Opinions needed.

[Zeorth]

Build 1: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xMDCr6

Build 2: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7mHfmq

Build 3: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9qybkd

Which one should I choose? Any changes I should make?

[FloRolf]

These all suck for a mining and render server. 

[Zeorth]

1 minute ago, FloRolf said:

These all suck for a mining and render server. 

Im not going to be mining or rendering. Just gaming and some light light streaming in the future maybe.

[chckovsky]

What are you going to use these for?

[Zeorth]

Just now, chckovsky said:

What are you going to use these for?

Just gaming and some light light streaming in the future maybe.

[Jurrunio]

what games are these?

[Zeorth]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

what games are these?

Battlefield, Witcher, Rainbow 6, Forza 7, GTA etc.

[chckovsky]

First one is fine. BUT:

 

1) 750W is super overkill, 450- 550w should be plenty for this rig.

 

 2) I'd choose a case with better airflow.

 

3) unless ou play veru CPU intensive games, you may be better off downgrading to a 8600k and upgrading to a 1080ti.

[Zeorth]

6 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

First one is fine. BUT:

 

1) 750W is super overkill, 450- 550w should be plenty for this rig.

 

 2) I'd choose a case with better airflow.

 

3) unless ou play veru CPU intensive games, you may be better off downgrading to a 8600k and upgrading to a 1080ti.

1) Its on sale where I live for $75 so I thought it would be good

2) Any suggestions?

3) I use a 1080p 144Hz screen so I was told 1080Ti would be overkill.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, OreoPandas said:

2) Any suggestions?

Silverstone RL06 and Fractal Meshify C?

 

1 hour ago, OreoPandas said:

3) I use a 1080p 144Hz screen so I was told 1080Ti would be overkill.

Then save some money and use the 1070ti/1080 instead. 1080ti is more reliable when it comes to 144fps in demanding games though

[Sernefarian]

These two SSD Options provide equivalent or better(M.2) performance at a lower price point:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fgZFf7/crucial-mx500-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct500mx500ssd4

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ft8j4D/crucial-mx500-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct500mx500ssd1

 

For the RAM these are higher clock AND tighter timing sticks, though not RGB: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Nqp323/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvrb

 

The case they mentioned above in black: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6Crxr/fractal-design-meshify-c-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko-tg

in White: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BBrmP6/fractal-design-meshify-c-white-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-wt-tgc

 

#1 with some alterations that should decrease cost and increase both cooling and performance: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rBVdFt

[chckovsky]

4 hours ago, Sernefarian said:

These two SSD Options provide equivalent or better(M.2) performance at a lower price point:

Semi-accurate. m.2 does nothing for speed compared to regular SATA. You need an NVMe drive for that. They are (usually) a lot more expensive and not really worth it for most gaming workloads.

[chckovsky]

Also, you may need a different PSU if you're going for Meshify C.

 

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The Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply length of 180mm exceeds Fractal Design - Meshify C White TG ATX Mid Tower Case maximum of 175mm.

 

Seasonic Focus Plus would be an amazing choice in this case.

[Sernefarian]

5 hours ago, chckovsky said:

Semi-accurate. m.2 does nothing for speed compared to regular SATA. You need an NVMe drive for that. They are (usually) a lot more expensive and not really worth it for most gaming workloads.

The benchmark stories I am seeing are telling a different story. From overall average benches it seems to go SSD < M.2 </= NVMe. Lowest to highest performance.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, chckovsky said:

Also, you may need a different PSU if you're going for Meshify C.

 

 

Seasonic Focus Plus would be an amazing choice in this case.

He can always go with the RMx (2018) version as it has a smaller footprint of 160mm.

 

 

[chckovsky]

9 hours ago, Sernefarian said:

The benchmark stories I am seeing are telling a different story. From overall average benches it seems to go SSD < M.2 </= NVMe. Lowest to highest performance.

But non-nvme M.2 SSDs have SATA3 6Gbps ports with a different connector. It's not what makes the difference. Maybe it has to do with a more advanced user base, giving higher score? Do you have specific data to back up this claim?

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Sernefarian said:

The benchmark stories I am seeing are telling a different story. From overall average benches it seems to go SSD < M.2 </= NVMe. Lowest to highest performance.

M.2 is just a form factor. It has nothing to do with the speed. 

[Sernefarian]

3 hours ago, lee32uk said:

M.2 is just a form factor. It has nothing to do with the speed. 

M.2 is more than a form factor. M.2 2280 communicates over the motherboards PCIe lanes. Those PCIe lanes make available more bandwidth than a SATA 3.0 connector cord would. This increases both potential performance, and with nearly all M.2 models actual performance. With the majority of M.2 modules designed sufficient such that aside from considering the worst performers in the M.2 space they near to without exception outperform the 2.5 SATA 3.0 solutions.

 

Quoted from the wiki: "Computer bus interfaces provided through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0 (up to four lanes), Serial ATA 3.0, and USB 3.0 (a single logical port for each of the latter two). It"

 

The Wikipage

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Sernefarian said:

M.2 is more than a form factor. M.2 2280 communicates over the motherboards PCIe lanes. Those PCIe lanes make available more bandwidth than a SATA 3.0 connector cord would. This increases both potential performance, and with nearly all M.2 models actual performance. With the majority of M.2 modules designed sufficient such that aside from considering the worst performers in the M.2 space they near to without exception outperform the 2.5 SATA 3.0 solutions.

 

Quoted from the wiki: "Computer bus interfaces provided through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0 (up to four lanes), Serial ATA 3.0, and USB 3.0 (a single logical port for each of the latter two). It"

 

The Wikipage

I think you are getting your wires crossed.

 

The two SSD's below are the same make/model but in two formats. One is the standard 2.5" SATA and the other is M.2 SATA. They perform exactly the same.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£169.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£65.99 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £234.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-16 16:49 BST+0100

 

An NVMe M.2 SSD is faster as it uses the pcie lanes. 

[Sernefarian]

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

I think you are getting your wires crossed.

 

The two SSD's below are the same make/model but in two formats. One is the standard 2.5" SATA and the other is M.2 SATA. They perform exactly the same.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£169.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£65.99 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £234.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-16 16:49 BST+0100

 

An NVMe M.2 SSD is faster as it uses the pcie lanes. 

Anandtech images, there are more.... first is the 2.5" second is the m.2

 

 

 

Anyways.... not going to lie in some areas the two do trade blows back and forth however according to the benches across multiple vendors and competing 2.5" and M.2 solutions in each product line the M.2 ones win over the 2.5" more often than they lose.

 

[Sernefarian]

As an addendum to that: differing vendors, but fairly comparable price points. on a 2.5" sata and a M.2 2280 drive.

 

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/221057/Force-MP500

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Adata-XPG-SX930-120GB/Rating/3635#Prices

 

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Force-MP500-120GB-NVMe/dp/B01MQU72O9?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAI3VLI6HITR26KCBQ&tag=userbenchmark-20&linkCode=sp1&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01MQU72O9

https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-Extrem-Performance-Gaming-ASX930SS3-120GM-C/dp/B012ASDG8C?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAI3VLI6HITR26KCBQ&tag=userbenchmark-20&linkCode=sp1&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B012ASDG8C

[Guest]

 

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