Gaming/Productivity CPU Needed

[MitchAC]

I was going to buy a pc with an i5 7600k, but with the recent news im thinking maybe i should buy another pc with a ryzen 1700x, what should i'll do?, do i stick with intel or go to team red?
(sorry for bad engish)

[Vandorlot]

Well id reccomend ryzen 1700 without the x if you are need the extra cores but if your gaming the ryzen 5 1600 should be perfectly fine.

[bleedblue]

We can't really give any sensible recommendations unless you tell us what you're going to do with your pc. Is it strictly gaming? Content creation? Whatever it is, just don't get a kaby lake system, that generation's dead.

[MitchAC]

3 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

We can't really give any sensible recommendations unless you tell us what you're going to do with your pc. Is it strictly gaming? Content creation? Whatever it is, just don't get a kaby lake system, that generation's dead.

For gaming and work

[BryceJonathan]

6 minutes ago, MitchAC said:

For gaming and work

Well what is "work" for you. As that is so incredibly vague.

[_OKAY_]

intel   coffeelake  is better then ryzen in my opinion

[MitchAC]

Just now, BryceJonathan said:

Well what is "work" for you. As that is so incredibly vague.

lol, college work (word documents and such) and programing

[BryceJonathan]

Just now, MitchAC said:

lol, college work (word documents and such) and programing

If you can find a coffeelake i5 that is what I would go for then. I love the r7 1700 but you will not utilize the extra cores so it would be better to get the i5-8400

[PineyCreek]

Just now, MitchAC said:

lol, college work (word documents and such) and programing

Then if gaming is a priority Intel would be the better choice.  Ryzen won't do you wrong either, and you have more productive options since you have more cores for less money, but you get better single core performance in general with Intel.

[Fokus]

7 hours ago, MitchAC said:

lol, college work (word documents and such) and programing

I recommend either an i3 8350k or an I5 8600k. If you do more gaming then work choose the i3. If you do more work then gaming choose the i5.

 

7 hours ago, coyotetracker said:

I recommend either an i3 8350k or an I5 8600k. If you do more gaming then work choose the i3. If you do more work then gaming choose the i5.

The I5 has 6 cores and 6 threads and the I3 has 4 cores and 4 threads.

[Daniel Z.]

Gaming only: 8400 or 8700k (if 8400, wait for b and h chipsets)

Gaming and multithread stuff: 1600 or 1700.

 

BTW, overclock the 8400 to boost if you get a Z370 board. 

[Stefan Payne]

8 hours ago, Vandorlot said:

Well id reccomend ryzen 1700 without the x if you are need the extra cores but if your gaming the ryzen 5 1600 should be perfectly fine.

With the price drop, 1700 makes not much sense no more because its like 10 bucks cheaper...

 

 

7 hours ago, _OKAY_ said:

intel   coffeelake  is better then ryzen in my opinion

Yes especially after the dropped security issues and the needed patches that kills the performance in syscalls heavy situations...

And doesn't support ECC RAM, wich can be an argument for "Work" computers.

 

so why recommending Intel when AMD is a really good option right now and doesn't rip you off like Intel does?

[JoostinOnline]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yes especially after the dropped security issues and the needed patches that kills the performance in syscalls heavy situations...

And doesn't support ECC RAM, wich can be an argument for "Work" computers.

 

so why recommending Intel when AMD is a really good option right now and doesn't rip you off like Intel does?

And the fanboy returns.

 

First off, Coffee Lake processors still perform better. Second, stop suggesting products based on what company you find to be more ethical. If you want to stick with AMD that's totally fine. Just stop acting like products get bonus speed based on company policies. This isn't a video game. Third, why the hell would he waste money on ECC memory? It's slower and doesn't make typing college essays better. 

 

He's not streaming or doing content creation. There's no reason to get Ryzen in his case. 

[Ddarlington36]

1 hour ago, JoostinOnline said:

And the fanboy returns.

 

First off, Coffee Lake processors still perform better. Second, stop suggesting products based on what company you find to be more ethical. If you want to stick with AMD that's totally fine. Just stop acting like products get bonus speed based on company policies. This isn't a video game. Third, why the hell would he waste money on ECC memory? It's slower and doesn't make typing college essays better. 

 

He's not streaming or doing content creation. There's no reason to get Ryzen in his case. 

Rather its amd or intel each processors have their niches that really cater to that segment.

So if your a multi-tasker streaming encoding 4k tasks that are heavy in threads like virtualization envoirments and game at relatively 1080p this setup would suite a Ryzen 1600

 

As for intel there a bit similar but mostly what makes intel processors great is IPC performance single thread,  and thats what makes them so good at gaming. While gaming is good its not everything it just isn't that great at alot of other things.  So if your an everyday user not heavy on theads and like to game intel is great for that i5-8400 1080p for 2k On 8700k anything at 4k and 120hz or 240hz

 

IPC is linear in games that why its good but how long before zen architecture actually challenges the IPC crown i'd say intel is about to take a backseat in the very near future how long can they stick with 14nm and still just release new refresh after refresh without actually advancing any new tech over the last generation of processors. Oh and before i forget intel have a premium cost of ownership will usually be more $$ on a intel systems socket generations never last more than 2 years.  

 

Amd isnt perfect by far if overclocking is you're thing its a litter harder on zen platforms but on a cost of ownership i see little reason to buy intel imo 

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

First off, Coffee Lake processors still perform better.

Not in a Situation where you need many syscalls, as you should also have mentioned.

But it seems like you are projecting your mindset onto others and calling them names but forget that they also have a couple of Intel systems right now (2x LGA2011, 1x 1366).

And also if you want to do 2 load heavy things at the same time - like Streaming and playing a game, the AMD is still better than the Intel. 

Seems like you are lying by omission and present the Intel in a better light than they deserved to be presented...

Also you did not mention anything about Spectre and Meltdown, although its not unimportant, is it?!

 

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Second, stop suggesting products based on what company you find to be more ethical. If you want to stick with AMD that's totally fine.

Why so agressive?
Because someone presented some pretty valid arguments about Intel you can not refute? 

Or what are you saying right now?!

 

Also you are projecting your point of view onto others. Don't you think that whoever wants a system deserves to know everything they can?!

 

And here we are again at the point where you are presenting Intel in a better light than they deserve to be presented.

Especially after the last couple of days...

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Just stop acting like products get bonus speed based on company policies. This isn't a video game.

Then be honest and say that you are the Intel fan you are and don't want others to buy AMD.

 

Because if Intel was as amazing as you tell they are, why are there people who don't want to buy Intel and tend to avoid them, if Intel is as good as you say they are?

 

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Third, why the hell would he waste money on ECC memory? It's slower and doesn't make typing college essays better. 

Because Rowhammer and it is proven that ECC is more reliable than non ECC memory.

Especially since this PC also is being used.

 

And ECC is _NOT_ slower thhan non ECC memory.

Registred memory is, ECC is not.

 

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

He's not streaming or doing content creation. There's no reason to get Ryzen in his case. 

Because you don't want people to buy Intel, becauuse you were satisfied with those tiny steps in the last 10 years and like (almost) 10 years Quad Core with SMT or what are you saying?!

 

26 minutes ago, Ddarlington36 said:

but mostly what makes intel processors great is IPC performance single thread, 

...wich also might be the reason why they are suseptible to Meltdown and AMD is not, because Intel cheated with their branch prediction/speculative excecution and used a method that was knowingly unsafe.

 

Because there is this document from 2007:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631&w=2

 

As I said before, hiding in this list are 20-30 bugs that cannot be worked around by operating systems, and will be potentially exploitable. I would bet a lot of money that at least 2-3 of them are.

 

And now imagine how JoostinOnline would react if everything would be reversed, Intel would be the ones that are safer and AMD had Meltdown - and possibly known about it for ~10 years...

[JoostinOnline]

1 hour ago, Ddarlington36 said:

Rather its amd or intel each processors have their niches that really cater to that segment.

So if your a multi-tasker streaming encoding 4k tasks that are heavy in threads like virtualization envoirments and game at relatively 1080p this setup would suite a Ryzen 1600

 

As for intel there a bit similar but mostly what makes intel processors great is IPC performance single thread,  and thats what makes them so good at gaming. While gaming is good its not everything it just isn't that great at alot of other things.  So if your an everyday user not heavy on theads and like to game intel is great for that i5-8400 1080p for 2k On 8700k anything at 4k and 120hz or 240hz

 

IPC is linear in games that why its good but how long before zen architecture actually challenges the IPC crown i'd say intel is about to take a backseat in the very near future how long can they stick with 14nm and still just release new refresh after refresh without actually advancing any new tech over the last generation of processors. Oh and before i forget intel have a premium cost of ownership will usually be more $$ on a intel systems socket generations never last more than 2 years.  

 

Amd isnt perfect by far if overclocking is you're thing its a litter harder on zen platforms but on a cost of ownership i see little reason to buy intel imo 

All of which I know. We aren't talking about products in the future. This is what's available now. Coffee Lake is currently better than the Ryzen equivalents in gaming. The fact that boards are so expensive sucks though, particularly if you aren't overclocking. 

 

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Not in a Situation where you need many syscalls, as you should also have mentioned.

But it seems like you are projecting your mindset onto others and calling them names but forget that they also have a couple of Intel systems right now (2x LGA2011, 1x 1366).

And also if you want to do 2 load heavy things at the same time - like Streaming and playing a game, the AMD is still better than the Intel. 

Seems like you are lying by omission and present the Intel in a better light than they deserved to be presented...

Also you did not mention anything about Spectre and Meltdown, although its not unimportant, is it?!

 

Why so agressive?
Because someone presented some pretty valid arguments about Intel you can not refute? 

Or what are you saying right now?!

 

Also you are projecting your point of view onto others. Don't you think that whoever wants a system deserves to know everything they can?!

 

And here we are again at the point where you are presenting Intel in a better light than they deserve to be presented.

Especially after the last couple of days...

Then be honest and say that you are the Intel fan you are and don't want others to buy AMD.

 

Because if Intel was as amazing as you tell they are, why are there people who don't want to buy Intel and tend to avoid them, if Intel is as good as you say they are?

 

Because Rowhammer and it is proven that ECC is more reliable than non ECC memory.

Especially since this PC also is being used.

 

And ECC is _NOT_ slower thhan non ECC memory.

Registred memory is, ECC is not.

 

Because you don't want people to buy Intel, becauuse you were satisfied with those tiny steps in the last 10 years and like (almost) 10 years Quad Core with SMT or what are you saying?!

 

...wich also might be the reason why they are suseptible to Meltdown and AMD is not, because Intel cheated with their branch prediction/speculative excecution and used a method that was knowingly unsafe.

 

Because there is this document from 2007:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631&w=2

 

 

 

Just stop. I am not a fanboy, I just recognize that AMD isn't the best choice in this situation. Right now Coffee Lake crushes Ryzen. I spent like 6 months recommending Ryzen because it was almost always the best choice. Hell, I even bought AMD stock.  Now Intel is usually the best choice. You also apparently didn't even read my post, because I said Ryzen was better for streaming and content creation. But he's doing neither. 

 

Get your head out of your ass and stop accusing people of lying when you don't even read posts. Almost every post you make completely overlooks whoever you quoted. 

 

PS: Spectre affects AMD too, and Windows patches have been suspended on AMD systems because they were making systems unbootable due to improper documentation by AMD.

[MitchAC]

13 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

PS: Spectre affects AMD too, and Windows patches have been suspended on AMD systems because they were making systems unbootable due to improper documentation by AMD.

Thanks for the info,but could you elaborate?, or provide a link, i'll realy appreciate it

[Ddarlington36]

 

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/05/spectre_flaws_explained/

[JoostinOnline]

4 hours ago, MitchAC said:

Thanks for the info,but could you elaborate?, or provide a link, i'll realy appreciate it

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/bad-docs-and-blue-screens-make-microsoft-suspend-spectre-patch-for-amd-machines/

Spectre affects Intel, AMD, and ARM processors. Even a Raspberry Pi is vulnerable.