Upgrading CPU

[TheNuzziNuzz]

I currently have an intel i5 4440. I capture video, encode, and game at the same time. it doesn't work well. I need a new CPU.

 

Budget is flexible, under $300 not including motherboard, ram, etc. I plan on selling my current CPU.

 

I'm having a hard time choosing between single threaded performance and multi, because I don't really know what I need. Thanks for Helping.

[ZcanKal]

3 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

I currently have an intel i5 4440. I capture video, encode, and game at the same time. it doesn't work well. I need a new CPU.

 

Budget is flexible, under $300 not including motherboard, ram, etc. I plan on selling my current CPU.

 

I'm having a hard time choosing between single threaded performance and multi, because I don't really know what I need. Thanks for Helping.

4790k

[TheNuzziNuzz]

Just now, ZcanKal said:

4790k

Why not upgrade to Ryzen? The 1700x has almost double the multi-core performance, while at the same price as a used 4790k new. I already calculated for the new Motherboard and Ram I will need, I have the budget for it.

[sazrocks]

Wait for 2700x. Will be released this month.

[ZcanKal]

6 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

Why not upgrade to Ryzen? The 1700x has almost double the multi-core performance, while at the same price as a used 4790k new. I already calculated for the new Motherboard and Ram I will need, I have the budget for it.

cheap.

[DarkEnergy]

4 minutes ago, ZcanKal said:

cheap.

Not for everyone. For me, the 4790k is $100 more. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

 

 

40 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

I'm having a hard time choosing between single threaded performance and multi, because I don't really know what I need. 

Given

40 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

 I capture video, encode, and game at the same time.

I'd say you need good a handful of cores.

 

35 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

Why not upgrade to Ryzen? The 1700x has almost double the multi-core performance, while at the same price as a used 4790k new.

A Ryzen 7 would make a substantially bigger difference than the quad-core to quad-core Haswell move. Just watch out for imminent 2000 series release, in case you want to have that in your choice set. The price of the 1000 series has been coming down in the last few weeks due to it, so you may prefer to pull the trigger on a deal as well (I was really tempted to get a 1700 for €214 just yesterday, but I had to admit to myself that I'm not really building anything right now )

 

[TheNuzziNuzz]

9 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

 

 

Given

I'd say you need good a handful of cores.

 

A Ryzen 7 would make a substantially bigger difference than the quad-core to quad-core Haswell move. Just watch out for imminent 2000 series release, in case you want to have that in your choice set. The price of the 1000 series has been coming down in the last few weeks due to it, so you may prefer to pull the trigger on a deal as well (I was really tempted to get a 1700 for €214 just yesterday, but I had to admit to myself that I'm not really building anything right now )

 

Do you think the price will continue to go down when the new chips are released? In the past do the savings get significantly better?

€214 is the reason its so compelling compared to 4790k to me, but the 4790k has close to 35% the single core performance.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

14 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

Do you think the price will continue to go down when the new chips are released? In the past do the savings get significantly better?

I wouldn't expect any jump, just a bit more of second hand chips and some movement along the current slope. It will depend on what happens with the price of the 2000 series, but if it sticks to MSRP, I don't think the 1000 series can get that much cheaper (with sales like the 214 one, it would be a ~€100 difference...).

14 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

€214 is the reason its so compelling compared to 4790k to me, but the 4790k has close to 35% the single core performance.

I doubt so. It will depend on the model you get, since they come at different stock speeds, but they are all unlocked, so once overclocked I wouldn't expect much of a difference. It will vary from application to application, depending on what they emphasize, but in terms of IPC Ryzen 1000 is ovreall on par with Haswell-E / Broadwell, so it would boil down to clocks, cache, memory bandwidth... And, for your use case, cores: to game, stream, and encode at the same time, twice the physical cores makes a big difference, while running twice as many "logical cores" on the same silicon as your current i5 won't have that much of an impact.

[TheNuzziNuzz]

3 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I wouldn't expect any jump, just a bit more of second hand chips and some movement along the current slope. It will depend on what happens with the price of the 2000 series, but if it sticks to MSRP, I don't think the 1000 series can get that much cheaper (with sales like the 214 one, it would be a ~€100 difference...).

I doubt so. It will depend on the model you get, since they come at different stock speeds, but they are all unlocked, so once overclocked I wouldn't expect much of a difference. It will vary from application to application, depending on what they emphasize, but in terms of IPC Ryzen 1000 is ovreall on par with Haswell-E / Broadwell, so it would boil down to clocks, cache, memory bandwidth... And, for your use case, cores: to game, stream, and encode at the same time, twice the physical cores makes a big difference, while running twice as many "logical cores" on the same silicon as your current i5 won't have that much of an impact.

So I guess, at this point if its down to such specific things, which is a better overclocker? Considering I could get a New Ryzen 1700x for $280 compared to a used 4790k for the same price, I think the 1700x would be the better option?

 

Also what do you mean by "They come at different stock speeds" Where you talking about the Ryzen or 4790k?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, TheNuzziNuzz said:

So I guess, at this point if its down to such specific things, which is a better overclocker? Considering I could get a New Ryzen 1700x for $280 compared to a used 4790k for the same price, I think the 1700x would be the better option?

The Ryzen 7s reach most commonly 3.9-4.0GHz, while the 4790K ships at 4.0GHz amd can be overclocked further. Hence, there will be a clock advantage for the i7 in the end. How many MHz? That depends on your luck and how much you actually plan to push its limits.

 

Just now, TheNuzziNuzz said:

Also what do you mean by "They come at different stock speeds" Where you talking about the Ryzen or 4790k?

I mean the 1700, 1700x and 1800x: they are all the same CPU with different stock clocks and XFR ranges, but you can overclock each f them more or less to the same extent up to luck with the particular unit you get.

[TheNuzziNuzz]

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

The Ryzen 7s reach most commonly 3.9-4.0GHz, while the 4790K ships at 4.0GHz amd can be overclocked further. Hence, there will be a clock advantage for the i7 in the end. How many MHz? That depends on your luck and how much you actually plan to push its limits.

 

I mean the 1700, 1700x and 1800x: they are all the same CPU with different stock clocks and XFR ranges, but you can overclock each f them more or less to the same extent up to luck with the particular unit you get.

So to clarify, you are saying there won't be a big difference in single core performance between a good Ryzen 1000 and a 4790k given luck?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, TheNuzziNuzz said:

So to clarify, you are saying there won't be a big difference in single core performance between a good Ryzen 1000 and a 4790k given luck?

Yes.

And the difference there will be would be important for high FPS gaming on its own, but won't be much of an advantage for encoding+gaming+streaming. I mean, for that level of multitasking I would get a Ryzen 7 over a Skylake or Kaby Lake i7 too, it's Coffee Lake i7 and above that can keep up. The question here is not so much which will be better in your use case (Ryzen 7 by a mile), but whether it is still worth to stay with Haswell do to saving costs on motherboard and RAM (provided your motherboard is a Z series, or you won't be able to overclock the i7).

[TheNuzziNuzz]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Yes.

And the difference there will be would be important for high FPS gaming on its own, but won't be much of an advantage for encoding+gaming+streaming. I mean, for that level of multitasking I would get a Ryzen 7 over a Skylake or Kaby Lake i7 too, it's Coffee Lake i7 and above that can keep up. The question here is not so much which will be better in your use case (Ryzen 7 by a mile), but whether it is still worth to stay with Haswell do to saving costs on motherboard and RAM (provided your motherboard is a Z series, or you won't be able to overclock the i7).

Motherboard Is Z97 Sli Krait Eddition. I'm More Worried about longevity. I think selling this now and spending the $300 extra on a a better CPU will yield much more effective use of my money than waiting around for my stuff to be worthless. And then I will have the added ability to resell the new Ryzen gear again. If I buy old, especially a CPU for years ago its definitely not going to have the resell in a few years.

 

The biggest issue I'm going to have is Ram. I currently have 24gb DDR3 Samsung 2800mhz and 2200mhz. The i5 4440, and z97 Sli Krait eddition Motherboard. I was thinking I could get around $450 total for all that, which would enable $100 for new Ryzen Board, $250-300 for Ram, and then $50-$100 Plus upgrade budget of $200-$300 for CPU and I can get myself something pretty worth it. Does that sound right to you or am I dreaming?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, TheNuzziNuzz said:

Motherboard Is Z97 Sli Krait Eddition. I'm More Worried about longevity. I think selling this now and spending the $300 extra on a a better CPU will yield much more effective use of my money than waiting around for my stuff to be worthless. And then I will have the added ability to resell the new Ryzen gear again. If I buy old, especially a CPU for years ago its definitely not going to have the resell in a few years.

I think your point is reasonable.

Just now, TheNuzziNuzz said:

 

The biggest issue I'm going to have is Ram. I currently have 24gb DDR3 Samsung 2800mhz and 2200mhz. The i5 4440, and z97 Sli Krait eddition Motherboard. I was thinking I could get around $450 total for all that, which would enable $100 for new Ryzen Board, $250-300 for Ram, and then $50-$100 Plus upgrade budget of $200-$300 for CPU and I can get myself something pretty worth it. Does that sound right to you or am I dreaming?

I can't help you much there. RAM prices are crazy, which hits you hard when buying but also helps you when selling (DDR3 isn't as expensive as DDR4, but it is still like twice what it was on eBay two years ago). Probably someone with more experience with your local eBay can help you better assess the prices you can get and the ones you'll have to pay.

[TheNuzziNuzz]

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I think your point is reasonable.

I can't help you much there. RAM prices are crazy, which hits you hard when buying but also helps you when selling (DDR3 isn't as expensive as DDR4, but it is still like twice what it was on eBay two years ago). Probably someone with more experience with your local eBay can help you better assess the prices you can get and the ones you'll have to pay.

Thank You For the Help! I will go with Ryzen