Ryzen 7 2700 and an assortment of issues - Seeking your expertise

[nick name]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Ryzen 2 is fine with RAM, I'm running an R7 2700X with 3200MHz RAM and just slapped in a random kit of Corsair Vengeance RGB and enabled the XMP profile. With a 280mm AIO it runs fine OCed to 4GHz, and will boost to 4.1GHz or so on all cores if I leave it stock (planning on running it at 4.2GHz once I get my new mobo though). Always BIOS update though, they're usually fixing bugs and such.

 

You should be able to install the AMD/mobo drivers (or is it Ryzen Master), one of those includes a balanced power plan built for Ryzen so windows doesn't bork your PC. I usually just set it to high performance though so maybe try that.

 

As far as XMP messing with games goes, I've played ROTTR for hours on my system with no problems, but No Man's Sky kept crashing with XMP on until they fixed that in an update. You could try just manually entering the same settings XMP runs the RAM at and see if that makes a difference.

 

Also, your VRMs shouldn't be a problem so long as they don't get too hot, the Tomahawk boards are pretty much the only good Ryzen boards MSI makes AFAIK, all their other ones have had pretty crappy VRMs.

Did you get a new mobo yet?  The Crosshair VII with its Performance Enhancer Level 3 or 4 allow you to set a quasi multi-core overclock that still maintains the ability to reach its peak single-core speeds.  You can also further tune it using Ryzen Master to go from 4.1GHz to 4.25GHz depending on your CPU quality and cooling.  Add BCLK adjustments into that and you can get even more performance.  

[Zando_]

Just now, nick name said:

Did you get a new mobo yet?  The Crosshair VII with its Performance Enhancer Level 3 or 4 allow you to set a quasi multi-core overclock that still maintains the ability to reach its peak single-core speeds.  You can also further tune it using Ryzen Master to go from 4.1GHz to 4.25GHz depending on your CPU quality and cooling.  Add BCLK adjustments into that and you can get even more performance.  

Yep, planning on getting a CH7 because AMD has pledged support for AM4 till at least 2020, and Ryzen 3 for current 300 and 400 series boards. So same logic as my 1000 PSU, buy overkill now and I don't need to replace it for quite a few years.

[nick name]

10 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yep, planning on getting a CH7 because AMD has pledged support for AM4 till at least 2020, and Ryzen 3 for current 300 and 400 series boards. So same logic as my 1000 PSU, buy overkill now and I don't need to replace it for quite a few years.

I think you will be very pleased.  Get the WiFi version if you can.  It's the board that gets to see beta BIOS versions from Elmor.  I am currently on their latest beta BIOS 1101 which has the AGESA 1.0.0.6 version.  

[Zando_]

15 minutes ago, nick name said:

I think you will be very pleased.  Get the WiFi version if you can.  It's the board that gets to see beta BIOS versions from Elmor.  I am currently on their latest beta BIOS 1101 which has the AGESA 1.0.0.6 version.  

Hmmm, from what I was hearing the WiFi model is a bit less stable, and it's about $20 more than the already pretty thicc price.

[nick name]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

Hmmm, from what I was hearing the WiFi model is a bit less stable, and it's about $20 more than the already pretty thicc price.

I have never seen anyone report that, but I can say that I did reach higher CPU overclocks with my previous X470 Prime Pro.  It isn't much of an issue to me because I can use the Performance Enhancer feature more efficiently and  I do get much better memory speed and timings on the Crosshair.  I'm working with ASUS on that CPU overclock issue to see why currently.  They seem eager to help me address it.

[LinusOnLine]

Unless you actually need wifi and want it built in I do not really see the point of getting the wifi version.

[iBabySlapper]

10 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

 

Also, your VRMs shouldn't be a problem so long as they don't get too hot, the Tomahawk boards are pretty much the only good Ryzen boards MSI makes AFAIK, all their other ones have had pretty crappy VRMs. 

AfaIk, most AM4 boards under 150-200 USD have very similar VRMs. Some brands even use the same VRM for all their B series, A series boards, and some of their cheap X series boards.

 

There's actually a handy list on Hardwareluxx https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

[JohnG6908]

Hello, sorry you're having trouble. You're only seeing 3.4 GHz because the 2700 will boost up to 4.1 GHz but only on a couple threads at a time. If you download and run HWMonitor and run something that puts a load on your CPU you should see at least one or more of your cores turbo to 4.1 or close to that. And remember; AMD claims "Boost speeds UP TO 4.1 GHz". They don't guarantee it because the performance of their CPU's depends a lot upon the capabilities of the rest of your hardware like your motherboard, PSU and of course memory. So if you're motherboard doesn't have the VRM's to push the CPU you're not going to see those speeds. And no matter what you won't see them on all cores unless you set an all core overclock. For instance; my gaming rig is running an MSI Tomahawk B450 (which I personally love) with a R7 2700 and 16 GB of Vengeance DDR4 3200 MHz. If I leave everything in the bios at default my CPU runs the same as yours. 3.2 base and 3.4-3.6 in boost. That's viewing the performance through Task manager.. Now if I open HWMonitor I can see that the processor is actually boosting to 4.1 on multiple cores/threads and in some cases further. Now if I leave everything stock and run Cinebench R15 I will get a score of around 1600. And in CPUz's benchmark Multi-thread scores will hit about 4200 and single core scores will hit 390-400; which is much less than the single thread performance of my R5 2600. If I set an all core overclock of 4.1 GHz on the R7 those numbers increase significantly; 5100 in multi-thread and 472 in single thread testing. Which is pretty good.  

I am having an issue of my own right now that I can't quite figure out. Whenever I lower my core voltage from 'Auto' which is way too high at about 1.35 volts @ 3.4 GHz; my cpu runs at 4.1 GHz even though the base is still aet to 3.2 GHz and if I put a load on it like cinebench my clocks decrease to 2.4 GHz which results in a horrible score of 1050 ish.. Now this has only started since I switched out my R5 2600 for the R7 2700. If I put everything back on auto my clocks go back to 3.2 and 4.1 respectively but the voltage is so high that it's causing my CPU to run too hot.  When I was running my R5 I could lower the core voltage to 1.28 volts, reboot and run my benchmarks and the cpu speeds are normal... So why am I having an issue with my 2700? Since when does decreasing core voltage result in higher clock speeds??? And again, it only happens with the R7. I'm looking into that now. Hopefully I will get this CPU running as well as my R5