Why did AMD release Ryzen without any integrated graphics or APU?

[ZacoAttaco]

Hey all, excuse me for my ignorance.

 

So why did AMD release Ryzen without any integrated graphics or APU? Even though you obviously wouldn't run games off of integrated graphics it's still very useful to have and helps a lot in troubleshooting, especially in graphics card related troubleshooting.

 

Was it a matter of they ran out of time to develop the APU for current series? My understanding is that the next gen of Ryzen will have integrated Vega graphics.

 

Would just like some further information and some knowledge. Thanks everyone.

[Uptivuptiz]

Are you talking about Ryzen 1 or 2?

[bleedblue]

1 minute ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Are you talking about Ryzen 1 or 2?

Both of them I guess.

[DrMacintosh]

They have APU chips, but the main consumer chips use their die space for more cores. The iGPU takes up so much space. 

[Uptivuptiz]

Here ya go @DrMacintosh 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Here ya go @DrMacintosh 

 

But SKU wise there are way more non APU chips than not. I don't mind, but I would rather have more cores than an iGPU. 

[bleedblue]

2 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Here ya go @DrMacintosh 

...That's different from what he was talking about...

 

[ZacoAttaco]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

They have APU chips, but the main consumer chips use their die space for more cores. The iGPU takes up so much space. 

So 2nd generation has built in Radeon Vega but Ryzen 1 the iGPU took too much space? For the mainstream processors?

 

[ZacoAttaco]

5 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Here ya go @DrMacintosh 

They're both Gen 2?

[Uptivuptiz]

Just now, bleedblue said:

...That's different from what he was talking about...

 

How? He's asking why AMD Ryzen doesn't have iGPUs or APUs. Is there something that I'm missing here?

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, ZacoAttaco said:

So 2nd generation has built in Radeon Vega but Ryzen 1 the iGPU took too much space?

 

No, the GPU part was not ready for 1st gen/they didn't have the money for it. Only select SKUs of Ryzen 3 and 5 have integrated graphics for 2nd gen. 

[ZacoAttaco]

I apologize guys, I've only just got my head around all the Intel side of things, (now they add the i7 without hyper-threading to confuse everything) now I'm trying to get an understanding of the AMD offerings.

[Uptivuptiz]

1 minute ago, ZacoAttaco said:

They're both Gen 2?

Yes. It's written in the bottom of the description of both of them  

[ZacoAttaco]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

No, the GPU part was not ready for 1st gen/they didn't have the money for it. Only select SKUs of Ryzen 3 and 5 have integrated graphics for 2nd gen. 

Cool thanks for the clarity, so it's not as if they don't want integrated graphics, they were just limited at the time of launch.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, ZacoAttaco said:

Cool thanks for the clarity, so it's not as if they don't want integrated graphics, they were just limited at the time of launch.

Pretty much. And now that they are kicking Intel in the ass, well now they can make APUs that are pretty great. 

[ZacoAttaco]

Just now, Uptivuptiz said:

Yes. It's written in the bottom of the description of both of them  

On Ryzen 5 it is, but not on the Ryzen 3 description. It say 'now including' which would indicate it's not the original but still . Thanks for the info.

[Uptivuptiz]

2 minutes ago, ZacoAttaco said:

now I'm trying to get an understanding of the AMD offerings.

It's always good to have a wide perspective  

[Uptivuptiz]

1 minute ago, ZacoAttaco said:

On Ryzen 5 it is, but not on the Ryzen 3 description. 

Agh! Herpy derpy  

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

Ryzen for now, only have APU for 4 cores "low" end chip.

I think most people will have a graphics card anyway for higher end cpu R5/R7

not really relevant in terms of space, who would care if cpu is two times larger in size

[bleedblue]

6 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

How? He's asking why AMD Ryzen doesn't have iGPUs or APUs. Is there something that I'm missing here?

Reread his question, I thought he was talking about the OG ryzen launch. My bad.

[ZacoAttaco]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Pretty much. And now that they are kicking Intel in the ass, well now they can make APUs that are pretty great. 

It's good to have competition. Intel has to start doing stuff now.

 

Ryzen is also keeping the same socket? AMD were sending CPU to customers to help flash their mobos right?

1 minute ago, Uptivuptiz said:

It's always good to have a wide perspective  

Agreed

 

Still find the socket-chipset-model scheme a little confusing. I think Wikipedia organizes the information better than AMD or Intel's own sites.

[ZeouLs]

1 minute ago, ZacoAttaco said:

AMD were sending CPU to customers to help flash their mobos right?

Yes you can ask the AMD Support to send you a Bios Flash Kit

[Uptivuptiz]

1 minute ago, ZacoAttaco said:

Still find the socket-chipset-model scheme a little confusing. I think Wikipedia organizes the information better than AMD or Intel's own sites.

Haha, so true!

[ZacoAttaco]

5 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

Reread his question, I thought he was talking about the OG ryzen launch. My bad.

My question was a little vague, sorry, just wanted some clarity on the whole Ryzen line and which has iGPU/APU and which didn't and why.

[ZacoAttaco]

Like I said, I don't necessarily wanted to game or do anything demanding on an iGPU, it's more the flexibility.

 

Right now I'm running triple monitor, 2 off my 280 and 1 off my 4790K. Also, if there's any issues with my GPU I can still troubleshoot using integrated graphics which is helpful. I just wondering if I were to consider another build, if lack of integrated graphics would be a deal breaker for a Ryzen system but it seems that's going to change.

 

Thanks for the knowledge everyone