Emergency Build plan

[TArthur99]

welp, my old Z75 pro 3 MOBO has finally bit the dust, VRM seems to be the cause. so now I have to raise the money for a build as quick as possible, I do 3D modelling and animation so every day without a computer is a lot of wasted work time.

 

I will save a few parts from my current build that I know are fine:

power supply, corsair RM650i (no reason to suspect its the problem so it should be fine)

CPU cooler, Noctua NH-D15

Ram, 16GB DDR3 @ 1600 Mhz (could do with an upgrade if I can afford it)

 

Build Plan:

I am thinking of going AMD, the ryzen lineup while not the best in all cases is definitely the best value.

here is my park picker list:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/TArthur99/saved/qH48YJ

what do you guys think? want to keep the budget at around $550 for the new MOBO, CPU, and graphics card

 

 

[knightslugger]

well you're not going Ryzen without DDR4...

[TArthur99]

1 minute ago, knightslugger said:

well you're not going Ryzen without DDR4...

Is it incompatible? I didn't even think to check that

[TArthur99]

@knightslugger aw shit, it is incompatible. Well, guess I will sell my current ram and get 16GB of DDR4

[GDRRiley]

yep your going to half to.

[TheGlenlivet]

What GPU did you use with the old system?  RAM is going to put you over budget...

[TArthur99]

3 minutes ago, TheGlenlivet said:

What GPU did you use with the old system?  RAM is going to put you over budget...

It's a radeon RX560 4GB, really not enough for what I do. I will just have to go over budget, but I can sell my current ram for $100 CAD so that will help

[TheGlenlivet]

2 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

It's a radeon RX560 4GB, really not enough for what I do. I will just have to go over budget, but I can sell my current ram for $100 CAD so that will help

Try and sell it and the DDR3 and you might break even.  Tough Luck...

[G27Racer_188]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($100.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($196.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card  ($248.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Total: $726.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 13:05 EDT-0400

 

This is quiet a bit over the $550 budget, but if you sell the ram for 100 and GPU for 70, and add it on top it should be just about enough to cover this build.

[bowrilla]

36 minutes ago, G27Racer_188 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($100.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($196.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card  ($248.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Total: $726.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 13:05 EDT-0400

 

This is quiet a bit over the $550 budget, but if you sell the ram for 100 and GPU for 70, and add it on top it should be just about enough to cover this build.

In what way is a 1050Ti better than a RX580? A 1060 would be a match so no need to swap it if a stronger GPU isn't in budget.

[G27Racer_188]

3 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

In what way is a 1050Ti better than a RX580? A 1060 would be a match so no need to swap it if a stronger GPU isn't in budget.

46 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

It's a radeon RX560 4GB,

He has a RX 560, not a RX 580. 1050TI is a bit more powerful than a 560.

 

 

[bowrilla]

2 minutes ago, G27Racer_188 said:

He has a RX 560, not a RX 580. 1050TI is a bit more powerful than a 560.

 

 

Woops, my bad. With increasing age eyesight worsens ... I guess smartphones for seniors will be a thing in a few years. Maybe I steal one from my dad...

[Sernefarian]

1 hour ago, G27Racer_188 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($100.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($196.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card  ($248.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Total: $726.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 13:05 EDT-0400

 

This is quiet a bit over the $550 budget, but if you sell the ram for 100 and GPU for 70, and add it on top it should be just about enough to cover this build.

Go with this, but keep the RX560 at least for now, and begin saving for a 1060 6GB or an RX580. Doing so will net you a graphics card that will last longer for you as the 1050ti is not a huge improvement over your current card

[G27Racer_188]

6 minutes ago, Sernefarian said:

Go with this, but keep the RX560 at least for now, and begin saving for a 1060 6GB or an RX580. Doing so will net you a graphics card that will last longer for you as the 1050ti is not a huge improvement over your current card

I would actually agree about holding out on the GPU, as 580 or 1060 would be decent upgrades, even over the 1050Ti. Or maybe even going with like a 980TI used. Although depending on the software OP uses, if they are CUDA accelerated, and how much he relies on the PC, maybe it isn't too bad idea to go with the green.

[TArthur99]

4 minutes ago, G27Racer_188 said:

I would actually agree about holding out on the GPU, as 580 or 1060 would be decent upgrades, even over the 1050Ti. Or maybe even going with like a 980TI used. Although depending on the software OP uses, if they are CUDA accelerated, and how much he relies on the PC, maybe it isn't too bad idea to go with the green.

mmm, ya I could go without a upgraded GPU for now and keep using the RX560 depending on how much i can raise, I may be able to up my budget (that would be best case). I use Maya primarily so the better the GPU then the larger and more complex the object can be in the scene, mostly limited by GPU memory, rendering uses CPU and memory entirely, so perhaps I will stick with the RX560 and see if I cant get a 6 or even a 8 core ryzen. this computer needs to last until I can build my monolithic overkill 16 core ryzen, duel vaga 64 render machine.

[Sernefarian]

2 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

mmm, ya I could go without a upgraded GPU for now and keep using the RX560 depending on how much i can raise, I may be able to up my budget (that would be best case). I use Maya primarily so the better the GPU then the larger and more complex the object can be in the scene, mostly limited by GPU memory, rendering uses CPU and memory entirely, so perhaps I will stick with the RX560 and see if I cant get a 6 or even a 8 core ryzen. this computer needs to last until I can build my monolithic overkill 16 core ryzen, duel vaga 64 render machine.

The switch to a 1500X should decrease your render times all on it's own even before you upgrade your GPU.

 

Since you stated that GPU VRAM is a highly valued commodity definitely go with the RX 580 8GB over the 1060 6GB once it is time to upgrade that. They have approximately the same quantity of frame production power, but the RX 580 has a significant amount more VRAM to load them into at approximately the same pricepoint.

 

Time for a gripe about BOTH Nvidia and AMD at this point: Quit doing variants of the same GPU product where the only major difference is VRAM while mainting the same product name. Just... just... make more freaking product names. AMD: Right now with the 500 Series you don't even need to use anything but numbers with the current quantity of 500 card variants. You can freaking fill 500-590 at increments of 10 and fit your whole freaking product line core count and ram quantites both included.

[TArthur99]

3 minutes ago, Sernefarian said:

The switch to a 1500X should decrease your render times all on it's own even before you upgrade your GPU.

 

Since you stated that GPU VRAM is a highly valued commodity definitely go with the RX 580 8GB over the 1060 6GB once it is time to upgrade that. They have approximately the same quantity of frame production power, but the RX 580 has a significant amount more VRAM to load them into at approximately the same pricepoint.

 

Time for a gripe about BOTH Nvidia and AMD at this point: Quit doing variants of the same GPU product where the only major difference is VRAM while mainting the same product name. Just... just... make more freaking product names. AMD: Right now with the 500 Series you don't even need to use anything but numbers with the current quantity of 500 card variants. You can freaking fill 500-590 at increments of 10 and fit your whole freaking product line core count and ram quantites both included.

lol, im totally with you on the naming thing it gets so confusing when you looking for stuff

here is the finalized part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/TArthur99/saved/qH48YJ

thanks for the help guys

[Sernefarian]

 

10 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

lol, im totally with you on the naming thing it gets so confusing when you looking for stuff

here is the finalized part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/TArthur99/saved/qH48YJ

thanks for the help guys

Loving the look of it. I wish you luck in the DIMM lottery. Very upsetting when you get a RAM kit that just doesn't do what the manufacturer stated, and RMAing until you get a kit that does is just so time intensive.

[seon123]

19 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

lol, im totally with you on the naming thing it gets so confusing when you looking for stuff

here is the finalized part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/TArthur99/saved/qH48YJ

thanks for the help guys

Don't get the 1500X. Either step up to the 1600/2600, which have 2 more cores, or get the 1400/2400G, which are mostly the same. 

Don't get the Gigabyte AM4 4-phase motherboards. They're the second worst, and absolute crap. Absolutely do not use them if you intend on ever getting a CPU with more than 4 cores. And don't plan on overclocking a 4-core either. The Prime Plus or Pro4 are the least crap budget options. 

There are cheaper 3000MHz RAM kits available. Don't spend extra just for a brand. 

Edited July 11, 2018 by seon123
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[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

Don't get the 1500X. Either step up to the 1600/2600, which have 2 more cores, or get the 1400/2400G, which are mostly the same. 

Don't get the Gigabyte AM4 4-phase motherboards. They're the second worst, and absolute crap. Absolutely do not use them if you intend on ever getting a CPU with more than 4 cores. And don't plan on overclocking a 4-core either. The Prime Plus or Pro4 are the least crap budget options. 

There are cheaper 3000MHz RAM kits available. Don't spend extra just for a brand. 

1500X is $15 cheaper than 1400/

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

1500X is $15 cheaper than 1400/

Huh, that's weird. I guess noone bought the 1500X, so now they're just dumping it?

[TArthur99]

7 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Don't get the 1500X. Either step up to the 1600/2600, which have 2 more cores, or get the 1400/2400G, which are mostly the same. 

Don't get the Gigabyte AM4 4-phase motherboards. They're the second worst, and absolute crap. Absolutely do not use them if you intend on ever getting a CPU with more than 4 cores. And don't plan on overclocking a 4-core either. The Prime Plus or Pro4 are the least crap budget options. 

There are cheaper 3000MHz RAM kits available. Don't spend extra just for a brand. 

It will all depend on what I can raise, if I get enough quickly then I will go all out with a much nicer Asus MOBO and an RX580.

Mind linking to the cheaper ram? I couldn't find any that was more than $10 cheaper and they were sketch 

[G27Racer_188]

6 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

It will all depend on what I can raise, if I get enough quickly then I will go all out with a much nicer Asus MOBO and an RX580.

Mind linking to the cheaper ram? I couldn't find any that was more than $10 cheaper and they were sketch 

Something like this

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($110.00 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($196.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $486.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 15:47 EDT-0400

 

 

I agree with @seon123 that 1600 with its six cores would be better, but unfortunately it is $60 more expensive. How long do you think you'll need to use this machine until you get the 16 core beast. If possible, you could get by with just 1500X and 560, and save more money.

[TArthur99]

32 minutes ago, G27Racer_188 said:

Something like this

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($110.00 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($196.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $486.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 15:47 EDT-0400

 

 

I agree with @seon123 that 1600 with its six cores would be better, but unfortunately it is $60 more expensive. How long do you think you'll need to use this machine until you get the 16 core beast. If possible, you could get by with just 1500X and 560, and save more money.

Indeed, a 1600x would be ideal, I will have to see, I've got a paycheck coming and a few things to sell, I may as well do this properly because I will need it for a year and a half at least 

[G27Racer_188]

17 minutes ago, TArthur99 said:

Indeed, a 1600x would be ideal, I will have to see, I've got a paycheck coming and a few things to sell, I may as well do this properly because I will need it for a year and a half at least 

In that case, if you can stretch that far, 1600 will serve you fine, and should pay itself off in the 1.5 years.

 

You could just go with 1600 non X, as X is just a bit higher clocked (which can be easily fix with an overclock), and doesn't come with a CPU cooler, which may be a problem if your D15 is older and didn't come with AM4 mounting. That mounting can be obtain from Noctua, or purchased separately.