Custom sleeved molex

[Arkery]

Hey guys I tried a forum search and didn't find anything on this, I just purchased a new nzxt s340 in the limited purple and id like to buy custom cables for my power supply. Maybe I suck at searching for this in general haha. If anyone could direct me to a site to get em or at least knows a site that sells black and purple/ blue and purple molex cables for my psu i would be eternally greatful!

 

[Airdragonz]

Cablemod custom configurator works great if shipping price isn't a concern. Ensourced Customs is also good if you don't mind a long processing time. 

[Arkery]

Cool thanks for the info, are the cables of good quality? How long it'l take doesn' concern me as long as it's built to last! 

[Airdragonz]

Both companies are really good quality. I personally used both in the past. 

[unknownmiscreant]

if you haven't already purchased. The top one still hasn't been taken, idk about the bottom one.

 

 

 

[CableMod]

@Arkery we offer blue and purple in both our ModFlex (paracord) and ModMesh (nylon) sleeving types alike. You can visit our configurator page to purchase cables individually here. If you need any help please email us at Support@CableMod.com as well.
 

https://store.cablemod.com/configurator/

[Revan654]

18 hours ago, Arkery said:

Cool thanks for the info, are the cables of good quality? How long it'l take doesn' concern me as long as it's built to last! 

No, there average at best. If you want cables that are going to last you going want hand made cables using Sleeving like MDPC-X. I suggest taking a look at Mod-One.com.

[CableMod]

@Arkery you can also join our Facebook group CableModders where people share photos of their builds and our cables - might help you get some inspiration as well.
 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/cablemodders/

 

Below is a photo of our cables in use by Envious Mods. Additionally if you ever had any issues you can always ask for help on our group or email our support for quick assistance and resolution.

[Revan654]

On 12/22/2017 at 7:14 AM, Arkery said:

Hey guys I tried a forum search and didn't find anything on this, I just purchased a new nzxt s340 in the limited purple and id like to buy custom cables for my power supply. Maybe I suck at searching for this in general haha. If anyone could direct me to a site to get em or at least knows a site that sells black and purple/ blue and purple molex cables for my psu i would be eternally greatful!

 

Still the best is cables you make your self, That way you know exactly what's being used when the cables are being made. It's why I created my own cables for my Build. I also used all Molex Branded terminals & connectors.

 

 

If you don't want to try your hand at it these are two biggest shops that use MDPC-X.

 

Shops:

 

https://www.singularitycomputers.com/product-category/custom-cable-builder/

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https://mod-one.com/custom-full-length-power-supply-cables/mdpc-x-sleeved-cables/

 

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I recently took apart CableMod cable and the sleeving on those cables are paper thin, I have no idea why CableMod would use such a thin type of sleeving. The same sleeving used for there Fan Cables are used for there 18 AWG wiring. Which is slightly below Paracord 95 or PET 1.5mm.

 

The wiring is a bit cheap, it's the stuff you get for .10 for every few feet. Terminals look to be unplated.

 

Sleeving is attached to the terminal instead of melted, which creates a weaker hold for the sleeving.

[MT. Mods]

Wouldn’t listen to the muppet above. Worlds top case modders all support cablemod, from peter brands all the way down to the smaller guys. 

Would take the advice of them over some nobody on a forum. 

 

Heres my cablemod cables in the photo. Thick, sexy and cheaper priced than the competition. 

 

Oh oh and I still use my white and black basic cablemod kit in my render rig, which I purchased 2 years ago. Have they fallen apart ? Nah, I’m not building a tree swing with them, so their still golden  

[HEGGA]

17 hours ago, Revan654 said:

No, there average at best. If you want cables that are going to last you going want hand made cables using Sleeving like MDPC-X. I suggest taking a look at Mod-One.com.

I always loved people that go around and throw "advises" about certain brands they most likely never used...

 

Unlike you I own multiple CableMod items, cables, extensions, led strips, sleeved power cables, thumbscrews... you name it

 

I will not go into argument with you whether manually sleeved cables are better because to perfect sleeving technique and to get to the beauty of CableMod cables, a person must spend shitload of material, time and nerves to get the job done properly. I know, I sleeved my own cables before I went out and bought them from CableMod.

 

Instead of further talking, I will just leave the picture of CableMod pro extensions here so OP can decide on his own whether to trust his eyes or your comments Oh yeah, in the background there is a nice view of CableMod Premium Cable Kit

[Exposal]

CableMod is the way to go. I've had their cables for a few years now and have been a part of the CableModders group. They stand behind their products and their customer service is top-notch. They're always coming out with new products too. I won a pair of their extensions and a pair of replacement cables, have had 0 issues and they look amazing.

 

[HEGGA]

7 hours ago, Revan654 said:

Maybe you should actually read my post, you clearly did not read it.

 

you clearly have no idea what your talking when it comes to sleeving either.

Actually I have read your post, and number of others where you are constantly trying to bash a quality product made by great company that cares about their customers for no REAL reason. "Issues" you are trying to present here are non issues...

 

You said that sleeving is paper thin... That is not true, See my picture.

 

You said that it is an issue that "sleeving is crimped instead of melted creating weaker hold for the sleeving." I am quite rough on my cables, why wouldn't I be? CableMod stands by their product and any lack on build quality should be a reason for warranty claim, which I KNOW they will honor. However, yet need to experience issues with sleeving. And to me, it seems you haven't experienced it either, you said you had to take apart the cable to see how it's made

 

Wiring is cheap? Errrrr... what? Do you have any evidence of this? Do you have any reason to think that wire used for cables is not up to standard? I am quite confident that whatever wire they use it is most likely better than what is used for cables that came with your PSU, and if wire thickness is an issue, it also moots the point of sleeving your own cables as you would be sleeving "cheap" wires As we are on LTT forums, let me remind us of this build...

 

 

If those cables were even close to cheap I am sure 7 gamers 1 PC would burst in flames with all the power it was drawing during the session. In the video you can also see how many cables you get in Premium Kit. I'll help you out, you are one 24-pin short of pretty much two full cable kits, and that is even if you have two GPUs in SLI

 

I don't think you could sleeve, let alone build from scratch, that many cables for price of 120$ (for more expensive ModMesh/PET option), even if you would use "paper thin" sleeving

 

And last, but not least... As you obviously skipped over what I said about sleeving... But I am not surprised, as it doesn't help your point much.

 

It is not unexpected that handsleeved cables can be better looking than factory made ones, and with high end materials they will even be better in quality. However, you missed to mention that these materials are expensive, and that person that is doing the sleeving for the first time will probably have substantial amount of scrapped sleeving as well as a lot of imperfections in the looks. Makes sense... they are inexperienced and their fingers are probably in pain after they sleeve their first 8-pin PCIe cable... which is just the beginning

 

Oh, one more thing... How long do you think it will take for a beginner to sleeve all their PSU cables? Do they stop using their computer until it's done?

 

I hope I will get some facts from your next reply, other than " you clearly have no idea what your talking when it comes to sleeving" as imo that is not an actual reply.

 

[unknownmiscreant]

I'm not really interested in having this argument about cablemod (or others, IDC) vs DIY. In fact, this feels like the millionth thread I've seen about it and they are all the same.

 

I should also say that I do not own any product made by cablemod, however have done alot of research into their products, and been very close to buying them. I tossed up the cablemod vs DIY option for over a week, and it was quite a sore subject for me at the time. I eventually decided to go DIY as I had a bad gut feeling about cable mod. I know they have great customer support, and I found alot of people saying they 'like their products.' But every review that commented about the quality of parts used did not have such nice things to say. This makes me very very nervous about a product. 

 

Another factor I should mention is that I have a huge amount of electronics, soldering tools etc. So I only accounted for the cost of raw materials.  It took me a 3 days from the point of unplugging my rig to replugging it in. (Including alot of time wasted chasing problems stemmed from me knocking the CPU cooler, causing some of the pins to not make contact.) All costs accounted for (shipping etc) I spent about 2/3 on custom cables what I would have spent on cablemod for the same cables. I bought high quality materials (all molex terminals and housings etc) as once you have used proper quality connectors, low quality stuff is absolute junk. I personally cannot stand them (and yes I have used alot of crap connectors in the past.)

 

The first few cables were a bit ho-hum, but I made sure to start with the out of sight ones, and got quite good quite fast. Although by the end my fingers were definitely sore, @HEGGA it is no where near as bad as you were making out. I was totally fine after the first 8-pin cable. All up I wasted under 1m of sleeving, and have a few longer offcuts (over 100mm) which I used for doing smaller runs like fan cables etc.

 

My results given it was my first attempt were pretty damn good. See pictures.

 

I will also say it is not for everyone. I had all the electronics gear possibly required to make sleeving easy before I even considered custom cables. This is not the case for all, and if you need to buy soldering irons, wire cutters and strippers etc. The economics changes very fast. I have good quality tools, as electronics my job and hobby, however from what little I have done with crap tools (usually a single wire or two) an entire custom sleeved cable kit would have been unbearable. All up I probably used $1000 worth of tools over the 3 days.

 

There are also benefits to making your own cables. You get exactly what you want, (whilst the cable mod configurator is good, its options are still limiting) compared to what you get with DIY. You can use proper molex terminals and housings which mate really easily compared to OEM stuff like on some bitfenix extensions I had and the stock EVGA cables. Your choice of sleeving is infinite etc. The melted sleeving I made is a fair bit better than the crimped sl;eeving on the bitfenix extensions. Ik this, as one of the waire repeatedly falls out, due to low quality terminals and housings. I really don't feel the need to continue this list.

 

Bottom line, IMO there is benefits to both. Its kinds like the mac vs windows debate. Its very easy to find alot of people saying they 'like' some product/company or other. However in my experience they are rarely worth listening to, and products I have bought from such recommendations/reviews (the kind that just tell you about the features of a product without any real analysis) I have almost universally found to be junk. I find a much more accurate information can be obtained by listening to those who actually take stuff apart, and comment on the materials and how its made. I have yet to purchase a product based on such reviews and find it to be junk.

 

IMO, cablemod cables are built to a price, and whilst they have done a good job of it, what you don't pay for in $$/time you pay for in quality. They are a company I respect (cbf listing why, this is already an essay,) but will likely never buy stuff from due to the relatively poor value of it compared to DIY alternatives in my case.

12 hours ago, HEGGA said:

If those cables were even close to cheap I am sure 7 gamers 1 PC would burst in flames with all the power it was drawing during the session.

This statement is ludicrous, and just plain wrong. The system drew a huge amount of power from the wall, but it was used by 2x CPUs and 7x GPUs or something crazy. This means each wire is not carrying any more current than in a more 'normal' rig, as each CPU has a EPS cable and each GPU has a PCIe cable. There will be slightly more loading on the 24-pin cable, but not much current is drawn via that anyway. 

 

@Revan654You have been promoting custom sleeving alot recently, its almost gotten to the point where I suspect you are making some sort of financial gain from custom sleeving. Although I suspect not. Whilst there are people who get good results from custom sleeving (yours being some of the best I have seen,) and being informed that it exists, those with the time, equipment and 'know how' are fairly few and far between (especially here). As everyone does, you only promote the 'good' sides of it, and ignore the time aspect, same as everyone else who promotes cablemod ignores the fact that they are built to a price and this is reflected in the materials and manufacturing process.

[HEGGA]

Biggest issue for most people, which people that are promoting sleeving their own cables mention, is that lack of proper tools would make life miserable for anybody that tries to do it. I am glad you mention that @unknownmiscreant

 

What they also don't meantion is that by "sleeving your own cables" They mean building your cables from scratch. When you only sleeve your cables, you are still using same terminals and wires which came with your PSU. You are not getting "high quality" parts mentioned as a main point, and the most important tool itself, a good quality crimper, cost around 40-50 euros (almost half the price of the full cable kit with more cables anybody will need)

 

Yes, you can get cheap crimper off ebay or aliexpress but for $20 you can get a good one or one where you will have to fix every crimp... Results may vary Most people that decide to make he cables for themselves will try to cheap out on tools, thinking they don't need the professional quality as they will do it once or twice... and usually they will make a mistake...

 

CableMod might not use the best parts out there but they sure don't use the cheapest parts either. Take any good quality PSU from Corsair, EVGA or SeaSonic and you will confirm they don't use premium parts. Are they crap? No they are not, far from it... and they are most likely oveerkill for what they do. Well, unless you try to compare them with cables made of premium parts.

 

CableMod does not use the most expensive parts but they do make good quality product and their cables do use parts that are better than stock cables. They might not be up to your high standards but you sure can't call them crap... You can actually, but that simply wouldn't be true

 

You are right about my "bursting in flames comment" but that was an overblown statement, not something I've meant it would actually happen. However, it is true that inadequate wires could get hot and in extreme situations can create a fire. Regardless of my statement, low quality wiring, crimps and/or pins could cause power delivery issues which in a build as complex as this one would surely introduce system instability, which does not seem to be the case.

 

What I do appreciate is that somebody that really understand all the pros and cons of this decided to provide neutral point of view on this topic, so thank you.

[unknownmiscreant]

@HEGGAI got sick of reading yet another thread of people arguing about DIY vs cablemod. Both of you had valid points, yet failed to sum up the pros and cons of each. It would help if people actually stated things they found about the product in recommendations, rather than "I bought X and its great." Its why I don't generally recommend a specific product, and hence try point people towards a range, and provide some pros and cons of a product I have bought. This is the 2nd time I have told you about this @Revan654, and I have seen a couple of threads very like this one in the interim. Start being more upfront about the tools and skills required for custom cable creation.

 

Nice tools make everything easier. To quote the youtube channel AvE "You either cry when you buy the tool, or every time you use the tool." I always choose the former, or make do with what I have got. My strippers, wire cutters and multi meter are some of the best I can find, probably why I didn't find custom cable building too objectionable. In fact, I generally end up replacing my wire cutters every year or two as I wear them out.

 

I actually didn't use a crimp tool for my cables. I used a pair of needle nose pliers. I got quite good at doing the terminals, and the melted sleeving held the terminal onto the cable. I have had no issues with them. $20 crimptools are pretty 'craptacular' I generally look to spend $100 or so, or just to get some more crimp dies for a tool I already own. There are places where you can buy housings and pre-terminated cables, but by the time you add up the cost of that, I would guess its the same price as cablemod (maybe more, idk, I've never looked into it.)

 

The stock EVGA cables I have are around on par with the bitfenix extensions I have and I would also guess cablemod. I actually ended up using the stock housings from my EVGA cables for my custom PCIe cables, as I messed up the ordering, and the housings were wrong. Even with molex terminals they do not mate as nicely as the cables with molex housings. I would agree they aren't crap, and get the job done perfectly fine, (I mean who goes around plugging and unplugging their cables every day ). However the quality could definitely be improved. In fact, I would prefer to buy a PSU that didn't come with any stock cables and had 1:1 pinouts, so I could make 1:1 custom cables for everything. Preferably it would also have an external connector for a UPS to avoid double conversion on backup power, but thats another gripe .

 

Sleeving stock cables is a no-no, around the time I was building my own cables there was another member (on here actually) who was sleeving stock EVGA cables. The result wasn't as good, due to double wires and capacitors etc. They didn't manage to get the sleeving stretched out as tightly or evenly as me, and tbh, the capacitors looked like a turd. I can try dig up the thread if you want.

 

Your comments about power delivery do have merit. Whilst in the most extreme case it can cause instability, or even a fire, you need to be drawing well over 300w over a daisy chained dual 8-pin PCIe cable with poor airflow before this really becomes an issue. I think overclocked Vega is the only GPU that can do this. Overclocking Skylake X (600w or so) is also a pretty big ask for power cables tbh, but for anything serious, you would have dual 8-pin, so 300w per cable, or 6.25A per conductor. Alot yes, but 16AWG will be able to handle it.

 

Theres also some finer points about poor quality PSU cables and nivida graphics cards (particularly the 10xx series.) The cards power limits are enforced by current measurement on the PCIe power connectors and PCIe slot 12V supply. The voltage is assumed to be 12v and is not measured. This means if there is 1-2v loss in the cables (wayy too much ik ), you will get less power supplied to the GPU core compared to if the same current was supplied at the full 12v. Theres a JayzTwoCents video that shows a small performance drop when using a daisy chained cable vs two separate cables. Theres also a buildzoid video (ramble) that talks about how this affects the Nvidia cards and the same testing done on Vega rather than Pascal.

 

 

[CableMod]

@Revan654 I've offered replacements to you for any issues you had experienced previously but never received an email from you. The offer still stands of course - please email me at Matt@CableMod.com and I can get it arranged.

[unknownmiscreant]

@Revan654 Cablemod cables are built to a price, they are the cheapest option (as far as I know) this price is reflected in the materials and build quality. 18AWG is not great for power delivery, but if you are not overclocking to the max, you are unlikely to exceed safe limits. If my memory serves me correctly, I think 18AWG is the ATX specification. 16AWG is a much better choice for modern high end (overclocked?) hardware however. But yet, some PSUs still come with 18AWG cables. 

 

The rest of the 'corner cuts' will not be an issue for most users. As most people are not that rough with cables, (copper actually work hardens, so being rough with any cable is a bad idea) and they will only be mated a handful of times during assembly and maintenance. As for the sleeving thickness and terminal and housings, its not really an issue for most users. How many people would be prepared to pay for better quality parts? I don't think many. However its all reasons why I chose to make my own cables.

 

Bottom line, if you costed the time it took you to assemble your cables they would wind up more expensive than cable mod. Assuming you get paid a fairly meagre wage of $10 per hour, you can add at least $60 to your costing.

 

Also, please do not go around saying $20 crimp tools are good. If you choose right, you may get away with it, but a much better tool can generally be bought. I generally either buy a proper tool or use pliers. Crap tools make your life misery, as they either take a huge amount of time to use, or cause problems later on. I have not had a single terminal fall off any of my custom sleeved cables which all got done with pliers. I had one that fell off immediately, as I messed up the crimp, but the rest stayed put really well and have done for 5 months or something now.

 

Does your $50 budget also include wire cutters, strippers, soldering iron, sponge and solder? Also, please do not suggest a cheap plier type wire stripper. They are not suited for 1 piece of cable, let alone an entire custom sleeving job, you will want to jump off a bridge by the end. In fact I would rather use wire strippers, but I have had a huge amount of practice at that. I think I did 7 years of stripping with side cutters before I got a proper strip tool.

 

When I did a cost comparison, all the parts (shipped to my door) would up around 2/3 the total I would spend at cable mod to get the same cables shipped to my door. That was also excluding my time and all the tools I used. Also, you failed to mention how to test the cables at the end. I remember you were very scathing of me when I used a multimeter and old system for testing, then had non cable related post issues on my main system, harking on about PSU testers that cost around $100.

 

The other major point to remember, is that cablemod is convenient. If you do not have a clue about where to start cable sleeving, its a very compelling option imo. Its very like the RGB common cathode/annode conversion you were asking about the other day.

[TheRandomness]

-Thread mostly cleaned. Please calm down, people, and stick to the original thread's issue.

[3 Lions]

On 22/12/2017 at 12:14 PM, Arkery said:

black and purple/ blue and purple molex cables

There is a British company that makes custom PSU cables and ships worldwide.

https://pexonpcs.co.uk/collections/pc-cables/products/molex-power-psu-cable

 

I know it shows purple and white but there is a box that says 'Let us know what MDPC-X Colours you desire' just type in what you want, personally I'd go with purple on the outsides like stock but go blue and black or black or blue on the two inside cables. Another plus going with Pexon is that the individual part is much cheaper than CableMod (£10.00 or 13.00 USD) obviously if you are buying from another country you'd have to pay shipping but it's still cheaper than CableMod and you get the same or even better quality than a CableMod counterpart. 

[Cyberspirit]

On 2017. 12. 24. at 2:12 AM, MT. Mods said:

Wouldn’t listen to the muppet above. Worlds top case modders all support cablemod, from peter brands all the way down to the smaller guys. 

Would take the advice of them over some nobody on a forum. 

 

Heres my cablemod cables in the photo. Thick, sexy and cheaper priced than the competition. 

 

Oh oh and I still use my white and black basic cablemod kit in my render rig, which I purchased 2 years ago. Have they fallen apart ? Nah, I’m not building a tree swing with them, so their still golden  

Man, that looks amazing did you use UV light strips?

[CableMod]

@Cyberspirit CableMod RGB/UV Hybrid LEDs.