SLI and Crossfire

[shehzad]

Why all companies suddenly doping multiple GPU setup? Now the software is so good, it even can out run dual 1080s. Nvidia shouldn't be worried about electric power consumption on these setup. Bit coin has taken care of it, and no one uses Crossfire and Sli for it. Also to mention very few people are using actual GTX 1070/1080s for mining. RX 480 8Gb is already in service and gone missing from the market.       

[shehzad]

To add: I don't think 4 way GPU can consume more electricity then Tesla Model S.      "Just saying"   

[Jurrunio]

20 minutes ago, shehzad said:

Also to mention very few people are using actual GTX 1070/1080s for mining. RX 480 8Gb is already in service and gone missing from the market.       

People who dont do their own research does not deserve a proper reply

[shehzad]

Yeah right!!! like you

[1234vietnam]

26 minutes ago, shehzad said:

Also to mention very few people are using actual GTX 1070/1080s for mining

why are they out of stock then?

[knightslugger]

2 minutes ago, shehzad said:

Yeah right!!! like you

dude, the 1070/1070ti is pretty much the most efficient bang for buck GPU a miner can buy... I don't know where you got your info from, but that's WAAAAY off the mark.

[shehzad]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

People who dont do their own research does not deserve a proper reply

Give me one good reason other then mining why RX480 just disappear from the market? and got boost in price if available.  

[knightslugger]

2 minutes ago, shehzad said:

Give me one good reason other then mining why RX480 just disappear from the market? and got boost in price if available.  

supply and demand?

[shehzad]

first of all Mining isn't the topic, X-fire and Sli are and they aren't out of stock my reachable market.   

[kerradeph]

They're dropping it because it has mediochre support if it's supported at all by many games. There are solutions for rendering companies as well as from what I've heard they don't need to be in a paired mode as long as they're in the computer, a lot of rendering computers can use them. From the gamers side, it adds cost and complexity as well as the complexity on the design side. I can understand why some people want to have the bragging rights of having 2, 3, or even 4 cards all packed together however for 99.9% of the market that's not needed.

 

As to the mining, everything is being used. As one card gets marked up due to high demand they'll move to another one with better cost to performance. This has resulted in an overall spike in pretty much the entire GPU market. As to them not being out of stock where you are, where do you live that has easy stock of graphics cards? I imagine a lot of gamers and even more miners would like to know. 

[shehzad]

OK!! Toyota sells more corollas then any GPU,There are around 10 manufacturers, and they manufacturer almost same thing. How they go out of stock? thing is they stop manufacturing the stuff or drop the supply when demand increases. then they changed the prices to max and they never comeback down and the launch new product on lower price with better claims. when that thing starting to roll they do same thing after some time. They blame on the stuff which really doesn't matter. Supply of RX 480 decreased because only 3 companies were manufacturing them in early 2017 , then they drop to two and then RX 500s came and Manufacturing all sudden stop so the supply but demand was standing.       

[kerradeph]

Actually Nvidia manufactures all of the actual GPUs from their line and AMD manufactures all of the GPUs from their line. The GPUs are sent out to the AIC companies like Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA, etc where they are put onto cards with the specifications for the GPU. Nvidia and AMD are not increasing the price, the AIC companies did increase the price slightly but neither of those are the source of the massive prices. It's the retailers reacting to supply and demand meaning that rather than a say 5-10% cut they're getting upwards of a 50-60% cut of the massively inflated price. Speculation on if supply is being artificially limited is exactly that, speculation, we have no real proof of it. 

[shehzad]

Yeah I mean same thing. you can't get it from Redeon right. Reduction of supply by stocking is one thing, real thing and it's crime if it's food. AMD was expecting that much demand and they had enough wafer to go around. AIC companies were very few in the end to manufacture them. Amd sold lot of Graphic Processor in X Boxes and PSs.       

[kerradeph]

17 minutes ago, shehzad said:

OK!! Toyota sells more corollas then any GPU      

 

In a single quarter nvidia alone sells more desktop GPUs than Toyota has sold corollas worldwide in the last 18 years. Again, you seem to be saying things without doing any research into it. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Corolla#Sales

 

year	US	Canada	Australia	Europe
2000	230156		30576
2001	245,023		30813
2002	254360		34948
2003	325,477		36128
2004	333161		39053
2005	341,290		46415
2006	387388		46256
2007	371,390		47,792	85,407
2008	351007	57,736	47901	119,120
2009	296,874	53,933	39,013
2010	266,082	38,680	41,632	51,189
2011	240,259	36,663	36,087	69,889
2012	290,947	40,906	38,799	63,481
2013	302,180	44,449	43,498	67,987
2014	339,498	48,881	43,735	83,301
2015	363,332	47,199	42,073	69,194
2016	360,483	45,626	40,330	67,876
2017	308,695
	5607602	414073	685049	677444	7384168

[shehzad]

I brought this up because AMD's new APU's. If you could crossfire with PCI one with Socket one, so you can get a performance boost for a cpu and gpu card. We can't get intel thunderbolt technology for AMDs 8 core Laptop.    

[shehzad]

Read the graph carefully, in this graph is not one gpu, it's all of Nvidia GPUs sold including laptop shared one, Corolla is one car, one product there are around 5m corolla only sold in Asia dude, what are you talking about. Toyota doesn't have real Number for Asia. 

[kerradeph]

Okay, against the full product line from Toyota nvidia is a little below the annual production per quarter. And those are discreet GPU numbers.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota#Production_and_sales_numbers

[shehzad]

According to Statista not Wikipedia, toyota sold cars 1000 x 108000 in 2017  

[kerradeph]

They sold new cars to 1% of the population of the world last year alone? I highly doubt that. 

 

EDIT: https://www.statista.com/statistics/267272/worldwide-vehicle-production-of-toyota/

Please link to  sources rather than just reading the wrong stats or making things up.

[shehzad]

point is, what's more difficult car or 9 inch pcb?

[kerradeph]

1 minute ago, shehzad said:

point is, what's more difficult car or 9 inch pcb?

It's not the PCB. It's the processor on that PCB that's exceedingly difficult to produce. They're manufacturing at a scale smaller than the wavelength of light. Welding together panels and supports and assembling engines is reasonably complex but it can be done using mass produced robots. There are only a couple of places in the world capable of doing the manufacturing for the GPUs. 

[shehzad]

There only two major player in GPU game AMD and Nvidia. If you want GPU, you had to buy one of these. On car, you can car from 100+ manufacturers with 1000+ model. 

[shehzad]

You think PCBs and "cards" or "processor " are made by hand or angel wings. here is a link from Youtube, for smallest pcb. 

 

[kerradeph]

5 minutes ago, shehzad said:

There only two major player in GPU game AMD and Nvidia. If you want GPU, you had to buy one of these. On car, you can car from 100+ manufacturers with 1000+ model. 

Yes, as I noted. the scale that they are working on makes getting into the market extremely difficult. There's an immense amount of R&D as well as you would need to have all of the other components such as the motherboard or willing motherboard manufacturers to make them for you which would be difficult as you are basically an unknown in the market. Cars can be built by hand to start with, they rely on old tech and a ton of the stuff involved in building a car is open to everyone and easy to research. 

 

That video is pointless. That's like saying that making a pocket knife is more complex than making a katana because the pocket knife is smaller. CPUs and GPUs are being manufactured at a far smaller scale. They may be larger physically, but the features used to build them are far smaller and more detailed. I know that they're not built by hand or by some divine being, they literally can not be built by hand. 

[shehzad]

Intel, AMD and Nvidia, you think they are only beautiful technology manufacturing companies? No what we are getting is left over technology. TESLA has changed it's direction, IBM is focusing on I don't know on Super Computing, Apple doesn't manufacturer it's own products but there other companies, name you and I never heard of are also Manufacturing these thing. As we can access only 10% internet and only the technology. Example for that is Nvidia Quadro smallest member. You know it beats Gtx what ever on any graphic creation, multi pixels and stuff, but it still a shadow. Nvidia has around 14 labor companies as so other. Tell me this AMD processors like FXs sucked. Intel dual core cpu like i3 could beat 8 core amd in many things. Now all the sudden AMD wakes up and kill intel flag ship. How these companies works, how new world economy is developing it's way complicated.