First PC Build

[Cryptronix]

1. Budget & Location

Germany

max. 2000€

 

2. Aim

mechanical engineering student -> cad/ 3d work; excel; text editing; programming 

a little bit of gaming (depends on how much free time I have)

maybe even photo editing and a little bit of video editing

 

3. Monitors

1920x1080 at 60 Hz

looking into wide monitors -> recommendations?

 

4. Peripherals

need new ones -> what about Logitech G413 and Logitech MX Master 2S?

do not need new headphones and speakers 

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

only have a laptop with i5 and Geforce GT 630M 1 GB

 

Thank you very much for your time and help

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/frX9NQ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/frX9NQ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor  ($319.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($74.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($160.68 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Mushkin - Source 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.15 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($106.49 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: LG - 25UM58 25.0" 2560x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($158.34 @ Newegg) 
Mouse: Logitech - G403 Prodigy Wireless Optical Mouse  ($75.60 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1963.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-07 09:33 EDT-0400

 

sorry for the wait and it not being in euro. 

 

im not that knowlaged about what you need for your certain tasks. you need to add a keboard yourself. ive chosen to insert the g403 prodigy mouse as im quite fond of mine. 

 

you can probably drop down the amount of ram if you want to or give it a better gpu in thrade for the ram. again im pretty certain this is not the best build for the price for your work but it should be quite decent at least. 

 

the monitor ive chosen is a 75 hz widescreen IPS display. it should be sufficient

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

 

I tried to create a threadripper 1950x build for him, as gaming was not important, but then i remebered that the ddr4 price has almost doubled.

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Some Random Member said:

I tried to create a threadripper 1950x build for him, as gaming was not important, but then i remebered that the ddr4 price has almost doubled.

Try editing my build and dropping the ram. Going to 2200$ should still be below 2000€. Might be able to do so. Dont have time to edit myself atm

[Guest]

Ok i made this kinda ok build, but there is no peripheals. You can make it cheaper by dropping half the ram (120 euros more), going for a 2tb drive(50 euro more), getting a cheaper case (30 euro more). If someone can make it better please do.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LHjYgw

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LHjYgw
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LHjYgw/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor  (€599.00 @ ARLT) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U14S TR4-SP3 140.2 CFM CPU Cooler  (€79.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X399 Taichi ATX TR4 Motherboard  (€323.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (€243.60 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€131.89 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 4TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€93.66 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8GB PULSE Video Card  (€323.74 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower Case  (€83.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€122.66 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €2002.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-07 15:53 CEST+0200

[DocSwag]

How important are each of the things you're doing? Cad and stuff likes single threaded performance which would point to an 8700k but the recent smelt down patches have absolutely destroyed 8700k compiling performance.

[Cryptronix]

Thank you guys so much for your quick help

 

until now i only considered an Intel Chip since i read that they would last longer and because i want to ceep this pc for as long as possible

 

since i am a low semester i am not yet certain whether single core performance or having as many as possible will be best. As you can probably tell i want to use the pc for pretty much everything whitch maked things even harder.

 

[brob]

28 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

How important are each of the things you're doing? Cad and stuff likes single threaded performance which would point to an 8700k but the recent smelt down patches have absolutely destroyed 8700k compiling performance.

Why would one bother applying the patches to a single development machine?

[GoldenLag]

17 minutes ago, Cryptronix said:

Thank you guys so much for your quick help

 

until now i only considered an Intel Chip since i read that they would last longer and because i want to ceep this pc for as long as possible

 

since i am a low semester i am not yet certain whether single core performance or having as many as possible will be best. As you can probably tell i want to use the pc for pretty much everything whitch maked things even harder.

 

If you want a pc for everything i would go for a 6-12 core cpu as that should balance the core-speed to core-ratio quite well.

 

Dunno where youve heard intel chips will last longer, but AM4 is sticking around for 2 more generations. Because of this Ryzen and its zen-iterations is expected to have a long support life, since the plattform as a whole must be supported. Intels seems to be keen on swapping socket quite often. For the future multi-threaded is becoming more and more common as time passes. 

 

Personally id grab a 2700x since it doesnt need overclocking and will therefor not die due to over-voltage over time (reasonable time-perspective). Not to mentiom its reasonable core performance and more cores per dollar. If you need an upgrade later om you could then grab a 4th gen ryzen without swapping motherboard or Ram.

[brob]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

... If you need an upgrade later om you could then grab a 4th gen ryzen without swapping motherboard or Ram.

As illustrated by the introduction of the X470 chipset, putting a new cpu into an old motherboard does not necessarily allow one to exploit the new cpu.

 

The AMD socket longevity argument is marketing spin.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, brob said:

As illustrated by the introduction of the X470 chipset, putting a new cpu into an old motherboard does not necessarily allow one to exploit the new cpu.

 

The socket longevity argument is marketing spin.

You probably wont be able to use the new features that the new motherboard offers, however you can do a cheaper upgrade by only buying a cpu, rather than cpu, mobo and maybe ram depending on whem ddr5 is introduced. 

 

Not upgrading you wouldnt have these new features anyway. Socket longevity is relevant in the sence the plattform as a whole would need to be supported. 

 

Having the option of a "cheap" cpu upgrade down the line without spending a fortune is a nice perk. However i can quite clearly see that it is a marketing spin as most users would swap out their cpu and mobo with a new gen (as i am such a person myself)

[Cryptronix]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

If you want a pc for everything i would go for a 6-12 core cpu as that should balance the core-speed to core-ratio quite well.

 

Dunno where youve heard intel chips will last longer, but AM4 is sticking around for 2 more generations. Because of this Ryzen and its zen-iterations is expected to have a long support life, since the plattform as a whole must be supported. Intels seems to be keen on swapping socket quite often. For the future multi-threaded is becoming more and more common as time passes. 

 

Personally id grab a 2700x since it doesnt need overclocking and will therefor not die due to over-voltage over time (reasonable time-perspective). Not to mentiom its reasonable core performance and more cores per dollar. If you need an upgrade later om you could then grab a 4th gen ryzen without swapping motherboard or Ram.

you seem to have a good point there. 12 cores seem overkill especially because single core performance suffers. I thought I was pretty set on the i7-8700K, but since overclocking does not yield as much bonus as I would want for the time it takes to set up and the impact it has on the chip. Because of that, the 2700x seems like a really good option.

 

However, I have a few more questions:

Are 32Gb of ram worth it and is the speed difference between 3200 and 2133 noticeable?

 

What would be the best solution for having the ability to connect via Wifi? 

[brob]

Overclocking the i7-8700K is not more difficult than doing so for the 2700X. Either cpu is a good choice.

 

The difference between DDR4-3200 and DDR4-2133 can be noticeable depending on timings and what is being run.

 

You might consider a lesser cpu that is more than sufficient for the workload described. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€224.90 @ Caseking) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€109.90 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€151.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€168.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€219.90 @ Caseking) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card  (€309.14 @ Alza) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C TG ATX Mid Tower Case  (€88.93 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€86.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit  (€113.05 @ Senetic) 
Monitor: Asus - MX27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor  (€349.30 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G413 Carbon Wired Gaming Keyboard  (€91.00) 
Mouse: Logitech - MX MASTER 2S (Black) Wireless Laser Mouse  (€80.00) 
Total: €1993.86
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-07 18:04 CEST+0200

 

[Cryptronix]

This is how far i got:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tgTJ8

[DocSwag]

2 hours ago, brob said:

Why would one bother applying the patches to a single development machine?

IDK. For some people security matters a lot. Maybe sensitive code? IDK

22 minutes ago, Cryptronix said:

This is how far i got:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tgTJ8

PSU is overkill, 650w would be enough. I would also swap the mobo for an x470 pro, since I'm not sure how good the VRMs are on the K4. Otherwise looks ok assuming you need multi threaded performance. If CAD is a priority I would recommend an 8700k though.

[GoldenLag]

3 hours ago, Cryptronix said:

However, I have a few more questions:

Are 32Gb of ram worth it and is the speed difference between 3200 and 2133 noticeable?

On Ryzen it is. 2933mhz or more is recommended. 3200mhz is quite common and is pretty much obligatory for ryzen due to bandwith needed. Idl if 32 GB is wprth it. You can probably only need 16GB. I put in 32 to try and get as good as a system possible for the price. I used the 1070ti as the price isnt as inflated as some GPUs out there. 

 

Sorry for being absent

[GoldenLag]

2 hours ago, Cryptronix said:

This is how far i got:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tgTJ8

Psu might be overkill, but it doesnt hurt it exactly. Looks very good. Just need a HDD for mass storage and you are good to go. 

[Cryptronix]

I want to thank all of you so much. Your advice is very helpful and much appreciated. Hope you have a good day!