Is This a good motherboard?

[MisterVince333]

Hello, I'm going to buil my first gaming pc. I'm not sure if my motherboard is good enough for gaming and if there are other things that I have to change. (this is a budget build btw)

 

(Cheap) Motherboard: MSI B250M PRO-VDH

[Unimaginative Name]

If you get a B250 board, get a 7700 non-k. If you get the 7700k, get a Z270 board. Start there. The 7700k is overclockable but requires an overclockable board. Z270 boards are overclockable and the B250 board does not support overclocking.

[Lurick]

Why go for outdated 7700K and the likes when you can get an 8400 or even 8600K and a Z370 board for more performance and equal or lesser cost?

[whoisit1118]

Unless you already bought the 7700k, go for the 8700k and Z370 instead. It is 1.5x performance for a few more dollars.

[MisterVince333]

Ok thx, but what's the difference between a Z270 motherboard and a Z370 motherboard?

 

[Apepa]

5 hours ago, Lurick said:

Why go for outdated 7700K and the likes when you can get an 8400 or even 8600K and a Z370 board for more performance and equal or lesser cost?

@MisterVince333 The 8600k is currently going for 220 Euro on Amazon.de, and Amazon.co.uk. Makes much more sense than a 7700k for 273 Euro. Same ore faster in games, much better for multithreading.

 

4 hours ago, MisterVince333 said:

Ok thx, but what's the difference between a Z270 motherboard and a Z370 motherboard?

Z270 supports 6th and 7th gen CPUs. Z370 supports only 8th gen CPUs.

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, MisterVince333 said:

Ok thx, but what's the difference between a Z270 motherboard and a Z370 motherboard?

 

Z270 and Z10 are for the 6000 and 7000 series chips.

Z370 is for the 8000 series chips.

You cannot use a 6000 or 7000 series chip on a 300 series board or vice versa with an 8000 series chip on the 100 or 200 series boards

[MisterVince333]

4 hours ago, Apepa said:

@MisterVince333 The 8600k is currently going for 220 Euro on Amazon.de, and Amazon.co.uk. Makes much more sense than a 7700k for 273 Euro. Same ore faster in games, much better for multithreading.

Rlly? Can you send me the link because I can't find it on Amazon.de ...

 

4 hours ago, Lurick said:

Z270 and Z10 are for the 6000 and 7000 series chips.

Z370 is for the 8000 series chips.

You cannot use a 6000 or 7000 series chip on a 300 series board or vice versa with an 8000 series chip on the 100 or 200 series boards

Thanks man, you saved my life !

[Lurick]

9 minutes ago, MisterVince333 said:

Rlly? Can you send me the link because I can't find it on Amazon.de ...

This should be it:

https://www.amazon.de/Intel-BX80684I58600K-CPU-grau/dp/B0759FKH8K

[MisterVince333]

Just now, Lurick said:

This should be it:

https://www.amazon.de/Intel-BX80684I58600K-CPU-grau/dp/B0759FKH8K

Yeah, but this is an I5 ... The I7 700k is better, or am I wrong? (proof: 

 

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, MisterVince333 said:

Yeah, but this is an I5 ... The I7 700k is better, or am I wrong? (proof:

They are about equal with the 8600K having two less threads since the 7700K is a 4core/8thread while the 8600K is 6core/6thread but allows you to upgrade in the future to an 8700K which has 6cores/12threads. So they perform about the same but the 8600K and Z370 gives you an upgrade path, the other doesn't, and it allows you to get an overclocking board into the same budget.

 

Couldn't find the exact GPU or monitor so I put in placeholders but it's pretty close to what you had:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€220.29 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€31.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€110.19 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€89.50 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€42.50 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB SC GAMING Video Card  (€299.90 @ Caseking)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€78.78 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€68.06 @ Mindfactory)
Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (€200.00)
Total: €1293.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-11 18:15 CET+0100

[Apepa]

4 hours ago, MisterVince333 said:

Yeah, but this is an I5 ... The I7 700k is better, or am I wrong? (proof: 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3157-intel-i5-8600k-review-overclocking-vs-8700k-8400/page-2

At stock clocks the 7700k is faster in some games because of the higher base clock speed. The 8600k will be better for future games, and will match the 7700k at the same clock speeds. There's no point getting a K series CPU if you don't overclock.

 

4 hours ago, Lurick said:

They are about equal with the 8600K having two less threads since the 7700K is a 4core/8thread while the 8600K is 6core/6thread but allows you to upgrade in the future to an 8700K which has 6cores/12threads.

The extra threads on the 7700k are meaningless, since hyperthreading is significantly slower than having real physical cores. http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i5-8600k-processor-review,7.html

[MisterVince333]

4 hours ago, Apepa said:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3157-intel-i5-8600k-review-overclocking-vs-8700k-8400/page-2

At stock clocks the 7700k is faster in some games because of the higher base clock speed. The 8600k will be better for future games, and will match the 7700k at the same clock speeds. There's no point getting a K series CPU if you don't overclock.

Thanks man, so do you think that I can get a better framerate with an overclocked i5 8600 then with a non-overclocked I7 7700?

 

Final question: is this ok? and do you have  any suggestions?

[Apepa]

23 minutes ago, MisterVince333 said:

Thanks man, so do you think that I can get a better framerate with an overclocked i5 8600 then with a non-overclocked I7 7700?

For sure.

 

For 1-4 threads, an 8600k @ 4.2Ghz will be the same as a 7700k @4.2GHz

 

For more than 4 threads an 8600k will beat a 7700k even at stock speeds.

 

Older games (like GTA V) don't really use more than 4 threads effectively, but newer games will, making the 8600k a better option for the future.

[MisterVince333]

2 minutes ago, Apepa said:

For sure.

 

For 1-4 threads, an 8600k @ 4.2Ghz will be the same as a 7700k @4.2GHz

 

For more than 4 threads an 8600k will beat a 7700k even at stock speeds.

 

Older games (like GTA V) don't really use more than 4 threads effectively, but newer games will, making the 8600k a better option for the future.

So this is perfect, right?

[Apepa]

2 hours ago, MisterVince333 said:

So this is perfect, right?

 

Spoiler

 

It looks good to me. Only one thing I would say is you could spend an extra 15-20 on a better CPU cooler to bring it up to the price you had originally. Would also help you get a little more out of that 8600k

[MisterVince333]

8 hours ago, Apepa said:

It looks good to me. Only one thing I would say is you could spend an extra 15-20 on a better CPU cooler to bring it up to the price you had originally. Would also help you get a little more out of that 8600k

Which one should I buy? (link: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/hmtCmG,Vwdqqs,xxphP6,RcdFf7/ )

[Apepa]

3 hours ago, MisterVince333 said:

Which one should I buy? (link: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/hmtCmG,Vwdqqs,xxphP6,RcdFf7/ )

Maybe one of these:

 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/dVwqqs/scythe-cpu-cooler-scfm1000

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100