Which is better?

[Owen the Trusty man]

Which pc build is better for the price?

 

this:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6DCZR
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6DCZR/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - H310M A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - L5 LITE 3D 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB AORUS 8G Video Card  ($229.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($26.49 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($32.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Sceptre - E225W-1920 22.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($74.70 @ Walmart) 
Headphones: Kingston - HyperX Cloud Alpha  Headset  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $759.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 14:05 EDT-0400

 

 

 

or this:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKD8WX
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKD8WX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Mini Video Card  ($292.47 @ Amazon) 
Case: Rosewill - NAUTILUS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $726.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 14:07 EDT-0400

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

 

An  R3 2200G with an RX 580 and 1080p 60hz IPS display

 

or an R3  2200G with a 1080p 144hz display, throwing in a GPU later.

 

Didn't we already have this thread? AM4 gets you a better upgrade path in any event.

[Owen the Trusty man]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

An  R3 2200G with an RX 580 and 1080p 60hz IPS display

 

or an R3  2200G with a 1080p 144hz display, throwing in a GPU later.

 

Didn't we already have this thread? AM4 gets you a better upgrade path in any event.

I just want your opinion on which gaming pc above is a better, faster pc for the price b/c I’m thinking about buying one. I dont need you to tell me about another build without a GPU. Thanks though.

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

I just want your opinion on which gaming pc above is a better, faster pc for the price b/c I’m thinking about buying one. I dont need you to tell me about another build without a GPU. Thanks though.

I wouldn't recommend either because you're getting yourself stuck on 1151 which means more expensive CPU upgrades or with that H310 the VRM is so weak I wouldn't recommend an upgrade on it. With Ryzen/AM4 you can get an 8 core CPU for under $200, or just upgrade options until 2020.

 

The Ryzen APU will run games fine for the month or whatever it takes to save up the extra $50 for an RX 570/580, or it allows you to save up the $300 for a used 980ti which is pretty close to a 1080 in performance with an overclock. And it gets you a better monitor for the long haul.

Also the headset is taking up far too much of the budget. Thought you said you already had audio hardware?

The monitor is pretty poor most likely, should be IPS at minimum. Or one of the 75Hz TN free-sync displays.

Pretty sure I know what I'm talking about at this point.

[Owen the Trusty man]

Ok ok, so with the rx580 how much will the pc your recommending me cost? My budget is $700 or $750 if it’s worth it. I also need a monitor. 

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

Ok ok, so with the rx580 how much will the pc your recommending me cost?

*Also you have mail in rebates enabled, wouldn't trust them to actually work.

Was all in here

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yGhDQZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yGhDQZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4GB NITRO+ Video Card  ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.67 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC - G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($117.99 @ Walmart)
Total: $696.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 14:39 EDT-0400

Why are you so opposed to an APU when it gets you a better display which is just as important for gaming as your GPU?

It will be able to run games just fine until you're able to get a GPU or it lets you save up for an even better GPU, which is the main point of the recommendation.

 

[Owen the Trusty man]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

*Also you have mail in rebates enabled, wouldn't trust them to actually work.

Was all in here

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yGhDQZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yGhDQZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4GB NITRO+ Video Card  ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.67 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC - G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($117.99 @ Walmart)
Total: $696.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 14:39 EDT-0400

Why are you so opposed to an APU when it gets you a better display which is just as important for gaming as your GPU?

It will be able to run games just fine until you're able to get a GPU or it lets you save up for an even better GPU, which is the main point of the recommendation.

 

So your saying I can play games fine with integrated graphics? And also the pc part picker you sent me says potential incompatibilities something about the motherboard needing a BIOS update

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

So your saying I can play games fine with integrated graphics? And also the pc part picker you sent me says potential incompatibilities something about the motherboard needing a BIOS update

That's the whole point of the APUs, obviously it won't be as fast as a dedicated GPU, but it will work fine, especially in esports titles or slightly older games.

 

Actually maybe buy the B450 Pro 4 ATX anyways, it has display port for the APU, which will give it access to the free-sync on your monitor.

The B350 boards advertise "Ryzen APU/2000 ready" on newegg, are probably updated by this point.

Then you have a better 144hz display whenever you throw in a GPU, be it an RX 570/580 at $200 ish, or a used 980ti around $300
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wX3cgw
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wX3cgw/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.67 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - ED242QR Abidpx 23.6" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($196.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $588.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 14:55 EDT-0400

[Owen the Trusty man]

31 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

That's the whole point of the APUs, obviously it won't be as fast as a dedicated GPU, but it will work fine, especially in esports titles or slightly older games.

 

Actually maybe buy the B450 Pro 4 ATX anyways, it has display port for the APU, which will give it access to the free-sync on your monitor.

The B350 boards advertise "Ryzen APU/2000 ready" on newegg, are probably updated by this point.

Then you have a better 144hz display whenever you throw in a GPU, be it an RX 570/580 at $200 ish, or a used 980ti around $300
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wX3cgw
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wX3cgw/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.67 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - ED242QR Abidpx 23.6" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($196.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $588.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 14:55 EDT-0400

Can I just get a 100hz monitor instead of 144hz so I’ll have enough to get a rx580 right now? Remind me what free sync is again

[Streetguru]

19 minutes ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

Since it’s only $580, I think I already have enough to add a rx580 right now. Remind me what free sync is again

Double check reviews for the gigabyte one then, cooler might be sub par.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QvGj4D/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-8gb-aorus-8g-video-card-gv-rx580aorus-8gd

ASUS model has been fine for me.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jkFXsY/asus-radeon-rx-580-8gb-dual-video-card-dual-rx580-o8g

Free-sync is just a "free" bonus on a lot of monitors now, but it only works with Radeon GPUs because nvidia hates freedom.

 

Eliminates screen tearing, which isn't as important at 144hz, but since it's free you might as well get it.

 

Don't need the ATX B450 board, MicroATX B450 one is fine then. Or get the MSI Tomahawk for around $100 if your budget is actually close to $800

 

[Owen the Trusty man]

32 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Double check reviews for the gigabyte one then, cooler might be sub par.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QvGj4D/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-8gb-aorus-8g-video-card-gv-rx580aorus-8gd

ASUS model has been fine for me.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jkFXsY/asus-radeon-rx-580-8gb-dual-video-card-dual-rx580-o8g

Free-sync is just a "free" bonus on a lot of monitors now, but it only works with Radeon GPUs because nvidia hates freedom.

 

Eliminates screen tearing, which isn't as important at 144hz, but since it's free you might as well get it.

 

Don't need the ATX B450 board, MicroATX B450 one is fine then. Or get the MSI Tomahawk for around $100 if your budget is actually close to $800

 

I’m pretty sure I don’t need a 144hz monitor is there anything less expensive so I’ll gave enough for a gpu because I’m still a little sceptical about APU gaming

[Streetguru]

26 minutes ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

I’m pretty sure I don’t need a 144hz monitor is there anything less expensive so I’ll gave enough for a gpu because I’m still a little sceptical about APU gaming

Then just buy the 580 with any decent 1080p IPS display

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrkvD2
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrkvD2/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8GB DUAL Video Card  ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.67 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus - VS229H-P 21.5" 1920x1080 Monitor  ($95.49 @ Amazon)
Total: $726.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 16:30 EDT-0400

[brob]

The two builds in the OP are simply not comparable. One includes a monitor and headphones, the other doesn't.

 

H310 motherboards are not really appropriate for anything other than the lowest of low end builds. 

 

Z370 motherboards are not appropriate for locked cpu.

 

B360 or H370 motherboards are optimal for locked Intel cpu.

 

GTX 1060 6GB is slightly better than RX 580 in many titles.

 

Dual channel memory kits are slightly better than single memory modules.

 

Don't buy into the argument that AM4 is more upgradeable. 

 

The i3-8100 and Ryzen 3 2200G have roughly the same performance in gaming using the same gpu.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - L5 LITE 3D 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8GB DUAL Video Card  ($239.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $665.82
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-03 16:45 EDT-0400

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Don't buy into the argument that AM4 is more upgradeable. 

It's like unquestionably more upgradable in terms or performance per dollar, and likely longevity.

The RX 580 and 1060 go back and forth for the most part, free-sync pushes it over the edge as a nice bonus depending on the display.

and I don't think that case has airflow, should go for a Focus G if you wanted a $50 case in there

[brob]

One can always question value judgements.

 

Is the OP considering freesync?

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/Eclipse_P300/6.html

 

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, brob said:

One can always question value judgements.

 

Is the OP considering freesync?

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/Eclipse_P300/6.html

 

$200 R7 1700s are very hard to beat

 

free-sync is just a nice bonus, not needed anymore for now though, always a nice option to have in the future though.

 

Case has no front mesh for airflow

[brob]

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8500/13.html

https://www.techspot.com/review/1502-intel-core-i5-8400/page3.html

 

 

If airflow was an issue it would have been mentioned in the review I linked.

 

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, brob said:

 

They didn't even do thermal testing?
It has no front mesh, therefore airflow is going to be more restricted in general compared to something like the Focus G.

This one's pretty close in design, hottest case on the bench, because no real intake/exhaust for airflow.

 

[grss1982]

5 hours ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

I just want your opinion on which gaming pc above is a better, faster pc for the price b/c I’m thinking about buying one. I dont need you to tell me about another build without a GPU. Thanks though.

The more important questions is what games do you play? Can you name current as well future games that play or want to play?

 

If just esports titles, you could potentially go with a cheaper processor that you can later upgrade.

 

Also since you preferred Intel, are you open to getting a used 6th or 7th generation i5 or i7 CPU? It could be cheaper that going all brand new.

[Owen the Trusty man]

13 minutes ago, grss1982 said:

The more important questions is what games do you play? Can you name current as well future games that play or want to play?

 

If just esports titles, you could potentially go with a cheaper processor that you can later upgrade.

 

Also since you preferred Intel, are you open to getting a used 6th or 7th generation i5 or i7 CPU? It could be cheaper that going all brand new.

I play fortnite and I’m thinking about playing over watch. And yes, if they are good, I’m fine with an older generation cpu. My budget is $750 and I don’t have a monitor as I’m currently on a laptop so I need one too.

[Owen the Trusty man]

Can someone just tell me which pc is better? Some people are saying the rx580 is better than the 1060 vise versa.

[brob]

1 hour ago, Owen the Trusty man said:

Can someone just tell me which pc is better? Some people are saying the rx580 is better than the 1060 vise versa.

No because "better" is a value judgement. Just what makes a better system in your mind?

 

Besides, both options in the OP have issues.

 

[Owen the Trusty man]

17 minutes ago, brob said:

No because "better" is a value judgement. Just what makes a better system in your mind?

 

Besides, both options in the OP have issues.

 

In my mind, the better pc is the one that has more power for gaming. Like more FPS on games like fortnite and over watch. And if those aren’t good options, can you give me a pc part locker link to a good pc for gaming in the price range of about $700 - $800

[brob]

An Intel and an AMD system have been suggested. Pick one (they have similar gaming performance), adjust it to your preferences and post the permalink, (or click [bb] above the list and paste result). If there are any issues, I'm sure someone will comment.