraith stealth, to some extent yes. 2600 has much lower heat output than that 8 core CPU.

I'll try it with the cooler for now. But what about if I decide that I want an aftermarket cooler?

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2 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

I'll try it with the cooler for now. But what about if I decide that I want an aftermarket cooler?

then it's time to look for one. I myself recommend the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 for the 2600 (a little worse than H7, but very cheap and more than enough for the 2600). If you;ve got the money to get a cooler that's overkill, which isnt a problem since you can reuse coolers more easily than any other component and they hardly ever break down, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B is my usual recommendation because it's slightly worse than the H5 Ultimate, but noticeably cheaper.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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9 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

But what about aftermarket coolers if I decide I need one?

Recommendations usually come down to pricing and availability. Pricing aside, the Mugen 5 Rev. B would be the best cooler mentioned so far. 

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18 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

then it's time to look for one. I myself recommend the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 for the 2600 (a little worse than H7, but very cheap and more than enough for the 2600). If you;ve got the money to get a cooler that's overkill, which isnt a problem since you can reuse coolers more easily than any other component and they hardly ever break down, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B is my usual recommendation because it's slightly worse than the H5 Ultimate, but noticeably cheaper.

 

14 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Recommendations usually come down to pricing and availability. Pricing aside, the Mugen 5 Rev. B would be the best cooler mentioned so far. 

You both seem to agree, so the Mugen 5 Rev B it is, I was considering the Wraith Prism, but that's like $50+ and I'm not sure that's worth it.

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1 minute ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

You both seem to agree, so the Mugen 5 Rev B it is, I was considering the Wraith Prism, but that's like $50+ and I'm not sure that's worth it.

The Wraith Prism doesn't perform nearly as well. You can see relative performance here:

 

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2 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

The Wraith Prism doesn't perform nearly as well. You can see relative performance here:

 

I didn't see the Mugen 5 Rev B on that list, I saw the Mugen 5, was that it?

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9 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

I didn't see the Mugen 5 Rev B on that list, I saw the Mugen 5, was that it?

Yes, it's the same line.

Mugen 5 / PCGH / Rev. B = Mugen 5, Mugen 5 PCGH, Mugen 5 Rev. B

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6 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Yes, it's the same line.

Mugen 5 / PCGH / Rev. B = Mugen 5, Mugen 5 PCGH, Mugen 5 Rev. B

Nice, I'm glad to see that the Mugen 5 is so high up. It might be a little excessive, but it'll give me room if I decide to upgrade to 2700 or anything else on another platform in the future, right?

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4 hours ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

Nice, I'm glad to see that the Mugen 5 is so high up. It might be a little excessive, but it'll give me room if I decide to upgrade to 2700 or anything else on another platform in the future, right?

Yes, it would but the 2700 isn't much of an upgrade from the 2600 and you might as well get the 2700 to begin with. 

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4 hours ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

It might be a little excessive

It's rated at about 3 times higher TDP than the 2600 will produce at stock frequencies, though I consider that to be 3 times as long I get to leave it accumulating gunk between the fins before I have to strip it out and clean it...

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3 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Yes, it would but the 2700 isn't much of an upgrade from the 2600 and you might as well get the 2700 to begin with. 

I might, but I'm not sure if that's worth it or not. Here's my PCPartPicker list, I just thought 2600 was better value (yes I'm planning on upgrading GPU in the future and I'm aware of the bios for the b350) :

 

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1 hour ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

I might, but I'm not sure if that's worth it or not.

The 2600 is the better value so stick with that. I just meant that upgrading to the 2700 in particular wouldn't make that much of a difference. 

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43 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

The 2600 is the better value so stick with that. I just meant that upgrading to the 2700 in particular wouldn't make that much of a difference. 

But what about the rest of the list? Is that a decent build?

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7 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

But what about the rest of the list? Is that a decent build?

Asides from the case having bad airflow and the Blade Master being noisy, the rest seems fine. 

Focus G would be better for airflow: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHmxFT/fractal-design-focus-g-black-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-bk-w

If you want something red / black, you could get a P300: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ptKcCJ/phanteks-p300-tempered-glass-blackred-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ptg_br

with a NF-P14S for front intake: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8r9KHx/noctua-case-fan-nfp14sredux1500pwm

If you have a bit more to spend, the Meshify C would be the best of both worlds: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BBrmP6/fractal-design-meshify-c-white-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-wt-tgc

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1 minute ago, WoodenMarker said:

Asides from the case having bad airflow and the Blade Master being noisy, the rest seems fine. 

Focus G would be better for airflow: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHmxFT/fractal-design-focus-g-black-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-bk-w

If you want something red / black, you could get a P300: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ptKcCJ/phanteks-p300-tempered-glass-blackred-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ptg_br

with a NF-P14S for front intake: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8r9KHx/noctua-case-fan-nfp14sredux1500pwm

If you have a bit more to spend, the Meshify C would be the best of both worlds: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BBrmP6/fractal-design-meshify-c-white-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-wt-tgc

I see, the fan I put there as a placeholder, I had a nearly 30$ sharkoon fan in there but it got price corrected from the 8$ it was listed at, sad face. I'll change the fan, but the case needs to have at least one 5.25" drive bay, like the Focus G. Unfortunately, the rest you suggested don't really apply to that format. I had also considered the BeQuiet! Pure Base 600 w/ orange ( https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3wfmP6/be-quiet-pure-base-600-wwindow-blackorange-atx-mid-tower-case-bgw20 ) but it was pretty premium and people told me it wasn't worth it. I had also considered the Rosewill Gungnir X but was told it was pretty subpar as well. Any opinions? Sorry to keep pestering you but I'm glad to be able to get some real feedback.

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7 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

I see, the fan I put there as a placeholder, I had a nearly 30$ sharkoon fan in there but it got price corrected from the 8$ it was listed at, sad face. I'll change the fan, but the case needs to have at least one 5.25" drive bay, like the Focus G. Unfortunately, the rest you suggested don't really apply to that format. I had also considered the BeQuiet! Pure Base 600 w/ orange ( https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3wfmP6/be-quiet-pure-base-600-wwindow-blackorange-atx-mid-tower-case-bgw20 ) but it was pretty premium and people told me it wasn't worth it. I had also considered the Rosewill Gungnir X but was told it was pretty subpar as well. Any opinions? Sorry to keep pestering you but I'm glad to be able to get some real feedback.

My bad -- I overlooked the 5.25" drive. 

The Pure Base 600 is good but not as competitively priced -- that's kinda the situation we have with newer tempered glass cases that lack 5.25" drive bays. If you want a quiet system, it's still a very good option.

The MC500 is a bit cheaper but the included fans aren't as nice: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xgPKHx/cooler-master-mastercase-mc500-atx-mid-tower-case-mcm-m500-kg5n-s00

What Sharkoon fan and why that fan in particular? Do you already have it?

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16 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

My bad -- I overlooked the 5.25" drive. 

The Pure Base 600 is good but not as competitively priced -- that's kinda the situation we have with newer tempered glass cases that lack 5.25" drive bays. If you want a quiet system, it's still a very good option.

The MC500 is a bit cheaper but the included fans aren't as nice: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xgPKHx/cooler-master-mastercase-mc500-atx-mid-tower-case-mcm-m500-kg5n-s00

What Sharkoon fan and why that fan in particular? Do you already have it?

They were just really fancy looking for $8 and looked high end, and the next day the price changed to $30+ so I changed them. I don't need them but just thought they looked nice, so I removed it when the price jumped. I'm really not picky about noise, as I generally game with my headphones on, as long as they don't sound like jet engines (or die right away) I'm generally fine with them. As long as I don't have to deal with Molex. I'm using an FX build now in an Apevia XDreamer4 Red, and let me tell you, that's disappointing to work in. Hence my wanting to get another's opinion. 

As for the case, I like the Pure Base 600 a lot, but wasn't sure if it was justifiable. In your opinion, should I get the Focus G, the Pure Base 600, or the MC500? I'm neutral to the latter, quite like the middle, and am neutral about the Focus G. I'm not nuts about white LEDs but I can deal with them.

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12 minutes ago, SuperSwordGaming said:

As for the case, I like the Pure Base 600 a lot, but wasn't sure if it was justifiable. In your opinion, should I get the Focus G, the Pure Base 600, or the MC500? I'm neutral to the latter, quite like the middle, and am neutral about the Focus G. I'm not nuts about white LEDs but I can deal with them.

The MC500 is similar to the Focus G in functionality but a bit more premium with easier to access dust filters, psu shroud, and larger fans. That being said, the psu shroud is mainly for aesthetics since it generally reduces airflow around the graphics card. The Pure Base 600 is great if you want a quiet system but otherwise isn't a great value. 

They're all good options. If you like the MC500, go for that. 

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3 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

The MC500 is similar to the Focus G in functionality but a bit more premium with easier to access dust filters, psu shroud, and larger fans. That being said, the psu shroud is mainly for aesthetics since it generally reduces airflow around the graphics card. The Pure Base 600 is great if you want a quiet system but otherwise isn't a great value. 

They're all good options. If you like the MC500, go for that. 

If I'm going to spend 80$+ on a case, I might as well get the one for 100$.  This is my new list, do you see anything you'd suggest changing? Also, the RAM is something I'm not familiar with myself, is 3000MHz the speed I should go for? And what about timings? Do they really make much difference, and if so what difference in cost is justifiable? Last questions, promise! 

 

 

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