need memory recommendations for ryzen

[Therios]

hi as the title said i need help choosing ram for my 2700x build
i was about to get the g.skill trident z rgb 3200mhz c16 
but i found that some peole said most 3200mhz ram wont run at 3200 on ryzen boards
my board is asus strix x470-f will it run at 3200mhz and if not what else should i look for ?
 

[stealth80]

Look for Samsung b die, if it’s for gaming go cas 14 3200 or even cas 16 3600. 2700x is much better than 1st with regards to memory support, even then my 1700 runs my 3200 fine 

[Princess Luna]

6 minutes ago, Therios said:

asus strix x470-f

 

6 minutes ago, Therios said:

g.skill trident z rgb 3200mhz c16 

Two high end components that will work perfectly fine together, one of the biggest gains with Ryzen+ was improvements on the IMC, you'll be fine pairing those together and more than likely run on the advertised frequency/timings.

[Docretier]

It should run it at that speed, but it can always be run at 3000mhz anyway. There isn’t that much a difference between the speeds, so if it can run at that speed you can do that, but if it can’t it isn’t the end of the world. What kind of ram do you want, performance or just any ram?

[Docretier]

Just now, Docretier said:

It should run it at that speed, but it can always be run at 3000mhz anyway. There isn’t that much a difference between the speeds, so if it can run at that speed you can do that, but if it can’t it isn’t the end of the world. What kind of ram do you want, performance or just any ram?

I’m dumb, obviously it’s performance if it has a 2700x in it. Trident z will work fine.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Docretier said:

I’m dumb, obviously it’s performance if it has a 2700x in it. Trident z will work fine.

Yeah haha infinity fabric sucks compared to ring bus, gotta extract all that mhz on memory to make up for it

[Therios]

4 minutes ago, Docretier said:

It should run it at that speed, but it can always be run at 3000mhz anyway. There isn’t that much a difference between the speeds, so if it can run at that speed you can do that, but if it can’t it isn’t the end of the world. What kind of ram do you want, performance or just any ram?

i will be just gaming so i care about fps 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Therios said:

i will be just gaming so i care about fps 

If gaming is your priority why not the coffee lake?

[Therios]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

If gaming is your priority why not the coffee lake?

in my opinion i see games starting to use dx12 more so more cores will be helpful + i will do a lil editing and streaming
also the motherboard is supported until 2020 witch will most likely be my next upgrade time 
and the stock cooler is great 

[Princess Luna]

11 minutes ago, Therios said:

in my opinion i see games starting to use dx12 more so more cores will be helpful + i will do a lil editing and streaming
also the motherboard is supported until 2020 witch will most likely be my next upgrade time 
and the stock cooler is great 

DX12 hardly has increased multi-threading in games, in fact we're only starting to move from 4c optimization to 6c now after like 10 years... so truth be told it'll still take a lot of years for a 8 cores CPU to make sense in gaming specifically... and it's not like the i7 8700K can't edit and stream.

 

motherboard supported until 2020? that is the biggest joke to be honest... @App4that and I have been trying to kill this myth as there's no such thing as "better future upgrade", for one your main goal is gaming and the i7 8700K still is a lot ahead of the ryzen 7 2700X so simply do the basic math:

 

Buy 2700X today thinking in the upcoming chip here in 2 years so you have to buy again to finally get close to the gaming performance you could have had with the i7 8700/ 8700K all along and since you already have the performance you don't need to upgrade in 2020 just yet you can upgrade only by Intel's last 10nm revision when people will be replacing their AMD motherboard either ways just the same... to still have inferior gaming performance.

 

Yeah I do have to agree on the last one AMD does much superior stock coolers but that's a silly reason to favour a chip when you're shopping for high end components, my 212X is perfectly capable of taming my i7 8700 and the i7 8700K doesn't require all that much to tame either.

 

Point I am trying to get here is that costs for costs it ends up being the same with either AMD or Intel, but with Intel you'll have superior performance all along in what you want to do.

[Therios]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

DX12 hardly has increased multi-threading in games, in fact we're only starting to move from 4c optimization to 6c now after like 10 years... so truth be told it'll still take a lot of years for a 8 cores CPU to make sense in gaming specifically... and it's not like the i7 8700K can't edit and stream.

 

motherboard supported until 2020? that is the biggest joke to be honest... @App4that and I have been trying to kill this myth as there's no such thing as "better future upgrade", for one your main goal is gaming and t he i7 8700K still is a lot ahead of the ryzen 7 2700X so simply do the basic math:

 

Buy 2700X today thinking in the upcoming chip here in 2 years so you have to buy again to finally get close to the gaming performance you could have had with the i7 8700/ 8700K all along and since you already have the performance you don't need to upgrade in 2020 already you can upgrade by Intel's last 10nm revision when people will be replacing their AMD motherboard either ways just the same... to still have inferior gaming performance.

 

Yeah I do have to agree on the last one AMD does much superior stock coolers but that's a silly reason to favour a chip when you're shopping for high end components, my 212X is perfectly capable of taming my i7 8700 and the i7 8700K doesn't require all that much to tame either.

 

Point I am trying to get here is that costs for costs it ends up being the same with either AMD or Intel, but with Intel you'll have superior performance all along in what you want to do.

i used alot of intel PCs and i want to try amd this time 
i know that intel have the edge in gaming but amd feels like more value 8 core and 16 threads are nice 
im also willing to learn video edit and graphic designing so the 16threads will come in handy 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Therios said:

 

Sure it's not a bad CPU, I was just giving food for though [:

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

Which is cooler: Only seeing 12 threads in task manager, or 16? That's what i thought.

[Therios]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Sure it's not a bad CPU, I was just giving food for though [:

and in my budget if i go with intel i will get the 8700k and then i will have to get a cooler 
im traveling and i will have to take the aio with me in the bag witch i cant do 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Some Random Member said:

Which is cooler: Only seeing 12 threads in task manager, or 16? That's what i thought.

Oh I have no issues with "just" 12 threads in mine, the best part is under it on that sweet 4.4ghz locked rather than sub-4ghz frequency

[Therios]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Oh I have no issues with "just" 12 threads in mine, the best part is under it on that sweet 4.4ghz locked rather than sub-4ghz frequency

amd being around made intel look greedy 
when you get more cores but lower clocks and its unlocked + a good cooler instead if that metal thing

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Oh I have no issues with "just" 12 threads in mine, the best part is under it on that sweet 4.4ghz locked rather than sub-4ghz frequency

 

 

[Therios]

1 minute ago, Some Random Member said:

are you using an aio ? and can i reach that with the 2700x stock cooler ?

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, Therios said:

are you using an aio ? and can i reach that with the 2700x stock cooler ?

No, I was using photoshop.   But the 2700x should be able to reach 4.2Ghz easily.

[stealth80]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

DX12 hardly has increased multi-threading in games, in fact we're only starting to move from 4c optimization to 6c now after like 10 years... so truth be told it'll still take a lot of years for a 8 cores CPU to make sense in gaming specifically... and it's not like the i7 8700K can't edit and stream.

 

motherboard supported until 2020? that is the biggest joke to be honest... @App4that and I have been trying to kill this myth as there's no such thing as "better future upgrade", for one your main goal is gaming and the i7 8700K still is a lot ahead of the ryzen 7 2700X so simply do the basic math:

 

Buy 2700X today thinking in the upcoming chip here in 2 years so you have to buy again to finally get close to the gaming performance you could have had with the i7 8700/ 8700K all along and since you already have the performance you don't need to upgrade in 2020 just yet you can upgrade only by Intel's last 10nm revision when people will be replacing their AMD motherboard either ways just the same... to still have inferior gaming performance.

 

Yeah I do have to agree on the last one AMD does much superior stock coolers but that's a silly reason to favour a chip when you're shopping for high end components, my 212X is perfectly capable of taming my i7 8700 and the i7 8700K doesn't require all that much to tame either.

 

Point I am trying to get here is that costs for costs it ends up being the same with either AMD or Intel, but with Intel you'll have superior performance all along in what you want to do.

Keep in mind though that until last year 8 core CPUs were only available on the high end platforms (FX aside ...) so the pick up now will probably be quicker than say 4 thread to 8 thread was, I'm not saying that by next year 8 core will be the recommended in every game, just saying that I expect to trend to pick up much quicker, the majority of gaming threads now are all recommending 1600/2600, 1700/2700 or 8600/8700K depending on use/budget

[Therios]

26 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Keep in mind though that until last year 8 core CPUs were only available on the high end platforms (FX aside ...) so the pick up now will probably be quicker than say 4 thread to 8 thread was, I'm not saying that by next year 8 core will be the recommended in every game, just saying that I expect to trend to pick up much quicker, the majority of gaming threads now are all recommending 1600/2600, 1700/2700 or 8600/8700K depending on use/budget

if you dont mind but this question is out of the topic 
how does your gaming 5 board perform ? i was thinking to getthe x470 one but too much hate for it's vrm 
so i will get the asus strix one whats your opinion ? 

[stealth80]

3 minutes ago, Therios said:

if you dont mind but this question is out of the topic 
how does your gaming 5 board perform ? i was thinking to getthe x470 one but too much hate for it's vrm 
so i will get the asus strix one whats your opinion ? 

I bought my Gaming 5 based on it having good VRM's (although the cooling wasn't - sorted with an EK monoblock) so generally its been a good board. I sit 4.0 ghz, 3200mhz (non Samsung) at 1.37v (big custom loop) and never see over 60C on the CPU. I think it's a good board, I just wish it was white

 

 

 

From what I have read the Asus Crosshair and Taichi are the best Ryzen boards, although the new high end MSI got some good clocks (Gaming M7 AC) 

[Therios]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

I bought my Gaming 5 based on it having good VRM's (although the cooling wasn't - sorted with an EK monoblock) so generally its been a good board. I sit 4.0 ghz, 3200mhz (non Samsung) at 1.37v (big custom loop) and never see over 60C on the CPU. I think it's a good board, I just wish it was white

 

 

 

From what I have read the Asus Crosshair and Taichi are the best Ryzen boards, although the new high end MSI got some good clocks (Gaming M7 AC) 

what do you think about the strix .. is it going to be worth it ? 
because i live in a hot place so the cooler it is the better and im planning to keep it when i upgrade to zen 2 as they are supposed to reach 5ghz .. so is it a future proof thing or just waste ?

[stealth80]

Just now, Therios said:

what do you think about the strix .. is it going to be worth it ? 
because i live in a hot place so the cooler it is the better and im planning to keep it when i upgrade to zen 2 as they are supposed to reach 5ghz .. so is it a future proof thing or just waste ?

You cant ever future proof with PC's, its a false concept, don't even try to. You can eliminate the need to upgrade as regularly by going high end, but you can't future proof. The problem coming up next near (or so i've read) is the release of DDR 5. If i was you I would go big now and then look to upgrade after Zen 2 and I'm for DDR5 (that's what i'm doing anyway) As for cooling, theres only so much you can do - i have no personal experience with the new boards. but as I said, the Taichi and the Crosshairs seem to the better options, I cant see the Strix being any worse - just keep in mind - no monoblocks were made for the X370 strix (at least by EK anyway) so if you do decide to go water and wanna do the VRM's (i cant predict the future) it may not be an option as the only blocks that were done for X370 were Crosshair 6, GB Gaming 5 and the MSI titanium. This may change for X470 - just keep it in mind though 

[Therios]

17 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

You cant ever future proof with PC's, its a false concept, don't even try to. You can eliminate the need to upgrade as regularly by going high end, but you can't future proof. The problem coming up next near (or so i've read) is the release of DDR 5. If i was you I would go big now and then look to upgrade after Zen 2 and I'm for DDR5 (that's what i'm doing anyway) As for cooling, theres only so much you can do - i have no personal experience with the new boards. but as I said, the Taichi and the Crosshairs seem to the better options, I cant see the Strix being any worse - just keep in mind - no monoblocks were made for the X370 strix (at least by EK anyway) so if you do decide to go water and wanna do the VRM's (i cant predict the future) it may not be an option as the only blocks that were done for X370 were Crosshair 6, GB Gaming 5 and the MSI titanium. This may change for X470 - just keep it in mind though 

i will be using the stock cooler as i dont overclock 
you got me wrong by overclocking i mean this board should last untill zen2 and it should support it 
so  good vrm will help if the cpu is 5ghz so will the extra 30$ over the gaming 5 be worth it ?