1700x Ryzen 7 1700x Cannot Overclock?

[zoarquenix]

Hello guys, I'm Zo, new user here.
I just finished my first build and tried to overclock the Ryzen CPU for a little boost but there are some problems. I can't seem to solve it since I'm so new on overclocking and don't want to roast my PC with some settings I dont even know what it is. Please guide me on this.

My build spec :

- CPU : Ryzen 7 1700x

- CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-D15S + NF-A15 (so it's double fan now)

- Motherboard : Asrock Taichi X370 --> updated to latest BIOS v3.20
- Memory : 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200mhz

- GPU : Galax GTX 1060 OC 6GB

- PSU : Seasonic X650

My issue was I cannot overclock it past the stock value. I mean, from what I read, the stock value is 3.4 ghz, but from HWMonitor reads it's about 3.5 ghz (around 3.499, but why it shows MHz instead of GHz ya?). Then I followed the instructions on this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Tw-wcT7o4&t=377s

 

-since he also use the same taichi mobo as mine, so it's easier for newbie like me. Followed exactly the same. First time I tried oc to 3.8ghz (as the video instructed). Followed everything perfectly, Windows boot up, but when I checked, it goes down to around 2.1-2.2ghz. So I lower the value to 3.6ghz, then I checked, but still around 2.1 ghz. I reset everything to default, and then it was back to 3.5ghz. Tried some more (now with XMP profile on), and it goes back to 2.1-2.2ghz. It's like I cannot get past 3.4-3.5ghz. But the thing is, with XMP profile enabled, my 3200mhz memory is now recognized (from the previous boot only reads about 2666mhz). I have no idea how much I should change the value of the voltage or other stuff according to the temps. Do any of you have problems like this and have any solution for it? Or I just have a really bad luck? If it so, I guess I have no choice to move on with whatever the stock settings are. since it would be a pain to return the CPU and get a replacement. It would take a long time. Well, at least the memory was read correctly.

Thank you so much for reading this far everyone. Any feedbacks, opinions, and advices will be greatly appreciated.
Regards!

 

 

[Jurrunio]

about 2GHz when you do Cinebench test?

[xg32]

did you plug in the cpu 4pin? sometimes the board will power the cpu but you cannot oc without that plugged in

[airdeano]

welcome to the Linus Tech Tips forums!

 

the low state speeds (intel speedstep) are from not having the windows power profile to high performance or the AMD performance mode.

 

[zoarquenix]

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

about 2GHz when you do Cinebench test?

No, it was read from HWMonitor. I haven't do any Cinebench test yet.
 

13 minutes ago, xg32 said:

did you plug in the cpu 4pin? sometimes the board will power the cpu but you cannot oc without that plugged in

I believe I have.
It's around the top left corner of Mobo right? 4 pin to power supply, but 2 separated 4 pin (in total of 8 pins) on my cable and mobo.

[zoarquenix]

20 minutes ago, airdeano said:

welcome to the Linus Tech Tips forums!

 

the low state speeds (intel speedstep) are from not having the windows power profile to high performance or the AMD performance mode.

 

Hello. Thank you for the warm welcome!
I'm kinda lost on this. Do you mean the reading of Mhz and Ghz?
I've updated to the latest AMD Chipsets driver and set it the power profile to High Performance (but it's only named High Performance. The one with AMD Ryzen one is Balanced)

[Streetguru]

30 minutes ago, zoarquenix said:

 

Reset the BIOS to stock and try to use Ryzen Master to OC it, and then use it or CPU-Z to check the frequency.

[xg32]

8 minutes ago, zoarquenix said:

No, it was read from HWMonitor. I haven't do any Cinebench test yet.
 

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ya i had trouble with oc twice, once was that plug falling off, the other was a failing psu, although it ur case, do try ryzen master, i don't have a ryzen build myself, ill leave the troubleshooting to others.

[zoarquenix]

24 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Reset the BIOS to stock and try to use Ryzen Master to OC it, and then use it or CPU-Z to check the frequency.

Hello Streetguru.
I tried Ryzen Master too. My experience with that is :
- Reset BIOS to stock

- On Ryzen Master, only increase the cpu clock value >> which is to 3.6ghz and 3.8ghz

- No changes on anything else (since I really don't know what and how much to increase / decrease)

- If I can recall, I think the voltage is around 1.35 V.

- Apply, and the reading on Ryzen Master is correct; it increased to 3.6ghz and 3.8ghz but it also shows an error "Profile 1 Apply Failed (MEM VTT)". I read somewhere that the MEM VTT should be half the MEM VDDIO, so I checked, and it is correct, but still failed to apply.

- Eventho it increased, but because of that error sign, I decided to revert it back to stock value.

Bad luck is it? :\

 

18 minutes ago, xg32 said:

ya i had trouble with oc twice, once was that plug falling off, the other was a failing psu, although it ur case, do try ryzen master, i don't have a ryzen build myself, ill leave the troubleshooting to others.

I'll recheck the plug on the PSU and the motherboard itself again later. Thank you so much for your replies, xg32. 

[Jurrunio]

43 minutes ago, zoarquenix said:

No, it was read from HWMonitor. I haven't do any Cinebench test yet.

You have to put load on it to reach higher clock speeds.

[zoarquenix]

21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You have to put load on it to reach higher clock speeds.

So, what you mean is, after I overclocked it via BIOS, it doesn't matter if it read 2.1-2.2 on HWMonitor at that moment?
Just do the Cinebench test first? If that so, I'll try it again right away.

On the instruction video I saw, his HWMonitor reads 3.8ghz right away after overclocking. :\

[Jurrunio]

10 minutes ago, zoarquenix said:

So, what you mean is, after I overclocked it via BIOS, it doesn't matter if it read 2.1-2.2 on HWMonitor at that moment?
Just do the Cinebench test first? If that so, I'll try it again right away.

On the instruction video I saw, his HWMonitor reads 3.8ghz right away after overclocking. :\

It's a power saving tech to not reach maximum clock speed when you dont use the performance. Once you put heavy load on it, it will raise the clock speed. Cinebench is one of the ways to load the CPU heavily.

 

As for the video showing max clock speed at start, he probably turned off C state or P state, which is the name of power saving option.

[zoarquenix]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

It's a power saving tech to not reach maximum clock speed when you dont use the performance. Once you put heavy load on it, it will raise the clock speed. Cinebench is one of the ways to load the CPU heavily.

 

As for the video showing max clock speed at start, he probably turned off C state or P state, which is the name of power saving option.

So, I've tried it again, and yet reverted it again.
Here's the result on Cinebench, CPU-Z, and HWMonitor.
The first one is after overclocking to 3.8Ghz. It reads as 3.8Ghz on Cinebench and BIOS, but it doesn't on CPU-Z and HWMonitor. Also, the performance speaks for itself.
The second one is the stock value when I reverted everything back (except the XMP Profiles, which I leave to on because it made the mobo reads the 3200mhz Memory).

Well. Seems like a really bad lottery. I guess.
 

[Jurrunio]

Then what does it say in CPUZ?

[zoarquenix]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Then what does it say in CPUZ?

On CPU-Z it says 2.2ghz. It downclocked from 3.5ghz after I set it to 3.8ghz.
Meanwhile revert back to stock, CPU-Z reads 3.5ghz.