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I've also been going back and forth on this, but I decided on water cooling (what really sold me is that the MasterLiquid is an AIO).

So there we go...I guess we're getting close to a build that I would buy and have fun with.

However, due to my case I'll just have to get something like a MasterLiquid Pro 140. 

I guess it's close to the time to build. Thanks for the help.

So...here we go:

1. AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (and Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste)

2. Cooler Master Hyper RR-212E-20PK-R2 LED CPU Cooler

3. GIGABYTE X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING motherboard

4. Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory

5. Samsung 970 EVO 250GB - NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD

6. WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch Desktop Hard Drive 

7. Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card

8. Corsair CC-9011023-WWCORSAIR CARBIDE 200R Compact ATX Case

9. EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

10. Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer

11. Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter

My budget is pretty much to get a price close to the laptop I currently use, a MacBook Air 13" (mine is $1200.)

With PC Part Picker, the price is going to be around $1100 dollars (in US dollars) (though not including keyboard, mouse, and monitor).

The main aim for this is gaming, though I would also use it casually (like I would with a laptop)

I'm probably going to use 1 monitor. 

So now I need suggestions. I don't know if I would need any extra things (like more case fans) especially since this is my first setup I'm planning to do.

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Do you have a particular use for the Blu-Ray Writer?

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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9 minutes ago, brob said:

Do you have a particular use for the Blu-Ray Writer?

No...I changed it to an Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer

 

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Do you even need an optical drive?

 

It would be better to get a 2x8GB memory kit. This would leave two slots free for a non replacement upgrade should that ever be necessary.

 

There are reports of issues with G3 psu. You might consider instead a G2, Seasonic Focus Gold or Focus Plus Gold, or a Corsair RMx.

 

You might consider a less powerful cpu and more powerful gpu.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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5 minutes ago, brob said:

Do you even need an optical drive?

Yes.

5 minutes ago, brob said:

It would be better to get a 2x8GB memory kit. This would leave two slots free for a non replacement upgrade should that ever be necessary.

 

There are reports of issues with G3 psu. You might consider instead a G2, Seasonic Focus Gold or Focus Plus Gold, or a Corsair RMx.

 

You might consider a less powerful cpu and more powerful gpu.

Alright, will edit my post in a few...I was considering less powerful cpu's for this

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some overhauls...:

My budget has increased a little...like...quite the "little" bit. (probably I could go to 2,000)

The differences:
1. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core 

2. Water cooling. Still haven't decided what do buy for this

6. Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

7. Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card

9. EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

What water cooling should I use for the case?
Pretty much my only concern that bugs me at this point is, well, this is going to be my first build. I don't know if water cooling will be too difficult for now.

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AIO cpu coolers are quite simple to install.

 

If the budget has increased you might spend a bit more on the case. As it stands 240mm radiators are a tight fit in the 200R. In fact none of the Corsair 240mm aio are listed as compatible with the case.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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3 hours ago, brob said:

AIO cpu coolers are quite simple to install.

 

If the budget has increased you might spend a bit more on the case. As it stands 240mm radiators are a tight fit in the 200R. In fact none of the Corsair 240mm aio are listed as compatible with the case.

I guess... a Corsair - 750D ATX Full Tower Case?

Also, do I need anything else for cooling?

There's also this note on PCPARTPICKER:
"The Corsair - H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard."
What does this mean?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6dw7W

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I thought about what I wanted to do and I guess I'll just do air cooling for now.

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7 hours ago, Abequinn said:

I guess... a Corsair - 750D ATX Full Tower Case?

Also, do I need anything else for cooling?

There's also this note on PCPARTPICKER:
"The Corsair - H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard."
What does this mean?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6dw7W

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.89 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 Micro ATX Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($719.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($18.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($296.93 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($28.23 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech - Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers  ($79.99 @ Dell) 
Total: $2155.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-21 08:21 EDT-0400

 

*Motherboard has Wi-Fi included

*Intel build for better performance on 99% of games

*Better Value SSD. Not as fast, but still NVME speeds

*Upgrade to GTX 1080 Ti

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13 hours ago, forregacc02 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.89 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 Micro ATX Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($719.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($18.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($296.93 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($28.23 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech - Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers  ($79.99 @ Dell) 
Total: $2155.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-21 08:21 EDT-0400

 

*Motherboard has Wi-Fi included

*Intel build for better performance on 99% of games

*Better Value SSD. Not as fast, but still NVME speeds

*Upgrade to GTX 1080 Ti

Nice. So, I would still need to buy some tubing and a reservoir, but other than that I'm good?

Well, I researched water cooling my GPU, and I guess I'll just resort to air cooling for that and everything else. hmm...though I really want to do air cooling. You know what, I'll just do that for now.

Also, I'm assuming I could stream on this if I got an Elgato.

So basically....there are a couple modifications.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.89 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  ($5.66 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 Micro ATX Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($719.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($40.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($18.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($296.93 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($28.23 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech - Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers  ($79.99 @ Dell) 
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe  ($164.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2282.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-21 22:14 EDT-0400

 

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Well, I pretty much reversed my overhauls. I was wondering, what I actually wanted.

Changes:

Downgraded CPU to Ryzen 5 
Downgraded the 4K monitor to a 1080P monitor

Downgraded GPU to GTX 1070 Ti

Change to ATX motherboard and ATX case

Downgraded PSU to 500W bronze

I could have gotten all of everything above but I just thought it was overkill for my setup.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($188.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  ($5.66 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($131.19 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($439.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($25.98 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($18.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($179.99 @ B&H) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($28.23 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech - Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers  ($79.99 @ Dell) 
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe  ($164.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1712.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-21 22:31 EDT-0400

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11 hours ago, Abequinn said:

Nice. So, I would still need to buy some tubing and a reservoir, but other than that I'm good?

 

 

No need to buy tubing and reservoir for the Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB. It's an all in one liquid cooling system already. No need to buy thermal paste also. You just have to install everything and you're good to go.

 

7 hours ago, Abequinn said:

Downgraded CPU to Ryzen 5 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($188.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  ($5.66 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
 

1.) You need to get faster memory for Ryzen. The slow 2400mhz memory is good for intel build only. For Ryzen, I would suggest 3000mhz or above. Something like this: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series

 

2.) No need to get thermal compound. The one included in the Hyper 212 is almost as good as the Arctic Silver.

 

I would only suggest that you get a thermal compound if you will be doing extreme overclocking with stuff like custom watercooling, or large AIOs. For that matter, I would suggest the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g

 

3.) Since you will be doing overclocks, you can get the AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 instead to save some money. Performance difference will be 0-5% when both chips are overclocked.

 

 

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2 hours ago, forregacc02 said:

No need to buy tubing and reservoir for the Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB. It's an all in one liquid cooling system already. No need to buy thermal paste also. You just have to install everything and you're good to go.

 

1.) You need to get faster memory for Ryzen. The slow 2400mhz memory is good for intel build only. For Ryzen, I would suggest 3000mhz or above. Something like this: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series

 

2.) No need to get thermal compound. The one included in the Hyper 212 is almost as good as the Arctic Silver.

 

I would only suggest that you get a thermal compound if you will be doing extreme overclocking with stuff like custom watercooling, or large AIOs. For that matter, I would suggest the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g

 

3.) Since you will be doing overclocks, you can get the AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 instead to save some money. Performance difference will be 0-5% when both chips are overclocked.

 

 

Thanks for the advice.

I'm not planning to do extreme overclocks, other than that I took your advice for the memory and the thermal compound.

Are the fans that come with the case good enough for my build?

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On 7/21/2018 at 7:24 AM, forregacc02 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.89 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 Micro ATX Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($719.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($18.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($296.93 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($28.23 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech - Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers  ($79.99 @ Dell) 
Total: $2155.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-21 08:21 EDT-0400

 

*Motherboard has Wi-Fi included

*Intel build for better performance on 99% of games

*Better Value SSD. Not as fast, but still NVME speeds

*Upgrade to GTX 1080 Ti

 

Crazy thing here samples for the XPG are still pretty small numbers, but current overall benching here says it wins by a narrow margin over 970 Evo 500 GB... http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-970-Evo-NVMe-PCIe-M2-500GB-vs-Adata-XPG-SX8200-NVMe-PCIe-M2-480GB/m493995vsm482768

Rawr.

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12 hours ago, Abequinn said:

Well, I pretty much reversed my overhauls. I was wondering, what I actually wanted.

Changes:

...

Downgraded PSU to 500W bronze

...

Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($25.98 @ Newegg) 

...

Total: $1712.90
...

 

500W is not enough, especially if one intends to do any sort of overclock. I'd suggest 650W.

 

More importantly, the selected model is far from optimal for the build.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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4 hours ago, brob said:

 

500W is not enough, especially if one intends to do any sort of overclock. I'd suggest 650W.

 

More importantly, the selected model is far from optimal for the build.

Alright.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($188.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($131.19 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($179.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($439.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($81.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($18.89 @ OutletPC) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Netgear - A6210-100PAS USB 3.0 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($40.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($179.99 @ B&H) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($28.23 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech - Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers  ($79.99 @ Dell) 
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe  ($164.95 @ Amazon) 
Other: Corsair Gaming MM100 Cloth Mouse Pad (CH-9100020-WW)  ($9.47 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1853.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-22 15:36 EDT-0400

The Wifi is just a temporary solution until I have power-line communication (for ethernet).

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I've also been going back and forth on this, but I decided on water cooling (what really sold me is that the MasterLiquid is an AIO).

So there we go...I guess we're getting close to a build that I would buy and have fun with.

However, due to my case I'll just have to get something like a MasterLiquid Pro 140. 

I guess it's close to the time to build. Thanks for the help.

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