4770k vs 4670k

[linus7]

i heard that games such bf4 are already  using 7 threads should i still get a 4670k or future proof  with a 4770k? 

[12860682321]

i heard that games such bf4 are already  using 7 threads should i still get a 4670k or future proof  with a 4770k?

Even Battlefield 4 doesn't really use more then 4 cores. You only want to buy the 4770k if your doing a lot of video rendering or mulit-threading capable program like bender. However if only gaming spend the extra buying a more powerful graphics card, which more and more game are using for their compute performance. 

[Glenwing]

Games can start to benefit from more cores, but hyperthreading still doesn't help.  It is about cores, not threads.

[deathjester]

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Battlefield_4_China_Rising_-test-bf_4_proz.jpg

 

With an OC on the I5 not much. Of course you can oc the I7 as well, but the thing is...

 

If you don't plan on buying the GPU power to hit those frames? The I7 is pointless for just gaming.

 

If you live near a microcenter the I7 is cheap, if not? Investing in more GPU power is the better option. 

 

This nonsense about the 8350 being way better for gaming then a I5 though is simply not true. When OC they are about the same in the new games and the I5 is much better in older MMO's like WoW, Guildwars 2. FPS games you are usually GPU limited. You could run the 8 thread 4770k at 2.5 ghz and not see a dip in performance more then like 1 fps.

 

The I5 may have to work a little harder on the new games, but it should perform very well in just games. Does it also stream well? No. 

[deathjester]

Games can start to benefit from more cores, but hyperthreading still doesn't help.  It is about cores, not threads.

 

The only way HT doesn't help in new games is if you haven't unparked cores on your I7 in Windows 7. When you do? HT is like 20 percent better then no HT. Not that you need that 20 percent more without a killer GPU/SLI, but HT DOES help.

 

Win 8.1 just disabled parking, which gives the placebo effect of it being "needed for BF4". 

 

http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility

 

No it does not hurt your chip. No it doesn't even use more voltage at low load states. All it does is make your I7 haul a@# in games like planetside 2 (they just optimized it) and BF4.

 

It uses slightly more battery life on a laptop. If you don't have a laptop? You shouldn't have cores parked.

[UnderADyingSun]

They're both fine. Don't get hung up and just grab a 4670k or an AMD cpu. The gaming differences are negligible trust me. 

[TechFan@ic]

The 4770K is 50% more expensive than the 4670k, hyper-threading adds 20% more performance in a best case scenario, games very rarely utilize hyper-threading and in fact some games such as Far Cry 3 are slower with hyper threading enabled.

[deathjester]

The 4770K is 50% more expensive than the 4670k, hyper-threading adds 20% more performance in a best case scenario, games very rarely utilize hyper-threading and in fact some games such as Far Cry 3 are slower with hyper threading enabled.

 

The 4770k is 249.99 at micro center with an additional 30 bucks off a motherboard combo. You can price match it at staples online.

 

I got my MB and 4770k there for 280  with tax COMBINED in the week before black friday. The 4770k was 199.99 alone. People matched that on Staples online as well through live chat.

 

"slower with hyperthreading" benchmarks. 1) Did they unpark cores on win 7 or was this 8.1? 2) Even with a faulty test to begin with what was it, 1 fps slower on parked cores? Anyone suggesting that other people take HT off in games is a moron. 

 

Win 8.1 fixed the problem. You can do it yourself on win 7.A I7 is never slower then an I5 unless you are doing it wrong. They also are usually binned higher and OC better on average. Yeah you can have bad luck and lose the silicon lottery, but you have bad luck on the I5 to.

 

The only thing holding me back from 4.7 on my board and chip that cost a laughable 280 bucks, is that I am using a 30 dollar air cooler. 4.5 is hardly bad though...

 

You can still buy my board and a 4770k for 310.00, which would cost you about the same as a 8350 and a decent board, that the I7 SLAUGHTERS.

 

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

 

My board doesn't do sli, it does cross fire. It overclocks just like any z87 does. Extremely well, since all that matters is the chip on Haswell. It will absolutely kill a I5 in everything not games, and will beat it in newer games to. 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlC81MjwelBgdEZNV3l6aHl1eUNwSUR4Rml0MXMzN1E&usp=sharing#gid=0

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/62476-post-your-cinebench-r15-scores/page-16#entry1201595

[deathjester]

Btw here is my floating point at 4.5ghz which matters in every game that is not 8 thread. Games like Wow, Guild Wars 2. Test is Aida FPU julia.  8350 representing floating point with 13,504. My 35,667 should be ok for non 8 thread games...I hope...

 

4x Core i7-4770K HT   4500 MHz   Unknown   Z87 Ext.   Dual DDR3-2133   10-12-10-31 CR1   35677     6x Core i7-3960X Extreme HT   3300 MHz   Intel DX79SI   X79   Quad DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   26898     4x Core i7-3770K HT   3500 MHz   MSI Z77A-GD55   Z77 Int.   Dual DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   19516     4x Core i7-2600 HT   3400 MHz   Asus P8P67   P67   Dual DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   18457     12x Opteron 2431   2400 MHz   Supermicro H8DI3+-F   SR5690   Unganged Dual DDR2-800R   6-6-6-18 CR1   18309     6x Core i7-990X Extreme HT   3466 MHz   Intel DX58SO2   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17993     8x Xeon X5550 HT   2666 MHz   Supermicro X8DTN+   i5520   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17671     8x Xeon E5462   2800 MHz   Intel S5400SF   i5400   Quad DDR2-640FB   5-5-5-15   15300     8x FX-8350   4000 MHz   Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0   AMD990X   Dual DDR3-1866   9-10-9-27 CR2   13504

[linus7]

The only way HT doesn't help in new games is if you haven't unparked cores on your I7 in Windows 7. When you do? HT is like 20 percent better then no HT. Not that you need that 20 percent more without a killer GPU/SLI, but HT DOES help.

 

Win 8.1 just disabled parking, which gives the placebo effect of it being "needed for BF4". 

 

http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility

 

No it does not hurt your chip. No it doesn't even use more voltage at low load states. All it does is make your I7 haul a@# in games like planetside 2 (they just optimized it) and BF4.

 

It uses slightly more battery life on a laptop. If you don't have a laptop? You shouldn't have cores parked.

will unparking cores improve a 4670k? or is it only for i7 (because of HT)

i can get a 4770k with a 780 but only with 8gb ram(is it ok?)

or a 290 tri-x from sapphire (prices have not gone up here) and some better components ( like 16gb ram instead of 8  and so on)

[MetroP]

will unparking cores improve a 4670k? or is it only for i7 (because of HT)

i can get a 4770k with a 780 but only with 8gb ram(is it ok?)

or a 290 tri-x from sapphire (prices have not gone up here) and some better components ( like 16gb ram instead of 8  and so on)

Go with an i5 4670K, 16GB of RAM and an R9 290.

What CPU cooler are you getting ?

[linus7]

Go with an i5 4670K, 16GB of RAM and an R9 290.

What CPU cooler are you getting ?

NH-D14

[MetroP]

NH-D14

That's an excellent cooler, just make sure to get low profile memory, otherwise it won't fit.

[linus7]

That's an excellent cooler, just make sure to get low profile memory, otherwise it won't fit.

thanks i was planing on getting ripjaws-x (8 or 16) 1600

but the thing is i want to edit a bit as well and i can fit the 290 and 4770k somehow 

will a 4670k will be good in editing and streaming? 

[MetroP]

thanks i was planing on getting ripjaws-x (8 or 16) 1600

but the thing is i want to edit a bit as well and i can fit the 290 and 4770k somehow 

will a 4670k will be good in editing and streaming? 

An FX 8350 is going to be much better than the 4670K in editing and streaming. It's as good as the 4770K in those tasks and it costs about the same as the 4670K so it will fit within your budget.

Get an AM3+ Gigabyte 990FX-UD3 board with it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514

[Immort]

[deathjester]

 

That's a cool movie. I really liked the character "Logan" showing how AMD performed well in a CPU bound game like Guild Wars 2, Rome Total War, WoW, Flight simulators.

 

Oh wait...you are telling me he just tested single player FPS games (GPU bound) and a side scrolling single player game? How cute.

 

An FX 8350 is going to be much better than the 4670K in editing and streaming. It's as good as the 4770K in those tasks and it costs about the same as the 4670K so it will fit within your budget.

Get an AM3+ Gigabyte 990FX-UD3 board with it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514

 

An 8350 as good as an I7 in streaming and editing? That's interesting.Hope your 8350 is at 5ghz, because at that speed it can almost compete with an I7 Sandybridge at 4.8. 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlC81MjwelBgdEZNV3l6aHl1eUNwSUR4Rml0MXMzN1E&usp=sharing#gid=0

 

AMD is a good choice if all you do is play FPS games (while streaming) and single player games and a horrible choice if you play other games that are CPU bound. It is not faster when OC then a I5 is OC, even in an 8 thread game. At stock a 8350 BARELY beats a I5 in a 8 thread game in multiplayer and it is close to a tie, with the AMD being clocked 600 mhz higher at stock. The I5 has a little higher highs. The 8350 has a little higher lows.

 

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Battlefield_4_China_Rising_-test-bf_4_proz.jpg

 

The only thing a 8350 is better at is rendering and streaming while playing. It is slightly worse to WAY WORSE in everything else, depending on which game you are playing. Logan is full of it and you are a sucker if you buy into his video. People knew FPS games and single player titles were GPU bound as far back as Quake. Him making a video showing that and then coming to the INSANE conclusion that a 8350 was faster or as good as an I5 for gaming? 

 

Logan is either dumb as a box of rocks or purposely manipulating people. I'll let you choose which.

 

If you aren't streaming and could give a damn about rendering the I5 is as good as it gets for any game, on any thread count minus the I7 and 2011 chips. Period. Add to that? The I5 can be paired with a SMALL  CHEAP PSU and a cheap z87 mb. The AMD cannot. When you OC the AMD you are going to need a big PSU and a 990fx board like Logan has in the video. Asus or Gigabyte. Take your pick.