1950x or Zen2?

[Zeonymous]

Been looking at the prices of the Threadripper 16-core, and I have been really drawn to it, as I'd be building my FIRST PC, but also attempting to stream, while also giving myself some headroom for video editing, and the likes in the future if I require it later.
My question is, grab up the 1950x, or wait until the presumed 7nm (rumored 16-core) chip comes out, which is (rumored) to overclock ~5GHz.
The 1950x in my eyes is a great deal, of course, but it's overclocking capabilities are lackluster in comparison to intel's chips with half the cores, but still leading the charge in per-core performance, and as well, overclocking capabilities.
I've already decided to wait until the GTX announce, and as everyone else, am waiting with bated breath to know when these will be dropping, but as I wait, I wanted to get some input on what you guys think of my idea of waiting for the next-gen AMD CPUs, and whether or not these will be priced similarly to the 1950x, and marketed towards gamers (hence the rumors of a 5GHz overlock) and if that would translate to either being marketed cheaper, or on par with the current 16-core, as they seem to be looking to move them off shelves in anticipation for the next-gen release.

Disclaimer: This is all coming from a Console Pleb, with no actual PC experience, and any and all information here could be non-factual, however I feel as though I have done enough homework to be able to have these suspicions on the path that AMD is taking.

Caseless theoretical build:
(1080Ti as a placeholder for presumed next-gen GPU pricing to be in-line with current MSRP.)
RBG EVERYTHING (Old School Raver. Don't judge.)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2HjgzY

[DrMacintosh]

Do you need/want a rig right now? If yes then the 1950X will do you well. If you can wait then there is no harm in waiting for the next generation of AMD processors.  

[Zeonymous]

Right now, is debatable on current budget. It would likely be end-2018 until I have the funds to outright build the PC, at current. I'm not sure how AMD releases their new hardware, and also not knowing what to expect in terms of how long that wait could be. As the GTX announce has been rumored since April, yet we've still not seen anything, I'm wondering if this is the same way all of the big names in technology follow suit, either to gain hype, or literally waiting for the other side to make a move. (In which case AMD has been going for the throat recently, and that doesn't worry me too much in terms of waiting.)

Edit:
As well, not knowing if the 1950x would ever be as low as it is now is something that's also a concern.

[Streetguru]

30 minutes ago, Zeonymous said:

 

Unless you need to do 4k streaming somehow the R7 2700X is going to be fine, very likely we see a 12 core/16 core for X470

 

Otherwise you need a TR4 specific cooler, and you should be getting quad channel memory.

What's your monitor resolution/refresh rate going to be?

[Ahajha]

You mentioned the build knowingly does not have a case, but you also do not have an SSD. For a build that high end, an SSD should be a no brainer. At the bare minimum, get a 240ish GB SSD from a name brand, like Samsung or WD (there are more, but those are the first that came to mind).

 

As for the CPU, if you're waiting, I would look at what  Threadripper 2 has to offer, either meaning you get more performance, or the 1950X further drops in price.

[Zeonymous]

16 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Unless you need to do 4k streaming somehow the R7 2700X is going to be fine, very likely we see a 12 core/16 core for X470

 

Otherwise you need a TR4 specific cooler, and you should be getting quad channel memory.

What's your monitor resolution/refresh rate going to be?

Monitor is a Samsung KS8000 (Which is a TV) it's said the refresh rate is 120 Hz (One of the main reason I purchased it) however, after the fact, rtings.com had changed it to be situational, in a case called "Soap Opera" effect, which means that it's not native 120hz, and that really ticks me off, but if its anything over 60hz, I could be okay with it. Even 75hz would be fine at this point.
It is 4K, and this build is projected to at some point in the future be suitable for VR (Elite Dangerous, and anything else I can throw at it, honestly.)

Of course room to expand to a higher refresh-rate monitor would be in the cards later out, as well.

 

11 minutes ago, Ahajha said:

You mentioned the build knowingly does not have a case, but you also do not have an SSD. For a build that high end, an SSD should be a no brainer. At the bare minimum, get a 240ish GB SSD from a name brand, like Samsung or WD (there are more, but those are the first that came to mind).

 

As for the CPU, if you're waiting, I would look at what  Threadripper 2 has to offer, either meaning you get more performance, or the 1950X further drops in price.

I'm aware. As it's a build in-progress, in order to get everything situated quickly, as to be able to build it outright, and obviously trying to go for excess, the SSD was put on hold as to go for a larger, more expensive piece there. Not that it was outright forgotten, but specifically put to the wayside in order for that to be one of the very few corners that I could potentially cut on costs in order to have the system operational, with all the rest of what is required, functionally working.

I can agree, throwing an OS SSD specifically for that reason is something that could be considered once I've doubled down on my decisions overall. In retrospect the reasoning is that of pinching pennies, comparatively to the rest of the build.

Yeah, that seems like a good point on the Gen2, I'm however worried about price. The reason for jumping on things now, is realistically due to the price-point, but now since that price-point has opened my eyes to what the hardware is capable of, and caters to my needs (Outside of the lax overlclocking [comparatively]) I may bite that bullet, and push my projections back until early 2019, when I could reasonably afford the whole setup, outright.

[Streetguru]

29 minutes ago, Zeonymous said:

 

Ya no TV is over 60hz, 4K 120hz monitors are like $1999 right now.

But are you actually streaming or capturing in 4k? If not just get an X470 build.

[Zeonymous]

37 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Ya no TV is over 60hz, 4K 120hz monitors are like $1999 right now.

But are you actually streaming or capturing in 4k? If not just get an X470 build.

Likely streaming in 1080p, it depends if my setup can handle 4K gaming while simultaneously streaming. I'm not that elitest type who needs 420fps (Not that 4K gets high FPS anyway) but if the stream is coming in at a down-scaled 1080p, and 4K FPS is [reasonable] I'm fine with that.

I've heard so many horror stories about SLI, so I'm holding off for the 1100 series, not only to see the preformance difference, but I've also heard a fair share of nightmares for the 1080 Ti crowd, as well. I still haven't pinpointed the real issues there, but if the next release alleviates the problems there, I'm game to wait on it.

Ah, well, MAYBE capturing. (Likely after I get more acclimated with basic streaming) That could be useful, but not entirely necessary. I don't expect to dive straight into the deep end when it comes to streaming 4K, however. A reasonable stream-side FPS would be optimal. Such as, I've noticed from Linus' video on streaming that AMD, likely due to its core count, I would assume (Could be much more than I'm scratching at the surface) is the king, when it comes to streaming. So, by proxy, the Threadripper in essence should be more than enough (or the Zen2) to both game, and stream, without the need for a dedicated streaming PC.

However, way down the line, I'm sure a streaming PC is projected, here. There's no need to limit my own experience if I can afford to just  get a dedicated rig for streaming.

[Streetguru]

11 minutes ago, Zeonymous said:

 

4K gaming doesn't stress the CPU more than 1080p gaming, 4K streaming would be a giant pain

 

an R7 chip is going to be fine for 1080p streaming, and the 1700X is on some crazy sale.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qMBWfH
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qMBWfH/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($27.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.99 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($148.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $476.96
 

[Zeonymous]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

4K gaming doesn't stress the CPU more than 1080p gaming, 4K streaming would be a giant pain

 

an R7 chip is going to be fine for 1080p streaming, and the 1700X is on some crazy sale.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qMBWfH
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qMBWfH/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($27.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.99 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($148.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $476.96
 

Yeah, the main allure is being able to stream while retaining a maximum in-game experience. Such is my rationalization for the 1950x. In so, even the 7series gen2 would be on my radar, if the 1950x successor is absorbingly overpriced in comparison to the Gen1.

I'll look into what it takes to stream in 4K, later on down the line. However I'm doing my best to maximize in all aspect. Such as rendering, if I ever do get into capturing, or video editing. It's more of a "Why upgrade later, when you have the means to do what you want to in the future, today?" mentality build.

Basically mid-high (imo) gaming/workstation. RGB for flair, ha.

Edit: Wait, are you suggesting this as a streaming rig on it's own? In which case, this is similarly in line to the "Down the road" aspect, after the monster has been hit with the lightning bolt.

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, Zeonymous said:

 

If you really just want the 16 core CPU wait for Threadripper 2

 

the biggest bonus will be lower voltage for the same clocks vs a 1950X


 

 

[Zeonymous]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If you really just want the 16 core CPU wait for Threadripper 2

 

the biggest bonus will be lower voltage for the same clocks vs a 1950X

 

Right on. That's a good answer, and the explanation provided by GN is good to know, knowing that OC isn't really the fine line to be drawn when it comes down to it in performance. It's nice to have higher numbers to boast, but seeing this, it makes me reevaluate the situating regarding clocks.

I guess why not wait. In which time I'll have more than enough saved to make a good decision, and maybe even find some awesome deals coming Cyber Monday.