UPS Compatibility

[ImBumi]

Heyo,

 

I'm looking to buy a UPS to pair with my system and I don't how what to look for in a UPS to make it the a good compatible for my system. I keep seeing titles/descriptions like "325 Watts/650 VA UPS". Here is a list of my components for reference: PC Part Picker

 

I only need the UPS to run for a couple of minutes, enough to do a proper shutdown and avoid damages on micro brownouts.

[W-L]

3 minutes ago, imshadowfox said:

Heyo,

 

I'm looking to buy a UPS to pair with my system and I don't how what to look for in a UPS to make it the a good compatible for my system. I keep seeing titles/descriptions like "325 Watts/650 VA UPS". Here is a list of my components for reference: PC Part Picker

 

I only need the UPS to run for a couple of minutes, enough to do a proper shutdown and avoid damages on micro brownouts.

Something like this would be more than enough to run the system including your networking and peripherals. 

https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/ups/cp1000pfclcd/

http://www.apc.com/shop/ca/en/products/Back-UPS-PRO-BR-1000VA-SineWave-10-Outlets-2-USB-Charging-Ports-AVR-LCD-interface/P-BR1000MS

[Windows7ge]

APC is a well known brand for their UPS's. I'm currently running this one on both my desktop & server but you don't have to use one that big.

 

On that page they offer the BR700G with a max wattage of 420W should be enough to keep your system going for 5~10 minutes provided you're not in a game.

 

It comes with a cable that you can plug into your computer which will give you information as to the battery's charge state. It should also let you set it up to automatically power off your computer if you're not in the room.

[ImBumi]

Thanks for the responses!

 

At the moment, I'm deeply considering going with an APC UPS. The one I quoted above is an APC unit. Right now, the prices of those units that you suggested are a bit on the expensive side (after mark ups) in our country. And I completely understand that you don't ever want to go cheap out on a UPS since this is protecting my components. Is there a good balance between price-to-uptime that you can suggest? Like how many watts of battery should I be looking at for my current rig to stay up, enough to do a proper shutdown.

 

P.S. I forgot to mention that I'm using dual monitors on my setup and applying a modest overclock on both CPU and GPU.

[W-L]

3 minutes ago, imshadowfox said:

Thanks for the responses!

 

At the moment, I'm deeply considering going with an APC UPS. The one I quoted above is an APC unit. Right now, the prices of those units that you suggested are a bit on the expensive side (after mark ups) in our country. And I completely understand that you don't ever want to go cheap out on a UPS since this is protecting my components. Is there a good balance between that you can suggest? Like how many watts of battery should I be looking at for my current rig. 

 

P.S. I forgot to mention that I'm using dual monitors on my setup.

The system will draw a max of 400W a fair bit under that, with networking and peripherals added in Iwould recommend at the very least 500W.

 

Something like this would be a more value option but is is a stepped approved sinewave and not a pure sinewave unit.

http://www.apc.com/shop/ca/en/products/APC-Back-UPS-900VA-Retail-Canada-120V/P-BN900M-CA

[EsaT]

On 6/20/2018 at 10:38 PM, imshadowfox said:

I keep seeing titles/descriptions like "325 Watts/650 VA UPS".

Rule number 1:

Forget/skip that VA rating.

That's basically marketing BS rating, and no decent UPS should have it that bloated.

Like that 0.5 power factor basically meaning that UPS is marketing garbage, or from dark middle ages.

Volt-amperes mattered only when devices lacked power factor correction and had high reactive current/power component.

 

You need to have that watt rating higher than what your PC+monitor can draw.

And if that 650 were watts instead of volt-amperes then that UPS would be enough to succesfully transfer to battery operation under heaviest gaming load.

Instead of likely shutting down instantly.

 

For comparison my UPS has 0.7 power factor with 1100W/1550VA rating. (Eaton 5P1550i)

 

5 hours ago, imshadowfox said:

Right now, the prices of those units that you suggested are a bit on the expensive side (after mark ups) in our country.

 

P.S. I forgot to mention that I'm using dual monitors on my setup and applying a modest overclock on both CPU and GPU.

With that super expensive graphics card in there you shouldn't have any problems in affording at least decent UPS instead of some digged its way under the limbo bar model.

 

And with two monitors and overclocking of hungry at default card would consider 550-600W as minimum.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-oc,5225-4.html

 

 

 

[ImBumi]

6 hours ago, W-L said:

The system will draw a max of 400W a fair bit under that, with networking and peripherals added in Iwould recommend at the very least 500W.

 

Something like this would be a more value option but is is a stepped approved sinewave and not a pure sinewave unit.

http://www.apc.com/shop/ca/en/products/APC-Back-UPS-900VA-Retail-Canada-120V/P-BN900M-CA

Thanks for the insight! I'll definitely check this out and see if this is available in my area.

 

42 minutes ago, EsaT said:

With that super expensive graphics card in there you shouldn't have any problems in affording at least decent UPS instead of some digged its way under the limbo bar model.

I agree that my GPU is indeed on the expensive side but I was able to buy it pre-mining craze and took all of my savings to get it. 

 

From what I'm getting, I should be looking somewhere around the 500 - 600W range then. Thanks everyone for the help!

[EsaT]

9 hours ago, imshadowfox said:

Thanks for the insight! I'll definitely check this out and see if this is available in my area.

That particular one is only 480W rated with lousy 0.53 PF.

So very seriously questionable if it could handle blackout during gaming.

Any power factor below 0.6 should be considered as BS and looks like APC is going for dishonest marketing (aka fraud) by hiding actual output power from product page.

 

Where do you live?

[ImBumi]

On 6/22/2018 at 4:04 PM, EsaT said:

That particular one is only 480W rated with lousy 0.53 PF.

So very seriously questionable if it could handle blackout during gaming.

Any power factor below 0.6 should be considered as BS and looks like APC is going for dishonest marketing (aka fraud) by hiding actual output power from product page.

 

Where do you live?

I live in the Philippines. That's why it's a bit hard finding a good and not overpriced UPS.

[W-L]

On 6/22/2018 at 4:04 AM, EsaT said:

That particular one is only 480W rated with lousy 0.53 PF.

So very seriously questionable if it could handle blackout during gaming.

Any power factor below 0.6 should be considered as BS and looks like APC is going for dishonest marketing (aka fraud) by hiding actual output power from product page.

 

Where do you live?

7 minutes ago, imshadowfox said:

I live in the Philippines. That's why it's a bit hard finding a good and not overpriced UPS.

Your confusing the VA on a UPS as it's based on it's output capability of the unit and not the actual unit itself. Not all electronics have a power factor of 1.0 meaning a large VA is necessary to power them. A good example is if you have a load that has a 0.5PF and a wattage of 400W, the VA would equate to 800VA, which would still be within the capability of the UPS to keep the components powered under a brownout or power failure. 

 

[EsaT]

11 hours ago, imshadowfox said:

I live in the Philippines. That's why it's a bit hard finding a good and not overpriced UPS.

CyberPower has agressive pricing at least in Europe so you might want to search for them.

They apparently also have models with local power sockets if you would like normal power cables to fit.

https://www.cyberpower.com/ph/en/product/category/Backup UPS Systems

 

APC also has some models

http://www.apc.com/shop/ph/en/categories/power/uninterruptible-power-supply-ups-/computer-and-peripheral/back-ups/N-1nzwthz

Eaton also has few, very low end models...

http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5L.aspx?cx=42

 

For standard IEC C13 sockets there's lot more selection.

 

Anyway what shops there have available?

 

 

As for power factor even medieval passive-PFC PSUs have better than 0.5 power factor.

And PSUs made for selling globally basically have active-PFC.

Which can be recognized by them having 100-240 VAC input voltage marking. (and no voltage selection switches)

Monitor again is low power device compared to PC, same for some powered USB hub etc which might be connected to UPS.

It would be rather hard to have overall bad power factor.

[ImBumi]

I'm sorry if I'm not catching up very well on the terms that you're using, I'll do my own research on what you guys are saying when I have free time.

 

I'm looking to buy from www.lazada.com.ph (which is our own version of amazon). 

[ImBumi]

Is this going to be enough?

https://www.lazada.com.ph/products/apc-bx1100li-ms-550-watts1100-va-black-i190887570-s241305198.html?spm=a2o4l.seller.list.3.30642110YPW6Oh&mp=1

[W-L]

1 hour ago, imshadowfox said:

Is this going to be enough?

https://www.lazada.com.ph/products/apc-bx1100li-ms-550-watts1100-va-black-i190887570-s241305198.html?spm=a2o4l.seller.list.3.30642110YPW6Oh&mp=1

Yes that will be enough just for the system, assuming you are overclocking it will be cutting it very close with peripherals and networking gear. 

[ImBumi]

12 hours ago, W-L said:

Yes that will be enough just for the system, assuming you are overclocking it will be cutting it very close with peripherals and networking gear. 

I'm checking with newegg for other options, how about these?
https://www.newegg.com/global/ph/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX2C28744&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/global/ph/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX2C28873&ignorebbr=1

[W-L]

2 hours ago, imshadowfox said:

I'm checking with newegg for other options, how about these?
https://www.newegg.com/global/ph/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX2C28744&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/global/ph/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX2C28873&ignorebbr=1

I’d recommend the PFC units over those if your looking at the Cyberpower units.

 

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX2C28658&cm_re=CUBERPOWer_pfc-_-9SIA0ZX2C28658-_-Product

[ImBumi]

Cool! Thanks a lot for the detailed help! I'll get one very soon.