video editing Video Editing Rig 2018

[Lander-Peeters]

Dear pc builders

 

I'm about to build my first pc, but have some trouble choosing the right parts for my build.

At school I learn video and photo editing, the programs used for these tasks are: Photoshop, Premiere Pro and After Effects. I'm currently using a Macbook Pro (2017) but would like some more horsepower under the hood. Especially for After Effects and to render my videos. I have allready looked at the system requirements but it hasn't made me any wiser. What I would like to know is what type of CPU, Motherboard, GPU I need.

 

For example:

 

CPU:

- How many Cores

- How many Threads

- What Clockspeeds

 

Recomended CPU

 

Motherboard:

- What Chipset

 

Recomended Motherboard

 

GPU:

- how many Video RAM

- What brand AMD Vs. Nvidea  --> OpenCL Vs. Cuda

 

Recomended GPU

 

If there are other ways for achieving more out of my Macbook Pro please let me know and if they are better than buying another pc.

Specs of my Macbook Pro:

 

CPU: Intel i7 2,9 Ghz base clock (3,5 Ghz boost clock)

Memory: 16 GB RAM

GPU: AMD Radeon Pro 560 4 GB

 

My budget for a new pc is: 1500$

I would rather spend less ?.

Less is more ?.

 

I'm looking forward to be recieving some helpfull answers!

Thanks in advance!

 

Lander Peeters

[SupaKomputa]

CPU: the highest thread count - Ryzen 2700

Motherboard : x470

GPU : 1060 with 4gb at least, cuda seems favored by adobe than opencl.

 

That will blow your macbook for sure.

[Lander-Peeters]

Thanks for your quick response!

 

Why the highest thread count?

what does it do?

and the Ryzen 2700 is an 8 core CPU do I need those 8 cores?

[Br3tt96]

16 minutes ago, Lander-Peeters said:

Thanks for your quick response!

 

Why the highest thread count?

what does it do?

and the Ryzen 2700 is an 8 core CPU do I need those 8 cores?

That chip is 8 cores and 16 threads. For video editing those 8 cores and 16 threads will help a lot. More cores and threads the faster the videos will render

[Lander-Peeters]

2 minutes ago, Br3tt96 said:

That chip is 8 cores and 16 threads. For video editing those 8 cores and 16 threads will help a lot. More cores and threads the faster the videos will render

Thanks for your answer!

[Br3tt96]

Just now, Lander-Peeters said:

Thanks for your answer!

A friend has a i3 and used photoshop and made a 16k photo to show the rendering skills on his pc. if he moved to a different area it'd take 3-5 seconds to reload, but on my i7 it was almost instantaneous compared to his

[Taf the Ghost]

@Lander-Peeters

 

Since you're in the Adobe ecosystem, you'll want a 8700 or 8700k build with at least 16 Gb of memory. I priced out a decent X299 build, but that'd go beyond your budget.

[Lander-Peeters]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

@Lander-Peeters

 

Since you're in the Adobe ecosystem, you'll want a 8700 or 8700k build with at least 16 Gb of memory. I priced out a decent X299 build, but that'd go beyond your budget.

Why would I want a 8700 or 8700k from intel? Isn't amd enough?

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Lander-Peeters said:

Why would I want a 8700 or 8700k from intel? Isn't amd enough?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QkdvdX

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($103.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($160.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($107.99 @ Walmart) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($57.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card  ($292.89 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1241.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-14 09:39 EDT-0400

 

Because it's Adobe. Their products are less broken on Intel platforms. It works on AMD, but it'll run better on Intel because "Adobe". 

 

I've been dealing with this problem for way, way too long. It's encoded in Adobe's cultural DNA, at this point. Optimization isn't really their strong suit.

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Lander-Peeters said:

Why would I want a 8700 or 8700k from intel? Isn't amd enough?

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2018-CPU-Performance-AMD-Ryzen-2-vs-Intel-8th-Gen-1136/

 

Puget has benchmarks on many of these things, and it's pretty consistent. This mostly comes down to so many tasks operating from a single primary Thread, so they're bound to very much to the clockspeed on that thread. Intel has higher clocks and lower memory latency this generation, so Adobe products work better on them.

[Lander-Peeters]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2018-CPU-Performance-AMD-Ryzen-2-vs-Intel-8th-Gen-1136/

 

Puget has benchmarks on many of these things, and it's pretty consistent. This mostly comes down to so many tasks operating from a single primary Thread, so they're bound to very much to the clockspeed on that thread. Intel has higher clocks and lower memory latency this generation, so Adobe products work better on them.

okay thank you so much for your help!

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Lander-Peeters said:

okay thank you so much for your help!

I've taken to calling it "CS:GO Optimization". With CS:GO, the basic idea is to break the Game Engine via pushing down latencies in certain areas. Turns out, a huge chunk of Production Tasks operate on the same principles. They really, really shouldn't, but no one noticed because of the issues with the previous AMD Architecture bottlenecking itself.

 

One of the funky results of AMD being competitive again in the CPU space is it turns out Developers have left a massive amount of performance on the table via never actually optimizing a huge portion of the tasks. Huge chunks of programs are Latency bound when they really shouldn't be.

[Taf the Ghost]

7 minutes ago, Lander-Peeters said:

okay thank you so much for your help!

I'd also love to tell you to just get a 2600X and be done with it, as it's a good chunk cheaper, but, with your budget, you'll actually get more noticeable performance out of the 8700 because of those oddities. Tis just where things are right now.

[Lander-Peeters]

So conclusion of the day "life s*cks" ?.

[Lander-Peeters]

could you tell me whats up with memory because my cpu says 2666 Mhz but what if I buy more Mhz

[Lander-Peeters]

@Taf the Ghost

 

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, Lander-Peeters said:

could you tell me whats up with memory because my cpu says 2666 Mhz but what if I buy more Mhz

You need the Z370 platform to "Overclock" the memory. Any of the Coffee Lake parts on Z370 will do at least 3200 Mhz with just the XMP settings. It's faster and with similar latency. Technically, you only need 3000 to saturate most things (unless you spend a long time tuning the memory), but the faster memory matters for the types of tasks you're asking about.

[Lander-Peeters]

okay makes sense thanks again ?

 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Lander-Peeters said:

okay makes sense thanks again ?

 

There's performance & compatibility stuff to discuss. Then there is dealing with the way Intel segments their markets.

 

X299, their HEDT platform, is something of a nightmare to explain. "If I have this CPU, these slots don't WORK?". Stuff like that.

[Lander-Peeters]

yeah easy is something else.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Lander-Peeters said:

yeah easy is something else.

8700 is a good price/performance CPU in the Coffee Lake stack, as well. Just put it into the board, set the memory (in BIOS) to 3200 and then go. For a new builder, it should be a fairly painless process.

[Lander-Peeters]

8 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

8700 is a good price/performance CPU in the Coffee Lake stack, as well. Just put it into the board, set the memory (in BIOS) to 3200 and then go. For a new builder, it should be a fairly painless process.

thanks alot!

[Cameracasper]

On 14-8-2018 at 10:24 AM, Taf the Ghost said:

8700 is a good price/performance CPU in the Coffee Lake stack, as well. Just put it into the board, set the memory (in BIOS) to 3200 and then go. For a new builder, it should be a fairly painless process.

Dear @Taf the Ghost, i am buying a pc to for the same adobe products that @Lander-Peeters is using but I saw at some benchmarks that the Ryzen 2700x is smoother at scrubbing trough the timeline the the 8700K. My question is: are the problems, that you maybe get when editing in premiere on a Ryzen, really that big? And can’t you fix those problems? I just really want to make sure I get a smooth timeline and renders times doesn’t really bother me that much. so the main question are those 2 cores the big difference I need!? Thanks!

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, Cameracasper said:

Dear @Taf the Ghost, i am buying a pc to for the same adobe products that @Lander-Peeters is using but I saw at some benchmarks that the Ryzen 2700x is smoother at scrubbing trough the timeline the the 8700K. My question is: are the problems, that you maybe get when editing in premiere on a Ryzen, really that big? And can’t you fix those problems? I just really want to make sure I get a smooth timeline and renders times doesn’t really bother me that much. so the main question are those 2 cores the big difference I need!? Thanks!

Ryzen 2700X will work fine with Adobe. The difference isn't that much, but, depending on workload, it can show up at a measurable amount. But that's down to single thread clock speeds, and mostly just that.