Cpu, and motherboard question

[Leucon]

Ok, so I have been waiting a long while to get into the pc world, and as soon as I’m about to put the money down. New Ryzen CPUs come out, and of course now I want one, but I don’t know if I should just save the couple bucks and go with my Ryzen 5 1600, or go for the 2600x with my x370 board. But that’s where I get into the issue, if I get the 2600x and wanna still use my x370 board, Pc Part Picker, and everyone on YouTube is telling me I’ll need a bios update, but how will I update the bios if the 2600x won’t be useable until I update the bios? I think.  So how would I go about updating the bios if I don’t already have a cpu compatible with the x370 board (without a bios update) like the R5 1600?

 

 

And if anyone sees this please check out my build and tell me what you think! 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Tt8J8

 

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, Leucon said:

So how would I go about updating the bios if I don’t already have a cpu compatible with the x370 board (without a bios update) like the R5 1600?

Call AMD and ask them for a bootkit. It's just their oldest and crappiest APU, with certain compatibility to work on any AM4 motherboard and the lowest value that no one wants to keep it (they need you to send it back though).

 

2600X itself is merely 5% faster than a 1600 when both are overclocked, so with good value in mind you should stay with the 1600 because it's more than 5% cheaper. Efficiency is better on the 2600X due to lower operation voltage, so that's what you should buy if electricity is very expensive and you want to cut costs there.

 

240mm liquid cooler like that means you're after the most performance?

 

Kingston A400 SSD is quite slow because it doesnt have any DRAM cache. 120GB is arguably too few for all but the cheapest of systems. At the current market prices, Adata's SP600 256GB https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMqdnQ/a-data-internal-hard-drive-asp600s3256gmc seems to be your best choice.

 

Power supply uses an ancient group regulated design, a CX550M https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na is a better choice.

[Streetguru]

25 minutes ago, Leucon said:

 

Well first things first you don't need a key to install windows, you can just download the media creation tool and install it for free
 

But start with an R7 system, because you can always add an after market cooler later, X470 for StoreMI which is neat.

And you should really buy a case that actually has airflow. And  I would not waste $60 on RGB fans when that can go to a future GPU

Would not suggest paying $300 for a 1060 6GB or RX 580, save $100 and live with the 1050ti

 

save the rest of your money for a next gen GPU in a few months

240GB SSD minimum
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($73.39 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($189.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1039.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 01:37 EDT-0400

[Leucon]

11 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Well first things first you don't need a key to install windows, you can just download the media creation tool and install it for free
 

But start with an R7 system, because you can always add an after market cooler later, X470 for StoreMI which is neat.

And you should really buy a case that actually has airflow. And  I would not waste $60 on RGB fans when that can go to a future GPU

Would not suggest paying $300 for a 1060 6GB or RX 580, save $100 and live with the 1050ti

 

save the rest of your money for a next gen GPU in a few months

240GB SSD minimum
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($73.39 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($189.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1039.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 01:37 EDT-0400

Yoo, thanks for all the criticism and changing my mind on what to focus on because I wanted a nice slick looking build but i can live with a different looking build, with higher performance and at first I was going to go with a 1050 ti but then I saw the gigabyte card for $330 and I was shocked because 1060’s had been going for like $500 before, I was starting to think $300 was msrp for 1060’s and yeah I can just save the money from the 1060 and get a more powerful gpu in the future, but if I do go for the R7 2700x wouldnt my 1050 ti bottleneck the 2700x?

[Leucon]

11 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Well first things first you don't need a key to install windows, you can just download the media creation tool and install it for free
 

But start with an R7 system, because you can always add an after market cooler later, X470 for StoreMI which is neat.

And you should really buy a case that actually has airflow. And  I would not waste $60 on RGB fans when that can go to a future GPU

Would not suggest paying $300 for a 1060 6GB or RX 580, save $100 and live with the 1050ti

 

save the rest of your money for a next gen GPU in a few months

240GB SSD minimum
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($73.39 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($189.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1039.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 01:37 EDT-0400

 

11 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Call AMD and ask them for a bootkit. It's just their oldest and crappiest APU, with certain compatibility to work on any AM4 motherboard and the lowest value that no one wants to keep it (they need you to send it back though).

 

2600X itself is merely 5% faster than a 1600 when both are overclocked, so with good value in mind you should stay with the 1600 because it's more than 5% cheaper. Efficiency is better on the 2600X due to lower operation voltage, so that's what you should buy if electricity is very expensive and you want to cut costs there.

 

240mm liquid cooler like that means you're after the most performance?

 

Kingston A400 SSD is quite slow because it doesnt have any DRAM cache. 120GB is arguably too few for all but the cheapest of systems. At the current market prices, Adata's SP600 256GB https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMqdnQ/a-data-internal-hard-drive-asp600s3256gmc seems to be your best choice.

 

Power supply uses an ancient group regulated design, a CX550M https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na is a better choice.

 

12 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Well first things first you don't need a key to install windows, you can just download the media creation tool and install it for free
 

But start with an R7 system, because you can always add an after market cooler later, X470 for StoreMI which is neat.

And you should really buy a case that actually has airflow. And  I would not waste $60 on RGB fans when that can go to a future GPU

Would not suggest paying $300 for a 1060 6GB or RX 580, save $100 and live with the 1050ti

 

save the rest of your money for a next gen GPU in a few months

240GB SSD minimum
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVcTB/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($73.39 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($189.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1039.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 01:37 EDT-0400

And also the media creation tool to get windows for free, how do I do that. That’s gonna save a nice amount of change.

[Streetguru]

43 minutes ago, Leucon said:

Yoo, thanks for all the criticism and changing my mind on what to focus on because I wanted a nice slick looking build but i can live with a different looking build, with higher performance and at first I was going to go with a 1050 ti but then I saw the gigabyte card for $330 and I was shocked because 1060’s had been going for like $500 before, I was starting to think $300 was msrp for 1060’s and yeah I can just save the money from the 1060 and get a more powerful gpu in the future, but if I do go for the R7 2700x wouldnt my 1050 ti bottleneck the 2700x?

CPUs bottleneck refresh rate

GPUs bottleneck resolution/quality settings

Ryzen is good for at least 100fps average in most games, mostly there for 8 cores on the cheap
1050tiis good for 1080p medium-high settings in AAA games, mostly turn off shadows/AA

You just go to microsoft's website

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

And there's the tiered storage X470 gives you access too, basically combines your SSD and Hard drive space, and speeds up everything overall.

 

[Leucon]

50 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

CPUs bottleneck refresh rate

GPUs bottleneck resolution/quality settings

Ryzen is good for at least 100fps average in most games, mostly there for 8 cores on the cheap
1050tiis good for 1080p medium-high settings in AAA games, mostly turn off shadows/AA

You just go to microsoft's website

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

And there's the tiered storage X470 gives you access too, basically combines your SSD and Hard drive space, and speeds up everything overall.

 

That sounds sweet, but I don’t know if I really would want the 2700x because I’m gonna be doing mostly school work and some gaming, so I think the 1600 would be better for me, but the x470 board for combined ssd and hdd storage sounds really nice, and if I do that, couldn’t I get like a 240gb ssd and then the 1tb hdd and I would basicaly have 1240gb of ssd storage or something?

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Leucon said:

That sounds sweet, but I don’t know if I really would want the 2700x because I’m gonna be doing mostly school work and some gaming, so I think the 1600 would be better for me, but the x470 board for combined ssd and hdd storage sounds really nice, and if I do that, couldn’t I get like a 240gb ssd and then the 1tb hdd and I would basicaly have 1240gb of ssd storage or something?

I think that's how it works, probably more info coming

 

The R5 2600 is probably fine then.

[Leucon]

3 hours ago, Streetguru said:

I think that's how it works, probably more info coming

 

The R5 2600 is probably fine then.

I’ll have to contact AMD for that crapy apu to download the bios update if I get the 2600 right? If I do I think I’ll just go for the 1600, because you said the 2600x is Only a little better than the 1600, so I’ll just save the 60 bucks from the 2600x and buy an after market cooler

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Leucon said:

I’ll have to contact AMD for that crapy apu to download the bios update if I get the 2600 right? If I do I think I’ll just go for the 1600, because you said the 2600x is Only a little better than the 1600, so I’ll just save the 60 bucks from the 2600x and buy an after market cooler

If you buy an X470 board it won't need a BIOS update, and most X370 are possibly updated.

2600/X is maybe a bit better than previously thought.

Voltage Requirements to hit certain frequencies are lower on Gen 2 by a decent margin.

 

[Leucon]

2 hours ago, Streetguru said:

If you buy an X470 board it won't need a BIOS update, and most X370 are possibly updated.

2600/X is maybe a bit better than previously thought.

Voltage Requirements to hit certain frequencies are lower on Gen 2 by a decent margin.

 

I might go with just the 2600 then because it comes with the stock cooler, and I won’t be able to get the aio cooler if I get the 2600, so I’m gonna need that stock cooler, and I’ll also need to contact amd, for that apu because I havnt seen any x470 boards that I find will look nice with a black and white build, for a good price. I’m really digging that Msi krait gaming motherboard.

[Streetguru]

7 minutes ago, Leucon said:

I might go with just the 2600 then because it comes with the stock cooler, and I won’t be able to get the aio cooler if I get the 2600, so I’m gonna need that stock cooler, and I’ll also need to contact amd, for that apu because I havnt seen any x470 boards that I find will look nice with a black and white build, for a good price. I’m really digging that Msi krait gaming motherboard.

Wouldn't buy MSI AM4 boards, rather sub par vs the others this time around or so I hear. Really probably fine though.

I also really wouldn't worry about how your PC looks until you've got a 1950X with 2 titan Vs and a custom water cooling loop.

[Leucon]

On 4/25/2018 at 8:39 PM, Streetguru said:

Wouldn't buy MSI AM4 boards, rather sub par vs the others this time around or so I hear. Really probably fine though.

I also really wouldn't worry about how your PC looks until you've got a 1950X with 2 titan Vs and a custom water cooling loop.

I dunno, if I can keep it in budget and have it look nice and pretty it’s a bonus, but i don’t remember if I asked or not but, where would I go to get windows 10 without having to get a key?

[Streetguru]

On 4/29/2018 at 12:09 AM, Leucon said:

I dunno, if I can keep it in budget and have it look nice and pretty it’s a bonus, but i don’t remember if I asked or not but, where would I go to get windows 10 without having to get a key?

You just go to microsoft's website and get their media creation tool