GPUs: a final discussion.

[Requimatic]

If you check my other thread here, you can see I was piecing together a new system a little while back.

 

Well, a bit of time and a $890 refund later, I have every component I need save the video card.

 

I had an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 ordered, however something happened and I was able to receive a refund because my product never shipped.

 

That said, since my build was tossed together, the RTX cards are now available and a non-Ti version is quite reasonable while at the same time being, reportedly, a bit faster in most cases than a 1080Ti. Now, which instances that is I don't know, but also as I understand it DLSS is also not very supported yet.. but that once it was, even a non-Ti RTX would then be leaps and bounds ahead of a 1080Ti.

 

This is what I've read, however.

 

That being said, I'm looking for opinions. Since it seems the EVGA card I wanted is no longer in production, and any left available have skyrocketed in price ($1200+), I was heavily considering a non-Ti RTX card.. or possibly even an RTX Ti if I could get one. Even a non-Ti version would be a massive, massive leap for me (currently running a GTX760..), so there's always that I need to consider.

 

Another thing is the driver support. RTX cards are brand new, and I know will suffer from driver issues for a little while.

 

So, what do you all think?

 

1. Continue searching for the 1080Ti I wanted, most likely at a highway robbery price. (11G-P4-6696-KR)

2. Possibly grab up an EVGA RTX 2080 FTW3 when available. (08G-P4-2182-KR or 08G-P4-2183-KR)

3. Maybe wait a few and get the RTX 2080 FTW3.. although it is almost twice the cost.

 

Honestly, I'm leaning towards just getting a good RTX 2080 and calling it a day. I'd like the FTW3 model, or maybe something comparable/better from another manufacturer.. what do you all think? The only thing I don't like about the non-Ti cards is the lower bandwidth memory. (256bit vs 352.)

 

Anyone here with both a 1080Ti AND an RTX card that have ran comparisons to test for themselves the in-application/game differences? That would be very interesting to hear.

 

Anyway, thanks!

[Fuzzleworth1]

If you want to see RTX comparisons then i would go look at JayzTwoCents channel cause he recently did alot of videos on RTX. My personal opinion is if you can afford it get an RTX, it will last you longer and yes you'll have to suffer with driver issues but it will eventually be worth it. 

[Requimatic]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzleworth1 said:

If you want to see RTX comparisons then i would go look at JayzTwoCents channel cause he recently did alot of videos on RTX. My personal opinion is if you can afford it get an RTX, it will last you longer and yes you'll have to suffer with driver issues but it will eventually be worth it. 

Oh, nice! I'll do that and see what they've got to say about it, and what data they were able to collect.

 

But yeah, a non-Ti RTX card is cheaper (by ~$200..) than the 1080Ti I was planning on getting.

 

I may just go with an RTX card anyway (likely non-Ti, since those are $1200+.. $1350 for the FTW3, when it's available that is..) and hope DLSS takes off, haha.

[Jurrunio]

the problem of the 2080 to a 1080ti is that their performance, when new features arent used, is pretty much the same. You are betting NVidia's future optimization and games' support on new tech with that kind of money, which is silly imo.

[mockedarche]

1. it's never going to be leaps and bounds AMD does however get a decent amount more performance from driver but Nividia is not like that. 2. those features are extremely unlikely to be supported widespread and those features only are a decent aa without impact on fps and dang good lighting. 3. performance for performance personally I play at very low settings and at 1080p since I like 144hz if you are a more graphics person it could be worth it. Inshort its not worth it...... I really suggest a used 1080ti something that will give you great performance but something you can also sell in 1-2 years depending if they make use wait again.

[Requimatic]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

the problem of the 2080 to a 1080ti is that their performance, when new features arent used, is pretty much the same. You are betting NVidia's future optimization and games' support on new tech with that kind of money, which is silly imo.

Maybe, but I doubt developers will be able to ignore it for long, considering communities everywhere will shout at the top of their lungs to add support for it considering it takes a decent amount away from CPUs.

 

1 hour ago, Ohsnaps said:

1. it's never going to be leaps and bounds AMD does however get a decent amount more performance from driver but Nividia is not like that. 2. those features are extremely unlikely to be supported widespread and those features only are a decent aa without impact on fps and dang good lighting. 3. performance for performance personally I play at very low settings and at 1080p since I like 144hz if you are a more graphics person it could be worth it. Inshort its not worth it...... I really suggest a used 1080ti something that will give you great performance but something you can also sell in 1-2 years depending if they make use wait again.

1. I dunno, it looks vastly ahead of everything so far. What this translates to in an actual gaming scenario is what I'm really interested in seeing, though!

My experience with nVidia drivers is to never, ever upgrade to the newest version because they rely a lot on the community to help them squish bugs (which is both good and bad). In regards to AMD's driver support.. I've heard much worse things almost my entire PC gaming life. (And the same thing applies to what I said about nVidia relying on their community; maybe far too much.)

 

Exceptions do exist, though.

 

2. I don't know what makes anyone think they won't become widespread. The overall performance gains from shifting the work from the CPU to the GPU on CPU-bound games would be nothing to scoff at, in my experience, considering the impact decent AA and good lighting has on most games.

 

Then again, it could totally flop. I honestly don't see that happening, though.. but it is a concern, I agree with you both there.

 

3. I've been playing the same way for years, I'm ready to move up to at least 2k.. which is what my display for the new system is. I know even a 1080Ti is more than enough for that, however the problem I'm having now is that the one I was after mainly is discontinued (11G-P4-6696-KR). EVGA still offers a 1080Ti black edition (11G-P4-6391-KR)

from their website, for a reasonable price no less, but I can't really find much information on it compared to the FTW3 model.

 

I may end up just jumping on that Black Edition and calling it done. Honestly, the whole process of gathering parts for a new rig has been very stressful for me this go around, starting with my bank shutting down my account when I started ordering things due to anti-fraud protections in place (a good thing, honestly), and finally ending with getting held up by some shady person in New Jersey claiming to be selling that FTW3 card when they likely didn't even have it to begin with.

 

Thankfully, Walmart was able to successfully process a refund which should take place tomorrow. This was also a learning experience on my part in that websites that now use third-party selling platforms (walmart, newegg, and to a lesser extent, amazon) really, really have to be looked at closely before ordering.

 

Anyway, that all being said I'm likely going to jump on the 1080 still available from EVGA before it becomes discontinued also.. which would be just my luck, heh.

 

Thanks everyone!

[Jurrunio]

28 minutes ago, Requimatic said:

communities everywhere will shout at the top of their lungs to add support for it

That outcry wont be nearly as big as you think. After all only Nvidia RTX cards have that function, their numbers are much lower than other cards combined.

[Adult Man]

1. its almost 2019 and 1080 ti is outdated. old driver, old hardware. I bet its dusty like relic from pyramid.

2. 2080ti quad sli is the most desirable setup and best for gaming setup.

3. 1080 ti is soo slow, and dont buy it, buy 2080ti.. bc soooo slooow.. like snail glued to the floor.

4. rtx 2080ti has ray tracing technology that use fake light to mimic real light. so if you afraid to go outside because of real light, just turn on your 2080ti setup and boom! realistic fake light!

 

source: 900 years working with technology and not tomshardware.

[DVA]

3 minutes ago, Adult Man said:

1. its almost 2019 and 1080 ti is outdated. old driver, old hardware. I bet its dusty like relic from pyramid.

2. 2080ti quad sli is the most desirable setup and best for gaming setup.

3. 1080 ti is soo slow, and dont buy it, buy 2080ti.. bc soooo slooow.. like snail glued to the floor.

4. rtx 2080ti has ray tracing technology that use fake light to mimic real light. so if you afraid to go outside because of real light, just turn on your 2080ti setup and boom! realistic fake light!

 

source: 900 years working with technology and not tomshardware.

Can't tell if troll?

[Requimatic]

4 hours ago, DVA said:

Can't tell if troll?

Probably.

 

That aside, I managed to find the 1080Ti I wanted from another source (B&H), for $50 less than my previous order. I went ahead and jumped on that before supplies ran out or something, and I'm fine with that.

 

Even got free expedited shipping.

 

As much as I'd like the latest and greatest, I know that isn't always the best course of action (read: nVidia drivers..), so I think for now the 1080Ti will be more than enough for what I plan on throwing at it. I have a 2k monitor, and don't plan on trying 4k anything, and from what I gather my setup will be more than enough for 2k gaming/etc.

 

I am really curious to see where DLSS and RT cores go, though. If the performance gains from those (DLSS specifically) become so apparent that developers of typically-CPU-bound games (WoW, for example) start to implement support for it in their engines, then maybe I'll jump to a second-gen RTX card.

 

For now, though, this'll do. Again, thanks all!