Build Advice (GPU)

[TwoWheeledDaydreams]

Hi all,

 

For my first post i am asking for some advice, and probably for the millionth time on the interwebs reigniting the great GPU debate.

 

Here is the deal: I have had always dirt cheap second hand computers that can just about play current games at mid settings, then when it is no longer good enough for that you just bin it and buy another dirt cheap computer and over a long period of time (years) it works out similar to building a bttw PC that last years on its own.

 

I find myself now with an itch to build a computer from scratch myself and after debating with myself for a long time on the price point I find myself for once with some decent spare cash so have decided to go with a premium build:

 

Motherboard: ASUS maximus X hero

CPU: 8700k

Ram: 16gb trident z rgb

Storage: Single m.2 500gb

PSU: corsair rm1000x

Cooling: 240mm AIO for CPU top exhaust, rear exhaust case fan, x3 front intake case fans

 

The reason for the part choices up to this point is simple, they are fairly if not top of range at the moment and I can easily double the RAM should gaming go the way of 16gb becoming the absolutely minimum as opposed to the sweet spot currently, and apart form that the rest of the components should remain good enough far longer than even the current best GPU would remain current for my needs.

 

My thinking is simple, I can increase RAM and storage whenever I need to, but when the system is no longer adequate for high/ultra settings on gaming a GPU upgrade should be sufficient to achieve this and not a completely new system as the 8700k should last for years for what I need.

 

This is where my issue comes in, I have already invested a lot of money into the components chosen so far...do i max out the budget now for the current best 1080ti, which for an average gamer like myself is more than enough and should last years before as discussed an upgrade becomes really necessary to keep the system up to speed, or do I go for a much cheaper alternative and wait awhile for nvidia upcoming releases which will relatively last me even longer.

 

The point is really i am trying to build a system now whilst i have the spare cash but i certainly cannot afford nor desire to be upgrading components to have the best every time a new one is released and unless things have changed drastically since the last time i checked the way to keep a system going as long as possible for normal gaming is to just upgrade the graphics card as it does most of the work - would i gain significantly by making do with a second hand card of a lower model and waiting for the new architectures to come out or is the gain not going to be enough and i may as well look at 1080/1080ti now and get the years of use that it has left in it?

 

thanks for your help in advance, and for those interested this is all going in corsairs new mid-tower case the 275r (white with tempered glass)

[Airdragonz]

If you aren't planning on upgrading for another 5+ years or so, get a Titan Xp or 1080ti. Cause in 5 years from now, they'll still be something. If you plan on upgrading sooner than 4 or 5 years, I'd get a 1070 or 1070ti. They are competent cards, but I can't see them holding up to then modern games at mid settings after 4+ years. And nice case choice. Good luck building!

[Ausfernando]

Wait, in a few months the new GPUs will be announced 

[Queen Chrysalis]

8700k is a total waste now that Ryzen 2 is out.  With the meltdown and spectre patches, the 2700x closed the gap in single-core performance, and still eviscerates the i7 in multicore workloads.  Factor in long-term socket support, overclocking on all chips, and cheaper motherboards and there's no reason to even consider intel at least untill they make something new.

[Vek1313]

23 minutes ago, Ausfernando said:

Wait, in a few months the new GPUs will be announced 

OP said he wanted to go now while he/she has the cash.

9 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

8700k is a total waste now that Ryzen 2 is out.  With the meltdown and spectre patches, the 2700x closed the gap in single-core performance, and still eviscerates the i7 in multicore workloads.  Factor in long-term socket support, overclocking on all chips, and cheaper motherboards and there's no reason to even consider intel at least untill they make something new.

The 2700x is only $15 cheaper. Personally I like Ryzen but OP never said anything about workstation/editing rig. If it’s purely for gaming 8700k is the better chip. 8700k was mentioned and is overclockable. Long term socket support, AM4 is only guaranteed through 2020 last I saw and sometime in the near future things could be switching to DDR5 so upgrade path really isn’t anything when OP said they wanted this to last about 5 years. 

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, UnleashedPride said:

OP said he wanted to go now while he/she has the cash.

The 2700x is only $15 cheaper. Personally I like Ryzen but OP never said anything about workstation/editing rig. If it’s purely for gaming 8700k is the better chip. 8700k was mentioned and is overclockable. Long term socket support, AM4 is only guaranteed through 2020 last I saw and sometime in the near future things could be switching to DDR5 so upgrade path really isn’t anything when OP said they wanted this to last about 5 years. 

Yeah I guess.  But I would seriously wait three months in that case, as Intel should have a response cooked up for Ryzen 2 by then.

[TwoWheeledDaydreams]

Thanks for the replies everyone, really helpful and good food for thought.

 

I have to say i know very little about Ryzen hence the intel choice for build...but as it was mentioned this is purely for gaming....maybe possibly some very light video stuff as i am currently learning to ride motorcycles so possible some ride footage on YouTube but nothing that needs proper multi core work.

 

i have to say I hadn’t considered waiting for intels response to Ryzen 2 or the factor of DDR5. But again as mentioned by me and a reply i have the cash now and its my first ever build so I wanted to go for something that is suitable for needs but also familiar to me (as intel is)

 

I guess the only thing i should have clarified is that i might be able to afford to by a lower end car for now and then put some money aside for the new architecture.

 

Either way the responses are much appreciated and I am happy with my components chosen given my familiarity with PC’s and my experience level, either way looks like I will have a build that will last me years - i will just have to make the proper decision about the GPU in the coming days.

 

Maybe a second hand lower end GPU for now and put some money aside for the new architecture??

[Ausfernando]

On 4/22/2018 at 6:21 PM, UnleashedPride said:

OP said he wanted to go now while he/she has the cash.

The 2700x is only $15 cheaper. Personally I like Ryzen but OP never said anything about workstation/editing rig. If it’s purely for gaming 8700k is the better chip. 8700k was mentioned and is overclockable. Long term socket support, AM4 is only guaranteed through 2020 last I saw and sometime in the near future things could be switching to DDR5 so upgrade path really isn’t anything when OP said they wanted this to last about 5 years. 

Yeah, but parts are coming in May, he can get almost 2x the performance just from a few days from now

[TwoWheeledDaydreams]

6 hours ago, Ausfernando said:

Yeah, but parts are coming in May, he can get almost 2x the performance just from a few days from now

You make a good point but the price will be more than I am spending already. 

 

Also most tech sites say to expect the new intel chips in post-June if not q3. 

 

And on top of that it’s also now rumoured that there is also a new version of Ryzen being made to compete with the not yet released intel chips

 

Lets face it as tech fans when you decide to buy or build something you could always wait a couple of months for something better, that’s just the nature of tech. I am ready to build now and the 8700k is way more than I need and will last me years. 

 

There will be someone building in q3 of this year who will be told to wait till q1 of next year as the next CPU’s will be twice the power and so on and so on

[Vek1313]

8 hours ago, Ausfernando said:

Yeah, but parts are coming in May, he can get almost 2x the performance just from a few days from now

Source that new cards are coming in May?

[Ausfernando]

On 4/24/2018 at 3:28 PM, UnleashedPride said:

Source that new cards are coming in May?

The usual rate they update them