cooling Help Todd Howard With a Decision

[Todd Howard]

I just made a new account on the forums because I cannot find the perfect cpu cooler for a pc that I will be building.

I want to heavily overclock the Ryzen 3 1300x, and I need a good cooler to do so. I haven't ordered any parts yet.

I plan on upgrading my Ryzen 3 to a Ryzen 7 2700x a month or so after I get my PC running, I just need to save a couple hundred bucks for now.

 

So basically I need help finding a fantastic cpu cooler that can overclock a Ryzen 3 to around 5 GHz maintaining a stable temperature of 75 celsius or less, because I want to get maximum performance. 

Help please.

(hopefully i posted this in the correct section)

edit:

Thanks for the suggestions, I could use more if you have any.

I'd prefer air coolers over water coolers.

Thanks to all who helped.

[RyzenUp]

corsair AIO water cooler

[combine1237]

4ghz yes 5 is no go with ryzen. It'll play Skyrim fine either way.

[Lurick]

There is no cooler, short of maybe LN2, that will let you get anywhere near 5GHz on a Ryzen chip. Even the luckiest people top out around 4.2 to 4.4 GHz on their chips.

[Todd Howard]

1 minute ago, ForChickenNuggets said:

corsair AIO water cooler

I'd prefer air cooling over water cooling, but I'll look into it.

[combine1237]

33 minutes ago, Lurick said:

There is no cooler, short of maybe LN2, that will let you get anywhere near 5GHz on a Ryzen chip. Even the luckiest people top out around 4.2 to 4.4 GHz on their chips.

My shitty 1700 won't even go above 3.8 rock stable.

 

32 minutes ago, Todd Howard said:

I'd prefer air cooling over water cooling, but I'll look into it.

Noctua, phanteks, or scythe twin tower air cooler I have a scythe fuuma rev b on mine.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-FUMA-Rev-B-Cooler-SCFM-1100/dp/B075FX95F2

[Todd Howard]

34 minutes ago, combine1237 said:

4ghz yes 5 is no go with ryzen. It'll play Skyrim fine either way.

I was planning on skyrim VR w/1050 ti.

I still want to heavily overclock though.

 

31 minutes ago, combine1237 said:

Noctua, phanteks, or scythe twin tower air cooler I have a scythe fuuma rev b on mine.

https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-FUMA-Rev-B-Cooler-SCFM-1100/dp/B075FX95F2

Ok, I'll check it out right now.

By the way, are you overclocking your ryzen also? If so, could I have the temps of it with your Scythe Fuma?

[combine1237]

1 minute ago, Todd Howard said:

Ok, I'll check it out right now.

The main reason I got this one was lower clearance and price compared to others.

[sazrocks]

You’re not hitting 5 GHz without liquid nitrogen.

[Todd Howard]

28 minutes ago, combine1237 said:

The main reason I got this one was lower clearance and price compared to others.

What are the temps and did you overclock?

 

27 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

You’re not hitting 5 GHz without liquid nitrogen.

An i5-8600k can hit 5 GHz, I am looking into that, but I prefer a Ryzen cpu much more than intel.

[combine1237]

26 minutes ago, Todd Howard said:

What are the temps and did you overclock?

70 at 1.42v and 3.85 clock

again mine is a shitty bin

[Todd Howard]

Just now, combine1237 said:

70 at 1.42v and 3.85 clock

Oh,

Do you think that a Ryzen 1300x would have better temps and higher clock than a 1700?

 

[sazrocks]

4 minutes ago, Todd Howard said:

An i5-8600k can hit 5 GHz, I am looking into that, but I prefer a Ryzen cpu much more than intel.

Why do you care about having 5GHz so much? It’s not like your 1050ti is going to overwhelm your CPU.

[Todd Howard]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100

 

That is the cooler I was thinking of.

Someone overclocked an i5 to GHz at a 73C temp.

[combine1237]

Just now, Todd Howard said:

Oh,

Do you think that a Ryzen 1300x would have better temps and higher clock than a 1700?

 

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I'd hope you could get around 4.0 at lower temps.

[Todd Howard]

22 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Why do you care about having 5GHz so much? Its not like your 1050ti is going to overwhelm your CPU.

My performance needs to just work.

I want maximum ultra settings on games, since my current laptop isn't the best.

And I am going to be running VR so I want to squeeze out every drop of performance I can.

 

22 minutes ago, combine1237 said:

I'd hope you could get around 4.0 at lower temps.

Yeah, hopefully. If not I'll just sell my Ryzen 3 and go for a Ryzen 7 2700x.

[Lurick]

Why bother buying and then selling in another month to buy something else?

New Nvidia GPUs and going to launch soon (next couple weeks hopefully) so I would at least wait until then.

[sazrocks]

1 minute ago, Todd Howard said:

Yeah, I know. After a few months I was planning on a 1080 when I save up enough, would a 1080 overwhelm the CPU?

1. Maybe, at really high refresh rates, but VR should be fine as long as you have decently fast ram.

2. Get a 2080 not a 1080

3. If you have enough money to get a 1080 in a few months why not wait a bit and get a 2700x?

[Todd Howard]

Just now, Lurick said:

Why bother buying and then selling in another month to buy something else?

New Nvidia GPUs and going to launch soon (next couple weeks hopefully) so I would at least wait until then.

Maybe. Maybe I'll wait and get a 1070 or something.

I am not getting an RTX series graphics card though.

They will probably be in the thousands.

[Nocte]

3 minutes ago, Todd Howard said:

Someone overclocked an i5 to GHz at a 73C temp.

You are comparing two compeltely different architectures. Getting higher clocks does not mean the CPU is gonna perform better than another one with a different architecture. Otherwise AMD FX lineup would have been a monster one (it wasn't).

[Lurick]

Just now, Todd Howard said:

Maybe. Maybe I'll wait and get a 1070 or something.

I am not getting an RTX series graphics card though.

They will probably be in the thousands.

The 2080Ti is rumored to cost between $800 and $1000 so they aren't going to be that expensive for the 2070 and 2080

[Todd Howard]

19 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

1. Maybe, at really high refresh rates, but VR should be fine as long as you have decently fast ram.

2. Get a 2080 not a 1080

3. If you have enough money to get a 1080 in a few months why not wait a bit and get a 2700x?

I can afford a 1080, but it would cut my money in half. And 2080s will be way too expensive when they come out.

EDIT: Realized you said 2080TI, I might wait for a graphics card then.

 

18 minutes ago, Lurick said:

The 2080Ti is rumored to cost between $800 and $1000 so they aren't going to be that expensive for the 2070 and 2080

That would take up about 3/4 of my PC budget.

I'm going to get a cheaper graphics card and maybe sell it off in a few months.

I am really just eager to experience VR.

EDIT: Also realized you said 2080TI.

 

19 minutes ago, Nocte said:

You are comparing two compeltely different architectures. Getting higher clocks does not mean the CPU is gonna perform better than another one with a different architecture. Otherwise AMD FX lineup would have been a monster one (it wasn't).

You have a good point, but it seems as if the i5 is better than a ryzen.

And yeah, comparing two seperate brands of cpus isn't the best comparison.

 

 

Don't forget that we're now talking about graphics cards and all I want is a really good cpu cooler.

Edited August 19, 2018 by Todd Howard
Cause I'm a Godd.

[EsaT]

2 hours ago, Todd Howard said:

I If so, could I have the temps of it with your Scythe Fuma?

Not a single reason to look at it:

Mugen 5 has little better performance

https://www.nikktech.com/main/articles/pc-hardware/cpu-cooling/cpu-air-coolers/7565-scythe-mugen-5-cpu-cooler-review?showall=&start=5

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8409/scythe-fuma-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

 

While avoiding all memory clearance issues:

https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/4/8409_25_scythe-fuma-rev-cpu-cooler-review_full.jpg

https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/3/8320_29_scythe-mugen-5-rev-cpu-cooler-review_full.jpg

 

 

2 hours ago, Nocte said:

You are comparing two compeltely different architectures. Getting higher clocks does not mean the CPU is gonna perform better than another one with a different architecture. Otherwise AMD FX lineup would have been a monster one (it wasn't).

Ryzen would clock higher than currently if it was made on process comparable to Intel's manufacturing process.

Global Foundries' current node just doesn't scale for high clocks.

Which isn't surprise considering it was originally aimed for lower power mobile chips instead of high performance desktop CPUs.

(because of that pre-release expectations were for 3½GHz clocks)

[Todd Howard]

2 hours ago, EsaT said:

Not a single reason to look at it:

Mugen 5 has little better performance

https://www.nikktech.com/main/articles/pc-hardware/cpu-cooling/cpu-air-coolers/7565-scythe-mugen-5-cpu-cooler-review?showall=&start=5

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8409/scythe-fuma-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

 

While avoiding all memory clearance issues:

https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/4/8409_25_scythe-fuma-rev-cpu-cooler-review_full.jpg

https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/3/8320_29_scythe-mugen-5-rev-cpu-cooler-review_full.jpg

 

 

Ryzen would clock higher than currently if it was made on process comparable to Intel's manufacturing process.

Global Foundries' current node just doesn't scale for high clocks.

Which isn't surprise considering it was originally aimed for lower power mobile chips instead of high performance desktop CPUs.

(because of that pre-release expectations were for 3½GHz clocks)

Thanks.

I was really looking into the Mugen 5 Rev. B, and I was going to get it if I got no more suggestions.

I am now definitely going to get that cpu cooler for overclocking.

[geo3]

I have a 2700x myself. I use a BeQuiet Dark Rock TF. I hit 4.2Ghz on all cores @1.3125v.  This is about as far as you can expect to push 2nd gen Ryzen. You can get higher with a lot more voltage, but there is no way an air cooler or AIO will work in that situation. You will need phase change or even LN2.

 

For 1st Gen Ryzen like the 1300x that limit is about 4.0Ghz. 

 

If you are really looking to do heavy overclocking then get an Intel chip. All current Ryzen chips can only achieve modest overclocks on air.

 

3rd gen Ryzen will be on 7nm so maybe it will hit much higher clocks, but I doubt even that can get to 5Ghz without extreme cooling.